Nintendo Wants Wii U The "Preferred" Console for Hardcore Gamers

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EHKOS said:
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Good luck with that when you've given up on improving your online service. People still take the piss out of PSN for not being up to standard, how exactly will WiiU's network be treated if they've said they aren't going to be able/going to try to catch up with either PSN or XBL?
What IS wrong with PSN? I've heard people say they hate it a lot but they've never said why. I use it and I like it.
Same. As far as I can tell it's the lack of party chat and the frequent maintenance. But if I had to guess what it really was I'd say they judged it from its first few months where it didn't have many features and haven't updated their opinions as its improved.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Actually, HUD design is something of a controversial area in game design right now. There's mounting evidence that removing clutter from the screen helps immerse the player better in the world, and distracts them less. Think about it: if you're playing a game where there is this much clutter covering up the screen, all that's going to do is serve to remind you that you're playing an artificial game on a TV screen. If you can remove needless clutter and instead focus on incorporating some of those elements into the gameworld itself, rather than laying them over the top, then you can more easily convince the player that they're taking part in an adventure, not simply playing a game.
I agree. And the answer lies in finding new ways to incorporate that information and fix the current situation, not slide it all to a new screen and creating new problems. Can we do any of this audibly? LA Noire used "talk to your buddy for driving directions" to great effect without giving us GPS in the '50s. What info doesn't need to be shown at all? Shooters have all but ditched the health bar. Maybe some other info can go away, as well.

In this regard, the Wii U could actually be something of a step forwards. Action games will still have all the relevant info you need, but it won't be overlaid on top of your character and distracting you with its flashy neon colours. There's a lot to be said for understated, simple design and minimalist HUD elements.
... aaaaaaaaaand there goes your argument. A step forward? Understated and simple? They said they're going to move all of the HUD info to a separate screen. Now you have to manage TWO screens. Your head bounces back and forth. You could make an argument that maaaaaaybe this is a step sideways, but realistically, we've taken two steps forward, Nintendo is takin' two steps baaaack. We come togetherrrr, cuz ohhhh-poe-zits attract! And you know, it ain't fic- *ahem*



Sorry.

I think improving the current HUD layout is a huge need. Moving it as-is to another screen fixes nothing. It just distracts you MORE, because you need to look down, and then back, and then down, and then back.

Here's a short play I've written to illustrate my point:

Me: "My house is a cluttered mess. I can't find anything!"


Reggie: "Hey, I know. I have this shed. Let me build it across the street from your house and move your cluttered mess over there! Then your house will be CLEAN!"



Me: "How will this help me actually find what I'm looking for when I need it?"


Reggie: "Oh, it won't. If anything, it will make it worse, because now you have to cross the street to go through your mess and find what you need.... but at least your house will be clean!!!"

 

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Fumbles said:
JokerboyJordan said:
=y said:
I really do want this console to succeed. Mainly because of nostalgia but also because I'd hate to see Nintendo fall.
Well that's a coincidence, as I really want Nintendo to fail, extremely badly.
Think of it as karma for the Wii, for all those good 3rd party games that were stuck on the most inferior console,for all that time and money spent buying the thing only to not have touched it in more than a year, for the sheer luck of them catching lightning in a bottle.
I want them to fail so hard they'll stop producing consoles, and focus back on the handhelds.

But more than that, I want them to fail...because it will be fucking glorious
I whole heartedly agree with you. I also want them to fail for knocking SEGA off...
Sega killed itself.
 

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I have hopes for the WiiU... Very, very little hopes, but they are there regardless. Hopefully being able to compete with the others in games means more AAA 3rd party titles mixed in with the usualy Zelda, Mario, Metroid ect. It could be an other gamecube. Not as hard core as the xbox, but come on who didnt have fun with the cube?
 

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It's just a pity that not everyone gets what they want in life. Nintendo may want it, but I doubt they will get it. "Hardcore" isn't the first word I think of when I hear or read the word "Nintendo".
 

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Call of Duty is hardcore now?

They're welcome to them. Hell, of CoD is hardcore, I'm happy to not be, frankly.
This x10000

When I think "hardcore" I do not think CoD. I think Starcraft, Dota, in fact, I laugh at any one who owns 1 console and then considers them self a "hardcore" gamer. In my eyes, hardcore gamers are those that have game libraries in the 100s, not someone who just spends hours on CoD or Halo.
 

