No Right Answer: Are Gamers Dead?

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Spyre2k

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I see Gamer as being synonymous with fan. This is much the same way sports fans identify themselves. Someone can occasionally watch a football game with friends or family but they don't really pay attention to all the stats, roosters, and match up details. Those people wouldn't really consider themselves fans it's just something they enjoy with others from time to time.


For a comparison to another media such as movies I don't think there is an appropriate term other than maybe Movie Aficionado. Where someone who goes nearly every week to see the latest films of the sheer enjoyment (as oppose to a critic who does it for work) vs someone who may only go every other month or so to see the few titles they are interested in. So for games I think Gamer is pretty much taken to mean Gaming Aficionado.


For those who many not know the term:

afi·cio·na·do
noun \ə-ˌfi-sh(ē-)ə-ˈnä-(ˌ)dō, -fē-, -sē-ə-\

: a person who likes, knows about, and appreciates a usually fervently pursued interest or activity : devotee


This I think is how many gamers see themselves and if you don't have the passion like a true aficionado then you are not a gamer. But that doesn't mean you can't enjoy a game now and then, just like you don't have to be a movie aficionado to enjoy a good movie from time to time.

And if you look at the use of the term it has pretty much always been focused around that core meaning. The negative stereotypes got added on as a way to denigrate the past time as it was viewed in a negative light by the main stream. And I even recall growing up some people who may like a game or two when they played it but they didn't identify as gamers because it was a casual thing they only did on occasion with friends and knew very little about the overall gaming culture.

But now that nerd culture has become cool a lot of people want to wear the badge of gamer to appear "cool" without actually learning about it and diving into it to understanding the culture. This is what turns off a lot of people as you would get a similar reaction from any fandom if you did that. Try saying your a huge fan of some sports team without knowing most of the players names or positions and then striking up a conversation with someone who does. Your fraud will be seen as such and it will speak volumes on your character which will put people off.

The problem in gaming culture though is you do have some sexist jerks and general assholes out there who like to spew their hate speech and the Media is all to happy to capitalize on these incidents to continue to perpetuate the negative stereotypes of the anti-social Gamer.
 

sleekie

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I think pertinent question is less "are gamers dead" and more "is gaming journalism dead"?
 

JET1971

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Louzerman102 said:
Elijah Newton said:
Louzerman102 said:
JET1971 said:
I find sports fan(atic)s to be much more rabid when it comes to opinions than the average gamer but socially being a fan of sports is more acceptable than being a someone who enjoys and plays video games.
How can you compare the two activities!? Fanatic sports fans riot after wins, they also kill under-performing player in after game mobs, while video-gamers say mean things to women on the internet occasionally!
This is what I mean by gamers covering for trolls. When Louzerman102 writes "mean things to women on the internet" he or she is trivializing really egregious stuff. I hope I'm wrong - Louzerman102, please pipe up and clarify for me what you meant if I'm missing the point and "mean things to women on the internet" doesn't include rape and dismemberment threats, and all the etc etc that I'd like to move past as much as anyone else.

Except gamers keep covering for it.

_Gamers_ don't do these things. Trolls do these things.

Why are we (gamers) covering for trolls?
At the time all I wanted to do is make a smart ass remark aka tongue in cheek remark on the internet. There wasn't that much of a point I was trying to get across, however there is an interesting topic to be had on spin and perspective here.

Personally I have always been interested by how a person skillful with words can twist tone and meaning into whatever they want, but that is a whole different conversation.

Anyway, I was comparing a pastime/activity/way of life called sports, something people have been killed over, to toxic behavior on the internet. Again I will stress, actually killed people to the threat of violence. Dead bodies to words. Words that are possible because the inherent structure and anonymity of the internet makes it the perfect environment to say hurtful words without follow-through. Gaming is in the middle of a moral panic, sexism on the internet existed before this and will exist after this. Most of the arguments I have seen focus entirely on gaming, ignoring that human sexuality is a massive issue in the film industry (along with racism), comics, and corporate business. My point is not to trivialize or cover for trolls it's to point out as a realist "how do I control the actions of people I don't even know?" is a really stupid question. I would also like to point out that you bit the bullet pretty hard on my smart ass comment, overlooking my point that people have died for sports to target the line about sexism, in a comment that joking trivialized death to focus on sexism.

