Nintendo Switch....DOA

[irish286]

If you mean the Pro Controller, it's $50 but no, the Gamepad itself has traditional controls too. It has extra but the traditional controls are still there and can be used. I still use the D-Pad often for games designed for the D-Pad like NES and SNES VC games. Don't you?

No, because I didn't buy a Wii U. And the pro controller was $60 when it first came out with very few games that supported it. While the traditional controls are on the tablet it's still unwieldy for virtually no reason other than to accommodate the gimmicky second screen no third parties wanted to deal with.

I want to nail this down. Are you saying that developers could have ported PS4/Xbox One games to the Wii U easily if it weren't for the second screen because the Wii U graphics chip could down scale automatically. Is that really your argument?

You really need to work on your reading comprehension. What part about "the switch isn't that much less powerful" and "graphics cards now natively downscale automatically" didn't you understand? Are you really trying to claim the Wii U is as powerful as the Switch?

This seems to contradict what you say above.[/quote]
No, it contradicts your intentional misinterpretation. It's obvious you're just looking for a reason to hate the Switch.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

What's the difference between the new X-box and Playstation systems and the current ones?

Not much beyond more power. But then the Playstation and Xbox didn't have any real trouble appealing to a large demographic, the Wii-U did. We can talk about how modern consoles are just shitty PCs til the cows come home, but they're still extremely popular.

The Wii-U obviously showed Nintendo has a problem to solve, and I don't see the Switch as a succesful answer to it. Not even so much because of the device itself, though the lack of power will again scare off third-parties, meaning less diverse line-up.

Something really different was needed here, something akin to the Wii, and the Switch did not deliver this.

Well we can't say that yet, it isn't even out, but you do make a good point. I guess my perspective on all this is more for the long term and I can't see consoles being able to keep going for another decade unless someone makes a big change to them that gives them something that you can't get with a PC.

 

[WeepingAngels]

No, because I didn't buy a Wii U. And the pro controller was $60 when it first came out with very few games that supported it. While the traditional controls are on the tablet it's still unwieldy for virtually no reason other than to accommodate the gimmicky second screen no third parties wanted to deal with.

Uh, you didn't buy a Wii U. I do hope that you put many hours into playing someone else's Wii U using the Gamepad before you tell me how uncomfortable it is.

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

All I have to do is quote you. Look, I'll even screencap it. I can't make this any more easy for you. A puppet show maybe.

positive reviews that have also been saying the game controls horribly.
maybe you should actually listen to the actual words reviews say and not focus solely on the review scores

Please record a puppet show. I've love to see it

I could use the combined didactic powers of Dora, Clifford the Big Red Dog and the whole Teletubby troupe and still I fear the basic concept of two contradictory truths would elude him.

 

[irish286]

No, because I didn't buy a Wii U. And the pro controller was $60 when it first came out with very few games that supported it. While the traditional controls are on the tablet it's still unwieldy for virtually no reason other than to accommodate the gimmicky second screen no third parties wanted to deal with.

Uh, you didn't buy a Wii U. I do hope that you put many hours into playing someone else's Wii U using the Gamepad before you tell me how uncomfortable it is.

I didn't need hours trying it before I decided I didn't like it. I also didn't need hours playing it to listen to customers that bought it complain about it. The Wii U was drastically underpowered and had a wonky controller. Which lead to no support. Which lead to no one buying it. The Switch is only slightly underpowered and has normal controls when using the comfort grip.

 

[Kameburger]

So....after zelda and mario release what next?? Another mario and zelda two years later?

I'm sorry but I fail to understand how anyone can defend nintendo at this point they appear to have learnt nothing from the wiiu If anything it's worse this than that. Why do they continue to misread the market and chase a casual audience that doesn't exist anymore.

Oh and as for the whole 'it's OK if Sony Microsoft to charge for online. ' they are established good service providing free games, some aaa and not one thirty year old 8-16 bit game a month.

I think it's still a little to early to tell, but I think Nintendo has always aimed for people who want something different out of their gaming devices than what Sony or Microsoft has offered.