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if Wii dropped the entire motion control shit and that stupid magical tablet gimmick and went back to proper controls you dont need to think about or look at. they also need to shake off the giant toddler off its back, Then maybe Nintendo will get a quick glance from "hardcore" gamers. until then * continues to enjoy 360 *

Nintendo is for kids and parties. its not even a console to me anymore, its a silly port with mini games. i used to love you Nintendo...*sniff*
 

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I would love the WiiU to be the only system i needed for my Zelda games and great shooters at the same time, but i'm betting it will be like what happened with the Wii; sure it got shooters and action games, but they were all more or less just crappy ports. Granted, it's nice Nintendo moved away from the Wii controller, which im sure was a huge barrier for developers who would otherwise make games for Xbox/PS, and hell, i wasn't too big a fan of having to sit on the other side of the room from my tv to get the controller to aim properly. But i guess it's all just wait-and-see time now.

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Sleekit said:
JokerboyJordan said:
*le snip*
just for a second get off the fanboy defensive and personal attacks..

i am not a "Nintendo fanboy". i own 9 consoles. only one of them is made by Nintendo and its a SNES (not counting my GBA) although i considering buy a cube with the GBA addon purely to play GBA games on a TV.

i am a gamer. a very old gamer who has had that as my primary hobby/preferred entertainment for almost as long as it is possible to have been so and who has followed the industry and the stories within it very closely.

i don't care who makes the best next generation console because the simple fact is consoles manufacturers don't make games and i play (what i consider to be good) games not consoles.

as such no producer of a lump of plastic and circuit board deserves "brand loyalty".

none.

but certainly not one who thinks its ok to sell a consumer electronics product at hundreds of pounds each which have a recorded failure rate as high as 50%.

i know what MS is and i know what the guiding principals and the nature of the characters who run it are. i have read a great deal on those people, their history and their storys.

it is not a games company. they don't give a toss about making "good" games and they don't care about "gamers" and my only reaction to people like you who clearly want to lift and wave the banner for them is that your "loyalty" is misplaced and misguided.

i may buy a Wii U when the time comes but the solid truth is the only reason it is prompting my interest atm is the Dragon Quest X mmo (Dragon Quest VIII being one of my favourite games ever as witnessed by my avatar) and, to a lesser extent, the very real possibility of a Pokemon mmo.

you may now get back to interacting with those others who still think scoring "points" in discussion on a subject you are both interest in is what having a conversation is about...
The "fanboy defensive personal attack" comment was directed at you, using the same choice of words that you used.

It was certainly not okay for the consoles to fail as much as they did, and that was partially remedied by the admittedly revised design, that should allay any fears you have as to whether to purchase one. Just for the record, my console did not experience the RROD, and it was a 60gb Model from the early life cycle, and the newer console I possess has not once experienced anything bad.

Being old does not equate to being wise, although I don't have any reason to know whether you are or not.

I don't have misguided loyalty to Microsoft for some unfounded reason, I find their console and online experience to be the best of the big 3, thus it is my preferred console, nothing more.
They are indeed not a games company, but their hardware is what I like about them, and the fidelity and standard of games it allows to be produced on it.

We are not having a conversation, we are having a debate.

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and yet we (gamers) raved about possibilities of the VMU on the dreamcast...

i think in all honesty people are blinded by current trends in the market.

the fact is one of the reasons shooters are so massively prevalent on consoles (in comparison with other game types) is due to the lack of control options on consoles.

its not just about display. its also about control.

the thing is a (large) touch screen which gives near limitless options in that respect.

i think anyone can possibly look at it in an unbiased way if they choose to do so and see how it could possibly be applied to things such as the interface components virtually required in other more complicated games types such as MMOs and some RPGs for example.
Nobody can say they speak for "gamers", you only speak for yourself, and the gaming world/market is a lot different than when the Dreamcast was on everybody's lips. I.e. People have grown up now.

Shooters are so prevalent as that is what has found to sell the most, and since gaming is a business it's what will continue to be made until the profits show otherwise.

I can see it working for RTS's, for MMOs however probably not.

I'm finished on this subject now, I can't be bothered anymore.
 

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Seems like people have already decided Nintendos failure but they are nothing if not surprising personally I thought the Wii would sell bugger all and I was wrong they have also arguably got both the casual and hardcore players on the handheld market with the DS so I dont think its impossible for them not to do it with the console as well.

Its games that are going to decide whether they can capture the hardcore market as it were not the tech if they can get enough of a variety of quality games for it there is no reason they could not succeed. Im sceptical and think they are facing an uphill battle (just looking at the prejudice in this thread) but they could do it. Personally I am going to wait and see.
 

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Fumbles said:
JokerboyJordan said:
=y said:
I really do want this console to succeed. Mainly because of nostalgia but also because I'd hate to see Nintendo fall.
Well that's a coincidence, as I really want Nintendo to fail, extremely badly.
Think of it as karma for the Wii, for all those good 3rd party games that were stuck on the most inferior console,for all that time and money spent buying the thing only to not have touched it in more than a year, for the sheer luck of them catching lightning in a bottle.
I want them to fail so hard they'll stop producing consoles, and focus back on the handhelds.

