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RMcD94

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Hangaround said:
Furthermore I'd like to state that it's not weird at all that murders of civilians and legit targets(enemies in shootergames) are allowed, it's Virtual Reality, meaning it's not real. It only exists as pixels on our screen.
Well, how would you explain the reaction to Rapeplay (or whatever it was called) then? That is what my scenario was based on, over-blowing peoples reaction.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that in the original post.

dathwampeer said:
So you want to live in a completely censored world without freedom of expression. How's that Nazism working out for ya?
I'd like to point out the similarity of your post to calling someone gay (being gay has nothing to do with sucking at a game) for say, sucking at a game. You're calling me a Nazi (which has nothing to do with my topic), because I wanted to contemplate a scenario in which illegal acts were not allowed to be committed in virtual reality.

Just because you do not like Nazism doesn't mean you can use it as an insult for completely unrelated subjects.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totalitarianism

You are looking for Totalitarianism, though this is only affecting virtual reality and not most aspects of peoples lives (indeed this law will not effect a large number of people).

Some more questions:

People do illegal stuff all the time, it'll be difficult to enforce this everywhere, would we see an underground gaming society appear?
 

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Military games would still exist. Strategy games would still exist. Oh.. and let's not forget about zombie games, alien invasion games... etc.

Loopholes would be exploited.
 

RMcD94

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Ewyx said:
Military games would still exist. Strategy games would still exist. Oh.. and let's not forget about zombie games, alien invasion games... etc.

Loopholes would be exploited.
Indeed, I do believe people could simply say "Ah, but the very human looking people we're shooting right here are actually aliens who just look human due to some form of mirage technology."
 

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Not sure if this should be in Off Topic or here.

Basically, the scenario is that laws are put in place which stops the possibility of any illegal activity from being able to be played, or watched on the cinema or TV (and possibly read too, but probably not that) unless it is educational (a film about the dangers of cars, a photo of concentration camps) or scientific (photos of a forensic crime scene, etc).

What would the outcome of this be?

What kind of games? What kind of movies? (Possibly what kind of books?)

It always seemed odd to me that there is no problem with people being murdered in a film, or in a book, or in a game, even though it is frowned upon incredibly outside of those mediums. That's where I got my inspiration. I wonder if this could encourage whole new genres of games.

Farmville certainly would still be around, but WoW, CoD, even Mario (killing the enemies by jumping on them is still killing them). Bye bye GTA, many other racing games too (speeding), only those which take place inside tracks would still be around.
HAR HAR HAR ME HARTIES, LONG LIVE THE PIRATE BAY!, HAR YARR!
 

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What would the outcome of this be?
The outcome? Hell March of gamers and industry workers crushing everything in it's path towards the capital. WE-WANT-WAAAR! WAKE-UP!

And also decent city-builder games... probably.

lacktheknack said:
Goodbye, all not point-and-click-games... no, THEY'RE gone too due to kleptomania...
Well, what about point-and-clicks where you obtain the items you need through dialogue and/or barter?

dathwampeer said:
So you want to live in a completely censored world without freedom of expression. How's that Nazism working out for ya?
Well, he never said he WANTS that. It's just a hypothetical. Also Godwin's Law... sorta. We ARE talking about totalitarianism here, after all.
 

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Games are simulations, so I don't think so.

But if it would apply to there as well for some contrived reason...

I'd start living socially due to being bored out of my mind with pathetic, realism-enhanced games.
 

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xRagnarok19 said:
The outcome would be the end of most of the actual games, the loss of thousands/millions of jobs, and a lot of anger and hate.
Sports and racing games would probably be the only major genres to survive.
Racing games would be gone too, unless they limited it so you were only ever allowed to drive at the speed limit. Otherwise they promote the breaking of speed limits, right?

Sports games would be all that's left. Which means goodbye to everyone who isn't EA...
 

RMcD94

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Racing games would be gone too, unless they limited it so you were only ever allowed to drive at the speed limit. Otherwise they promote the breaking of speed limits, right?
It's not illegal on a racetrack though. Just like murder isn't illegal in a war (I think). MW2's civilian killing level would certainly be illegal.
 

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migo said:
This would mean that differnt games get made for different locales, and there would be a big smuggling market bringing in games from the UK where it's legal to kill a Welshman with a crossbow outside of city walls after dark.
Ah yes, I can imagine that would be a hit in the US:

"Cymru Hitman"

I dunno, I can just imagine an underground ring of developer pumping out illegal titles. Games like GTA being sold on the streets like drugs.
 

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RMcD94 said:
Hangaround said:
Furthermore I'd like to state that it's not weird at all that murders of civilians and legit targets(enemies in shootergames) are allowed, it's Virtual Reality, meaning it's not real. It only exists as pixels on our screen.
Well, how would you explain the reaction to Rapeplay (or whatever it was called) then? That is what my scenario was based on, over-blowing peoples reaction.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that in the original post.
Isn't that only one game? Called Rapelay. Only released in Japan? That's japans problem. Besides it's porn, that's a different problem then games.

The solution if this was to become a large genre however, is simple. It should be rated/regulated as with erotic films, and only sold by authorised shops. Rape-fantasies aren't illegal, but if the girls are too young it's to be considered child porn. It's eroge and has to be treated as such. Japan sees this different then the rest of the world.

I full understand that many governments are sceptical to porn being interactive, and they should ban games if deemed necessary. How this could affect the whole industry is beyond me, i hate illusion games.
 

RMcD94

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Hangaround said:
RMcD94 said:
Hangaround said:
Furthermore I'd like to state that it's not weird at all that murders of civilians and legit targets(enemies in shootergames) are allowed, it's Virtual Reality, meaning it's not real. It only exists as pixels on our screen.
Well, how would you explain the reaction to Rapeplay (or whatever it was called) then? That is what my scenario was based on, over-blowing peoples reaction.

Perhaps I should have mentioned that in the original post.
Isn't that only one game? Called Rapelay. Only released in Japan? That's japans problem. Besides it's porn, that's a different problem then games.

The solution if this was to become a large genre however, is simple. It should be rated/regulated as with erotic films, and only sold by authorised shops. Rape-fantasies aren't illegal, but if the girls are too young it's to be considered child porn. It's eroge and has to be treated as such. Japan sees this different then the rest of the world.

I full understand that many governments are sceptical to porn being interactive, and they should ban games if deemed necessary. How this could affect the whole industry is beyond me, i hate illusion games.
Urm, it was the reaction to rapelay, and I was handwaviuming overblowing the reaction to consider the scenario. This is not possible at all.
 

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Interesting the criminalization of fictional crimes, it dose not matter the medium as all crimes are crimes and thus are illegal. As the media industry is culled the prison system will expand. Fodder for war and cheap labor are crated from such.

But media will remain intact in part if news is allowed to talk about real events, artist that do advertising, sculpture ,portraits, fictional illustrations could be fine as long as the order of them if they tell a "story" is not advertised or discussed.