I think for instance you could look at this and say hey, I can play multiplayer games basically out of the box because it comes with two controllers. It clearly has local multiplayer which seems to be all but dead on other consoles except for with fighting games. The controllers look like they were designed for people who haven't really followed the evolution of controllers for the last 25 years, and in that sense I think it touches a farther reaching and broader demographic. The games look like classic Nintendo games, which should appeal to classic Nintendo fans.

I mean I think I'd prefer for Nintendo to just be different. Nintendo games on the WiiU for what its worth almost always ran at 60 FPS even if they were graphically inferior which speaks volumes about their priorities. And I think in general the games on the console had great presentation. if that continues I don't really see how this could be a terrible thing.

I hate to be rude here but it sounds like this console wasn't gonna please you anyway. But what would you want it to replace in your collection if it did meet your expectations? What is your ideal Nintendo Console?

 

[Fonejackerjon]

So....after zelda and mario release what next?? Another mario and zelda two years later?

I'm sorry but I fail to understand how anyone can defend nintendo at this point they appear to have learnt nothing from the wiiu If anything it's worse this than that. Why do they continue to misread the market and chase a casual audience that doesn't exist anymore.

Oh and as for the whole 'it's OK if Sony Microsoft to charge for online. ' they are established good service providing free games, some aaa and not one thirty year old 8-16 bit game a month.

I think it's still a little to early to tell, but I think Nintendo has always aimed for people who want something different out of their gaming devices than what Sony or Microsoft has offered.

I think for instance you could look at this and say hey, I can play multiplayer games basically out of the box because it comes with two controllers. It clearly has local multiplayer which seems to be all but dead on other consoles except for with fighting games. The controllers look like they were designed for people who haven't really followed the evolution of controllers for the last 25 years, and in that sense I think it touches a farther reaching and broader demographic. The games look like classic Nintendo games, which should appeal to classic Nintendo fans.

I mean I think I'd prefer for Nintendo to just be different. Nintendo games on the WiiU for what its worth almost always ran at 60 FPS even if they were graphically inferior which speaks volumes about their priorities. And I think in general the games on the console had great presentation. if that continues I don't really see how this could be a terrible thing.

I hate to be rude here but it sounds like this console wasn't gonna please you anyway. But what would you want it to replace in your collection if it did meet your expectations? What is your ideal Nintendo Console?

Very simply...Nintendo to produce a standard high power console, reasonable price and get those supposed intelligent Nintendo software designers to come up with some original games and original characters and not recycle the same games generation after generation after generation, Zelda BOTW doesnt look that great, it looks like a late PS2 game. Whatever happened to that high end Zelda game that was teased on the original WiiU launch video? How can anyone trust Nintendo when they lied about that? That Zelda looked amazing, but it was vapourware.

 

[Yoshi178]

come up with some original games and original characters and not recycle the same games generation after generation after generation.

Splatoon and ARMS aren't new enough IP's for you?

 

[totheendofsin]

Very simply...Nintendo to produce a standard high power console

I'd bet money if they did that people like you would be saying "Why should I get this when I already have a ps4/xbone/pc?" so that's a no win situation for them

get those supposed intelligent Nintendo software designers to come up with some original games and original characters and not recycle the same games generation after generation after generation

ok, here's the statement that got me to comment here because this is a criticism I see all the time thrown at nintendo, you know who I never see it thrown at, Blizzard, do you know what Blizzard's last fully original ip was before Overwatch was? (as in not a sequel, spin off, or crossover title) Starcraft. Granted Blizzard isn't a console manufacturer but still, 18 years before they came up with something new. Meanwhile Nintendo puts out at least 1 major new IP every console generation in addition to a ton of smaller IP on the eshop, the idea that nintendo just recycles the same characters over and over again is a lie

Zelda BOTW doesnt look that great, it looks like a late PS2 game. Whatever happened to that high end Zelda game that was teased on the original WiiU launch video? How can anyone trust Nintendo when they lied about that? That Zelda looked amazing, but it was vapourware.

if you think it looks like a PS2 game than I honestly don't know what to tell you