Why are we (gamers) covering for trolls?
Why is it my duty to be a sword and shield for other people?
My point was that being a sports fan is socially acceptable and calling yourself a gamer is not and it should be. I wasn't making a connection between violence from sports and sexism from gamer trolls, you added that.

My other point being sports fans are more rabid than gamers. Yes there have been riots and murder over who won what game or being a fan of a particular team amongst fans of another. I got to see a guy get his nose broke because he was wearing a team hat that the other person hated. being a sports fan is socially acceptable and often if you are not you are socially outcast.

There is also plenty of sexism in sports, nobody bothers talking about that. Super Bowl, World cup, World series... What about a female version of those getting the same coverage? Will never happen, sports are male dominated and female athletes, teams, leagues are second class compared to the male counterparts. But being a sports fan is socially acceptable and the blatant sexism is as well.

sleekie said:
I think pertinent question is less "are gamers dead" and more "is gaming journalism dead"?
No more than movie, music, sports, TV, whatever is. Rave reviews for a game surrounded by ads for that game might be a thing of the past, and If I see ads for that game on the same site as the review then I wont read the review because to me it is a paid advertisement.
 

nightazday

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Really the end result is that game journalism is kinda, garbage. Stemming from the fact that journalist keep trying to present themselves as the representatives of gamers yet always seeking for vilify them in some form.

The redefinitions they give are just stereotypes, treat them as you would any stereotype. There have been many times when people regarded media portrayals of my race as the definition of said race, but everyone knows it's just a stereotype and that not all or even most of my race as like that. Same with gamers and the stereotypes brought to them.
 

Deadcyde

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Reasonable Atheist said:
I cannot think of a single rational reason to care about this. The words "dance puppets dance" keep coming to mind.
I did care at first, but after a chance to step back and ignore the self righteous high horsing on all sides, I realized it boiled down to this.

Gaming is commercial as much as it is culture, if there's money in it. Gaming will inevitably follow. All these agendas "troll" ideals and what not, are simply social politics. While not mutually exclusive from gaming, aren't defining qualities either. (As much as these online primadonnas would love it to be.)

To paraphrase Dr Manhatten; I would only agree that the discussion "gamer is dead" is as nourishing to gaming as a photo of oxygen to a breathing person.
 

Ghadente

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I am a gamer and I am dead... when i'm not playing games :)

Would you list either Playing Games or Gaming as a hobby? if you answered Yes, you are a Gamer.

As for society and its obscured view (which tends to be the case about any topic), will "see us as you want to see us - in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain ...and an athlete... and a basket case... a princess... and a criminal..." and a gamer!
 

Pinkilicious

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Ghadente said:
I am a gamer and I am dead... when i'm not playing games :)

Would you list either Playing Games or Gaming as a hobby? if you answered Yes, you are a Gamer.

As for society and its obscured view (which tends to be the case about any topic), will "see us as you want to see us - in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions. But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain ...and an athlete... and a basket case... a princess... and a criminal..." and a gamer!
And some are even a mix or all of the above, how fun!
The unfortunate thing is that I think all would agree with such a proposition had one article with the same topic by a more respected/reasonable person been published a few years ago. I think we all saw the shameless cashgrabbing and false identity of g4's class of 'gamer' and everyone called them out, but there was never an official unified stance, so they considered it acceptable until their final demise. It'd take until Doritosgate to dismantle that completely. Of course, leftism in America has never been about fighting megacorporate interests as it is in other parts of the world.