But more than that, I want them to fail...because it will be fucking glorious
I whole heartedly agree with you. I also want them to fail for knocking SEGA off...
... Sony was the one that killed SEGA with the PS2. Had Sony never entered the Market (And if SEGA didn't botch up the Saturn so badly with terrible commercials and instantaneous release at the first E3), they would have basically continued their rivalry with Nintendo. When the Playstation 2 showed up though, SEGA systems just weren't selling, and they had to abandon the console market.

OT: I think they can at least get a few Hardcore people to go back to Nintendo, but it won't be a huge exodus from PS3/360 Markets. Still, I think Nintendo will do fine.
 

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Phhh, They can want it all they...Want.
They can desire themselves to be hardcore until the day they die, but It's never going to happen.
Gaming works like this:
X-box 360 and Ps3 are for adults, teens, and Hardcore gamers.
PC is for pretentious uppity gits People that think they're better than everyone else, because they can barely play anything at a reasonable speed.
Nintendo is for small children and families.

So it has been.
So it shall always be.

(If nintendo really want to be hardcore so much, they need to get with the times and stop releasing the same 3 games every year, with an occasional metroid attached to them)
 

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Elate said:
itsthesheppy said:
Call of Duty is hardcore now?

They're welcome to them. Hell, of CoD is hardcore, I'm happy to not be, frankly.
This x10000

When I think "hardcore" I do not think CoD. I think Starcraft, Dota, in fact, I laugh at any one who owns 1 console and then considers them self a "hardcore" gamer. In my eyes, hardcore gamers are those that have game libraries in the 100s, not someone who just spends hours on CoD or Halo.
Agreed. Chances are a hardcore gamer has most if not all of the available systems. I can forgive some that opt out of any 1 of the systems but you're going to have most of them. The only reason I don't own a 360 is the failure rate is too higher, and it just doesn't have enough exclusives outside of fps for me. I've only had 1 system die on me and that was a 32x after it took a fall off some boxes, a very small fall, like the system tipped and lightly touched the box next to it. The Genesis still worked.

If Nintendo can get Watch Dogs, and a number of other M rated 3rd party games they might be able to get hardcore gamers back into the fold. My only real problem with the Wii has been as a hardcore gamer it's really only good for 1st party games.
 

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Exactly how well would the Wii U perform in a tournerment? ohh... Nintendo must ofcourse be referring to casual and mid-core gamers.
 

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I really don't know why. Last I checked nintendo dominated this generation in terms of sales. Just stick to what you're good at.

Besides, I still don't like that controller. Not only does it look uncomfortable to hold, but I hate the idea of important things like minimaps being stuck on it.
Yea "dominated this generation in terms of sales" in the casual market. So for each console sold, hardly ANY games (beyond Nintendo titles) were bought for it, and a large number of those "casual gamers" quickly lost interest.

Statistically there are far more casual consumers than dedicated gamers who will be playing games and looking for new titles to play and download dlc which generate sales which the other systems already have those dedicated gamers for the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360 so Nintendo too the easy route and targeted a audience with no prior experience or expectations (console specs, graphics etc.) with gaming other than what they play on their phone

Yes Nintendo sold the most gaming consoles, but how many of those people were gamers and not some weight conscious mom or grandparent? Did those people just played the Wii-fit game that came bundled with the system and bought nothing else? The DS market is the only thing that have an actual dedicated following for both hardcore and casual

They have won the console war in terms of SALES but lost the console war in my eyes as a GAMER since they didn't even target gamers beyond the default flock of faithful Nintendo fans when they released the wii
 

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FantomOmega said:
WaysideMaze said:
I really don't know why. Last I checked nintendo dominated this generation in terms of sales. Just stick to what you're good at.

Besides, I still don't like that controller. Not only does it look uncomfortable to hold, but I hate the idea of important things like minimaps being stuck on it.
Yea "dominated this generation in terms of sales" in the casual market. So for each console sold, hardly ANY games (beyond Nintendo titles) were bought for it, and a large number of those "casual gamers" quickly lost interest.