 

[Yoshi178]

Very simply...Nintendo to produce a standard high power console

I'd bet money if they did that people like you would be saying "Why should I get this when I already have a ps4/xbone/pc?" so that's a no win situation for them

get those supposed intelligent Nintendo software designers to come up with some original games and original characters and not recycle the same games generation after generation after generation

ok, here's the statement that got me to comment here because this is a criticism I see all the time thrown at nintendo, you know who I never see it thrown at, Blizzard, do you know what Blizzard's last fully original ip was before Overwatch was? (as in not a sequel, spin off, or crossover title) Starcraft. Granted Blizzard isn't a console manufacturer but still, 18 years before they came up with something new. Meanwhile Nintendo puts out at least 1 major new IP every console generation in addition to a ton of smaller IP on the eshop, the idea that nintendo just recycles the same characters over and over again is a lie

Zelda BOTW doesnt look that great, it looks like a late PS2 game. Whatever happened to that high end Zelda game that was teased on the original WiiU launch video? How can anyone trust Nintendo when they lied about that? That Zelda looked amazing, but it was vapourware.

if you think it looks like a PS2 game than I honestly don't know what to tell you

you.

i like you.

 

[WeepingAngels]

No, because I didn't buy a Wii U. And the pro controller was $60 when it first came out with very few games that supported it. While the traditional controls are on the tablet it's still unwieldy for virtually no reason other than to accommodate the gimmicky second screen no third parties wanted to deal with.

Uh, you didn't buy a Wii U. I do hope that you put many hours into playing someone else's Wii U using the Gamepad before you tell me how uncomfortable it is.

I didn't need hours trying it before I decided I didn't like it. I also didn't need hours playing it to listen to customers that bought it complain about it. The Wii U was drastically underpowered and had a wonky controller. Which lead to no support. Which lead to no one buying it. The Switch is only slightly underpowered and has normal controls when using the comfort grip.

Whatever you say. I think I'll just go play my Wii U and think of how uncomfortable the Gamepad should be because irish286 said so. Maybe if I try hard enough, my hands will start to cramp up like they are 'supposed to' (yet never have before) using the Gamepad.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Zelda BOTW doesnt look that great, it looks like a late PS2 game.

It's just the art style that makes it look bad. I expect it won't take long to adjust to once you are playing it.

Whatever happened to that high end Zelda game that was teased on the original WiiU launch video? How can anyone trust Nintendo when they lied about that? That Zelda looked amazing, but it was vapourware.

Nintendo likes to play around with art styles. I remember the backlash of the art style used in Wind Waker, when people played it though, it easily became one of their favorite Zelda games. Nintendo had teased a more realistic art style prior to Wind Waker too and it just a tech demo. They did make Twilight Princess with that more realistic art style. It looked good but do all Zelda games need to look realistic? Do all games need to look like real life?

 

[RaikuFA]

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

And seriously, paywalls behind consoles aren't new.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

Well, it's also less powerful than two other home consoles that are the same price, that also have a larger library, and that you can pick up with a bundled game, and where the controllers are cheaper, and where the monthly free games included with a subscription you actually get to keep.

It's not just less graphics, it's when compared to the competition there's little if anything for the Switch to brag about. With free online gaming having been scratched off the list now, too. It's handheld so I suppose it can brag about that for about the 3 hours of battery charge it has.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Oh no, a $300 console is less powerful than a $800 computer that requires a new graphics card every 4 months. Whatever shall I do?

Well, it's also less powerful than two other home consoles that are the same price, that also have a larger library, and that you can pick up with a bundled game, and where the controllers are cheaper, and where the monthly free games included with a subscription you actually get to keep.

Sure, but I can't take the PS4 on a car ride.

Oh, and I still haven't found a compelling reason to own more than one controller for my PS4.

It's not just less graphics, it's when compared to the competition there's little if anything for the Switch to brag about. With free online gaming having been scratched off the list now, too. It's handheld so I suppose it can brag about that for about the 3 hours of battery charge it has.

