Nintendo should just make a powerful console.

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Why do we give Nintendo a pass for not making a powerful console like Sony and Microsoft? Why do we let them be different for the sake of being different? A triangular wheel is different, but that doesn't make it useful.

If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console. It's as simple as that.
 

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Why is this needed? The Switch is one of the most popular consoles on the market.

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We give them a pass because they're not trying to make the biggest most powerful console, they're looking to do their own thing and leave the epeen measuring to Sony and Microsoft.
 

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VG_Addict said:
If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console. It's as simple as that.
No they don't. Overwatch just released on the Switch, and it works just fine.
 

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Nintendo's handhelds have always done very well for them and are an essentially uncontested market; Sony tried to compete a couple of times and made a mess of it on both occasions. The Switch is an extremely savvy bit of design which is at the perfect compromise point between something that's small enough for people to carry round while still having enough hardware oomph to look nice when hooked up to a TV. With it, Nintendo don't need to worry about competing with Sony, Microsoft, or the PC market; instead, they can sell Switches to people who already own one of their (non) competitor's machines. I have a PC. I don't need a Playstation or Xbox, and at the moment I can't foresee any circumstances in which I'll go back to playing games on console instead of PC. A Nintendo handheld, though, can do things my PC can't, and while the Switch is a bit out of my price range at present, I will probably pick one up one day.
 

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Au contraire- Nintendo should stop hardware development altogether and focus 100% on making games!

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VG_Addict said:
Why do we give Nintendo a pass for not making a powerful console like Sony and Microsoft? Why do we let them be different for the sake of being different? A triangular wheel is different, but that doesn't make it useful.

If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console. It's as simple as that.
Here's the thing. What do they really have to gain by directly competing with the other big two? Nothing. They'll have to spend tons of money, sell the console either at a prohibitive price like the others or take a big loss on each unit sold.

For what? The chance that MAYBE, they might possibly overthrow one of the other two and be the dominant console? Or maybe they'll just fail and not get as many of their games into people's hands as they'd like and the generation will be a "Waste" for them. That's a big gamble to take.

Instead they've focused on their two strengths. Innovation (Ie, doing something wild to get attention, and trying to do that wild thing WELL. Sometimes mixed results like the WiiU, sometimes killer bank like the Switch), and the power of their IPs. They know that as long as their system is reasonably strong, and that they pump out enough quality games, AND that the price is in the ballpark of reasonable, people WILL pick up their console as a secondary option, so they can have that sweet sweet Zelda/Smash/Mario/etc action as well as the "big" games on other consoles.

Nintendo knows the business better than anybody. If they've decided that direct competition isn't the best idea, I'd be inclined to trust them (although they ARE very slow to adapt, for better and for worse).

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Nintendo's handhelds have always done very well for them and are an essentially uncontested market;
Also this. They're the kings of quality handheld gaming. Leveraging that niche is wise for them, especially with the Switch being a hybrid.

The Switch is an extremely savvy bit of design which is at the perfect compromise point between something that's small enough for people to carry round while still having enough hardware oomph to look nice when hooked up to a TV.
Ah, there it is. Man do I love the system. :p It's such a smart idea.

I have a PC. I don't need a Playstation or Xbox, and at the moment I can't foresee any circumstances in which I'll go back to playing games on console instead of PC. A Nintendo handheld, though, can do things my PC can't
Exactly this.

Most of the big games from other companies come to PC eventually, where I can mod them, or get them on sale, or any number of PC-only perks (up to and including total freedom of controls, I can use the mouse or basically any controller as I please). Nintendo games, however, don't leave Nintendo consoles, outside of illicit means. Also, Having Slay The Spire or Fire Emblem, or Stardew Valley or Smash be playable on the bus is legit awesome. :p

To conclude: The Hare mocked the Tortoise at it's peril. Especially here. Because I've SEEN the Nintendo Tortoise. He's massive, has spikes on his shell, breathes goddamn fire, and even when he goes down, it's never for long. I'm puttin' my money on him in the long run. Seems only prudent.
 

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The Eupho Guy said:
We give them a pass because they're not trying to make the biggest most powerful console, they're looking to do their own thing and leave the epeen measuring to Sony and Microsoft.
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Here's the thing. What do they really have to gain by directly competing with the other big two? Nothing. They'll have to spend tons of money, sell the console either at a prohibitive price like the others or take a big loss on each unit sold.
Sony and Microsoft aren't trying to make the most powerful piece of hardware, they're using cheap AMD mobile chips. All it takes to play games on PC is a $100 Ryzen with integrated graphics. Sure, they're gonna market the specs as "most powerful" but neither are using cutting-edge tech, they just using the most powerful cheap and readily available chipset.

PS4s were profitable at launch [https://www.geek.com/games/sony-says-the-ps4-hardware-is-already-profitable-1594697/]. Tech is cheap enough that there's no reason to sell consoles at a loss anymore. Even 1TB SDDs are under $100 and next-gen is going to SSDs.

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VG_Addict said:
If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console. It's as simple as that.
No they don't. Overwatch just released on the Switch, and it works just fine.
What about the 100s of other major releases that aren't?

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A Nintendo handheld, though, can do things my PC can't, and while the Switch is a bit out of my price range at present, I will probably pick one up one day.
An $80 phone already has a better game library than the Switch + you can use Steam to stream your PC game library to your phone.