Statistically there are far more casual consumers than dedicated gamers who will be playing games and looking for new titles to play and download dlc which generate sales which the other systems already have those dedicated gamers for the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360

Yes Nintendo sold the most gaming consoles, but how many of those people were gamers and not some weight conscious mom or grandparent? Did those people just played the Wii-fit game that came bundled with the system and bought nothing else? The DS market is the only thing that have an actual dedicated following for both hardcore and casual

They have won the console war in terms of SALES but lost the console war in my eyes as a GAMER since they didn't even target gamers beyond the default flock of faithful Nintendo fans when they released the wii
Actually many people who bought the wii bought it for their children. You know what children are really good at? Brand Identification. Sure you could say they'll move on because casuals or whatever bought it however it doesn't seem that way based on what I observe. I do some volunteer assistance at the elementary school across from my school and every boy and even a few girls in the third grade class alone are totally enamoured by the things. I see at least 8 DSs at recess and they are always talking about smash brothers or pokemon or sometimes even Zelda though I've noticed that's a little more popular with the girls than the boys.

Point is you say Nintendo only catered to the default Nintendo fans, yet a bunch of blank slate little kids are becoming a new generation of them now that Ninty's got to them first. The days when the kid with the level 87 Charizard was the king of the playground seem to be coming back, though maybe not so pronounced.
 

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Maybe if Nintendo started some original works and released some new IPs in our lifetime, that could happen. You can expect a hardcore audience to flock towards a company made famous by Mario and Donkey Kong. Nintendo has built their whole reputation around a fun, cartooney vibe that dominates Nintendo's image. If they want to accepted but a hardcore Audience, they will have to put a LOT of time, money, and effort in developing new games that would make a hardcore gamer justify the price of purchasing this console. And so far, judging by everything I've seen about the Wii U, they haven't done anything to perpetuate this image; except for getting a few hardcore games, that are already available on consoles who have gained an image favoring the hardcore crowd. It seems like, to me, that Nintendo is a day late and a dollar short on this one. Maybe next time Nintendo...
 

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him over there said:
FantomOmega said:
WaysideMaze said:
I really don't know why. Last I checked nintendo dominated this generation in terms of sales. Just stick to what you're good at.

Besides, I still don't like that controller. Not only does it look uncomfortable to hold, but I hate the idea of important things like minimaps being stuck on it.
Yea "dominated this generation in terms of sales" in the casual market. So for each console sold, hardly ANY games (beyond Nintendo titles) were bought for it, and a large number of those "casual gamers" quickly lost interest.

Statistically there are far more casual consumers than dedicated gamers who will be playing games and looking for new titles to play and download dlc which generate sales which the other systems already have those dedicated gamers for the PC, PS3 and Xbox 360

Yes Nintendo sold the most gaming consoles, but how many of those people were gamers and not some weight conscious mom or grandparent? Did those people just played the Wii-fit game that came bundled with the system and bought nothing else? The DS market is the only thing that have an actual dedicated following for both hardcore and casual

They have won the console war in terms of SALES but lost the console war in my eyes as a GAMER since they didn't even target gamers beyond the default flock of faithful Nintendo fans when they released the wii
Actually many people who bought the wii bought it for their children. You know what children are really good at? Brand Identification. Sure you could say they'll move on because casuals or whatever bought it however it doesn't seem that way based on what I observe. I do some volunteer assistance at the elementary school across from my school and every boy and even a few girls in the third grade class alone are totally enamoured by the things. I see at least 8 DSs at recess and they are always talking about smash brothers or pokemon or sometimes even Zelda though I've noticed that's a little more popular with the girls than the boys.

Point is you say Nintendo only catered to the default Nintendo fans, yet a bunch of blank slate little kids are becoming a new generation of them now that Ninty's got to them first. The days when the kid with the level 87 Charizard was the king of the playground seem to be coming back, though maybe not so pronounced.
The weirdest thing is that when those kids "grow up" (heck I already hear FAR to many kids on PSN) they will follow the mindset that they want a "grown up" system and not that "kiddy one" mom bought them and with all the marketing on TV where you see those flashy ads of some space marine blowing a alien's head off they'll be hyped to get their grubby mist on it

So It'll depend on how open the family (and the child's preference) in letting their children on a more mature console, sure that kid will probably stick to a DS for handheld gaming and these newer generation of children don't have the strong "nostalgia factor" that most older gamers have since we played Mario in the days of the NES/SNES to really change their view that Nintendo games are for kids and when they grow up, It will be the case of them making a choice if to want more "challenging games" since they no longer want their training wheels (Nintendo) anymore or getting the wii for the fun AND buying a different console for the heavy multiplayer aspect, mature themes and challenge

If they have to resort buying to another console Nintendo may have in fact put a potential dedicated gamer for their system at risk of being led into a completely different gaming experience from a competitor's console and not look back

I've seen people move from the Wii to the PS3/Xbox369/PC or have two or more consoles with the Wii but HARDLY do I see gamers move from PS3/Xbox360/PC and stay EXCLUSIVELY with the Wii without using the other systems