The battery life thing doesn't bother me. I'll just borrow one of my roommates half-dozen portable batteries he got when Pokemon Go was wrecking his phone.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Well, it's also less powerful than two other home consoles that are the same price, that also have a larger library, and that you can pick up with a bundled game, and where the controllers are cheaper, and where the monthly free games included with a subscription you actually get to keep.

Sure, but I can't take the PS4 on a car ride.

Okay, but is that the only thing it has over the PS4 and Xbox One? Because I'll be honest, I can live without that. I don't take that many car (or other transportation) rides, and certainly not ones that last long enough for me to wanna pull out a gaming device.

It's a home console on the go, but it's still a home console and is being marketed as such. And when compared to the competion in the same field it falls very short.

Oh, and I still haven't found a compelling reason to own more than one controller for my PS4.

Me neither, but if I have to buy a new one because my old one broke down I know I won't have to pay 80 dollars for it. And this is just me making a wild guess, but the reaction of the average consumer that doesn't know or care about the tech that's inside the joycon is going to look at that 50 dollar price tag for a little, plastic looking toy and laugh.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Okay, but is that the only thing it has over the PS4 and Xbox One? Because I'll be honest, I can live without that. I don't take that many car (or other transportation) rides, and certainly not ones that last long enough for me to wanna pull out a gaming device.

It's a home console on the go, but it's still a home console and is being marketed as such. And when compared to the competion in the same field it falls very short.

Ever think that maybe this console isn't being marketed to you?

Me neither, but if I have to buy a new one because my old one broke down I know I won't have to pay 80 dollars for it. And this is just me making a wild guess, but the reaction of the average consumer that doesn't know or care about the tech that's inside the joycon is going to look at that 50 dollar price tag for a little, plastic looking toy and laugh.

Eh, decent chance you'll still be able to play whatever game with just one joycon.

Far as the price goes, a PS4 controller still costs the same as a AAA title, and the joycon pack is like buying two wiimotes, so...

*shrug* Guess I don't see the problem. If anything, I could claim the Switch supports two player local co-op out if the box for most titles.

 

[RaikuFA]

Oh, and I still haven't found a compelling reason to own more than one controller for my PS4.

My only thinking would be getting a charging station and a 2nd controller to charge because those have a bad battery life. Also they're more expensive than a PS4 game.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Ever think that maybe this console isn't being marketed to you?

You could make the same arguement for the Wii-U; It's just a console that isn't marketed to gamers like me. But I fear it's the gamers like me Nintendo needs to grab, because the Wii-U showed that the hardcore fans aren't enough, and that Wii audience is forever gone.

Eh, decent chance you'll still be able to play whatever game with just one joycon.

That doesn't inspire me with much confidence.

Far as the price goes, a PS4 controller still costs the same as a AAA title, and the joycon pack is like buying two wiimotes, so...

*shrug* Guess I don't see the problem. If anything, I could claim the Switch supports two player local co-op out if the box for most titles.

Yes, and the PS4 controller is already an expensive piece of hardware, but atleast it feels like you're buying a nice, sold controller, not two little slips of plastic for 80 bucks.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

You could make the same arguement for the Wii-U; It's just a console that isn't marketed to gamers like me. But I fear it's the gamers like me Nintendo needs to grab, because the Wii-U showed that the hardcore fans aren't enough, and that Wii audience is forever gone.

It was also marketed poorly. Like, "why would I buy this $300 Wii peripheral" poorly. Having a 3rd party heavy launch lineup where your pledged 3rd parties back out at the last minute didn't help either.

Far as the price goes, a PS4 controller still costs the same as a AAA title, and the joycon pack is like buying two wiimotes, so...

*shrug* Guess I don't see the problem. If anything, I could claim the Switch supports two player local co-op out if the box for most titles.

Yes, and the PS4 controller is already an expensive piece of hardware, but atleast it feels like you're buying a nice, sold controller, not two little slips of plastic for 80 bucks.

If you say so. I felt the Wiimote was pretty sturdy while I have to encase the PS4 controller in some NERF plastic to feel like I'm not going to break the damn thing.