Outside of being a Nintendo game "converter", what does the Switch actually do?
 

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VG_Addict said:
Why do we give Nintendo a pass for not making a powerful console like Sony and Microsoft? Why do we let them be different for the sake of being different? A triangular wheel is different, but that doesn't make it useful.

If Nintendo wants to get third party support, they need to make a powerful console. It's as simple as that.
They will make a powerful console again when it is cheap enough for them to do it, so roughly 3-4 years after the PS5's launch.
 

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Because.. so many people are.... asking for a powerful console from Nintendo?

I don't really get your issue; People like the Switch, it's selling well, the games on it are generally praised, and I can't say there's a sentiment among the gaming public that these games run like shit because lack of power. Yeah sure, they could always run better, and if the Switch had a.. switch on it that made it 10 times stronger everyone would flip it, but nobody is really craving for Nintendo to finally get buff.

And why would Nintendo even need third-party support now when they're drowning in a ocean of indies? Seriously, being a handheld the Switch is, like, the most insane indie machine right now. I think they're good for third-party support.
 

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I have a better question.

Why does this conversation keep getting brought up?

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An $80 phone already has a better game library than the Switch + you can use Steam to stream your PC game library to your phone.
This conversation has been had, as well. A bunch of quick, cheap flips of board and card games to digital doesn't qualify as a gaming library to anybody without a myopic view of videogaming.
 

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Nintendo don't compete on hardware power because they don't need to. Their first-party games are the main draw for their consoles, and it's been like that for a long time. As mentioned above, the Switch also has a lot of indie games, and most of the people I know would rather play those than have yet another machine that has the new Call of Duty.

For better or worse, Nintendo's never been one to follow industry trends, and right now, that's for the better.
 

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OT: Because power isn't everything. Design trumps raw power 9 times out of 10, and Nintendo have famously strong in-house design.

They lag behind in third-party support, but even there the Switch has improved hugely on the previous console.

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An $80 phone already has a better game library than the Switch + you can use Steam to stream your PC game library to your phone.
This is hilarious nonsense. The mobile market is a saturated wasteland of hyper-monitized simplistic puzzle games and low-cost, low-effort nonentities. It's a market where the very worst game industry practices are in complete overdrive. It lacks even a tiny fraction of the design that any of the big 3 (or the PC market) have.

And the ability to stream games from Steam, so that I can enjoy them with a shoddy, limited control scheme and a minuscule screen on my phone, is not attractive in the slightest. I've literally never seen anyone do that, ever, whereas I see people play the Switch on train journeys etc.
 

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leet_x1337 said:


Nintendo don't compete on hardware power because they don't need to. Their first-party games are the main draw for their consoles, and it's been like that for a long time. As mentioned above, the Switch also has a lot of indie games, and most of the people I know would rather play those than have yet another machine that has the new Call of Duty.

For better or worse, Nintendo's never been one to follow industry trends, and right now, that's for the better.
Agreed to all. Didn't we do this thread two months ago?

SupahEwok said:
I have a better question.

Why does this conversation keep getting brought up?

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An $80 phone already has a better game library than the Switch + you can use Steam to stream your PC game library to your phone.
This conversation has been had, as well. A bunch of quick, cheap flips of board and card games to digital doesn't qualify as a gaming library to anybody without a myopic view of videogaming.

TRUTH.
 

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Why? Nintendo's marched to its own drum since the N64. Hasn't always worked, but it's working at this point in time.

I'd much rather Nintendo become a third party developer, but that's another issue.
 

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Hawki said:
I'd much rather Nintendo become a third party developer, but that's another issue.
Fuck that shit! I actually like having Nintendo around, despite their own sets of problems. They still make creative and unique games. They don't always hit the mark, but their games are still fun. I still play Donkey Kong tropical freeze. It and Rayman Legends are the best 2D platformers of the 2010s. Besides, that's never going to happen. They messed up with the Wii u, but they have enough money to last them for over 40 years. Because of the success of the Switch, that number has now tripled.
 

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The N64 was actually the most powerful console on the market at the time, just with limited memory compared to disc storage. It also lost the console ?race? by a considerable margin.

It was also the last time I really cared about owning a Nintendo console, although I did buy a Wi for the gf and her family back then. The hardware is a secondary issue; what matters to me most is how developers are able to utilize it. The N64 revolutionized 3D gaming, but Nintendo went in a different direction ever since everyone else caught up. Apparently it?s worked for them pretty well, but with their current focus I probably won?t care again until my kid is old enough to.
 

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Because.. so many people are.... asking for a powerful console from Nintendo?

I don't really get your issue; People like the Switch, it's selling well, the games on it are generally praised, and I can't say there's a sentiment among the gaming public that these games run like shit because lack of power. Yeah sure, they could always run better, and if the Switch had a.. switch on it that made it 10 times stronger everyone would flip it, but nobody is really craving for Nintendo to finally get buff.

And why would Nintendo even need third-party support now when they're drowning in a ocean of indies? Seriously, being a handheld the Switch is, like, the most insane indie machine right now. I think they're good for third-party support.
Nintendo needs to get the big third party games, not a bunch of indie games nobody but hipsters care about.