"Which doesn't mean your favorite is bad - SHUT UP!"
How did this not get quote of the week? =(
How did this not get quote of the week? =(
No Right Answer: Best Animation Style Ever
- Thread starter Firefilm
- Start date
Recommended Videos
I like some of anime's animation style, but I don't care for many of the stories much. At least the ones I've been exposed to. And I've had friends who sing their praises so much that I get annoyed by it.
I do like western style animation, except on the odd occasion when it tries to mimic anime. Sometimes it feels like some of anime's funny moments are forced in a feel "unnatural". However, I do like when it's done as a parody, since those can be funny.
I do like western style animation, except on the odd occasion when it tries to mimic anime. Sometimes it feels like some of anime's funny moments are forced in a feel "unnatural". However, I do like when it's done as a parody, since those can be funny.
Watch the 1st episode of Cowboy Bebob again.Avatar Roku said:
During the 1st few seconds of the 1st episode we see explosions, gunshots, and one of the main characters looking like he is about ready to do a self sacrifice move with no explanation on why he is doing this at all during the episode. Which you won't find out why until you watch other episodes that piece that beginning episode together. It also gets really dark at the end of episode 1. Which can get pretty surprising since it is actually unexpected to get as dark as it did. Good anime, REALLY good anime, but I would not say it is easy to follow unless you already like anime
If you have some interest in anime, I could point you out what anime are actually worth watching for a beginner. Kinda curious more on what was recommended to you.Nexxis said:
There are anime that are easy to follow if you already like anime.
Then there are anime that are easy to follow if you don't have a huge interest in anime. In terms of understanding what the Director/author was trying to do without feeling let down.
Looks like someone doesn't enjoy science fiction.Kitsuna10060 said:
Also how can you stand Vampire Hunter D?
I don't think that the fact that they don't tell us everything immediately necessarily makes it that hard to follow. I mean, it's not as if only anime does that, I think that viewers like Dan would be able piece together the essentials and wait to figure out the rest.Negatempest said:
The problems you cited are not problems typical of anime, and so I do not think this is inherently a bad intro anime. Hell, between it's episodic nature and focus on Jazz, this may be one of the most western animes I've seen (though there are also themes, such as the whole Yakuza thing, that are VERY Japanese, so it's an interesting specimen)
So Dan won because he's only seen parts of two anime's + Akira and got a bad impression, so that's worthy of points? Most of his arguments aren't really true, only subjectively true from the perspective of someone who doesn't know what they're talking about.
The very idea that he says "they're all the same" shows he really isn't fit to criticize anime. His stereotype doesn't even fit a large minority from what I've seen. Let's list the anime's I've seen and I'll put an X next to ones might in some vague sense fit his stereotype
Dragonball Z
Samurai Champloo
Ghost in the Shell
Full Metal Alchemist X
Naruto
Mushi-Shi
Sacred Blacksmith
Claymore X
Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom X
You could maybe argue Ghost in the Shell, but most of the bad guys lie outside the Government and the Government Section 9 agency is where the good-guys are. I think I'm being overly generous with Claymore and Phantom, as neither bad guy group is a government and the experiment itself isn't really the driving force of the plot.
Hell, Full Metal Alchemist only partly fulfills his stereotype.
I think American, or "Western" animation has some real promise. Things like Avatar are great evidence of this, but it has a lot of catching up to do. Animation has been central to the Japanese culture whereas for us, animation is only recently becoming acceptable for adults to consume. The stigma still exists that animation is simply "cartoons" and are for young kids.
I don't know about you, I wouldn't want my 6 year old seeing an entire town have their souls ripped out to form a blood red stone, or the Major blowing out some guys brain.
The very idea that he says "they're all the same" shows he really isn't fit to criticize anime. His stereotype doesn't even fit a large minority from what I've seen. Let's list the anime's I've seen and I'll put an X next to ones might in some vague sense fit his stereotype
Dragonball Z
Samurai Champloo
Ghost in the Shell
Full Metal Alchemist X
Naruto
Mushi-Shi
Sacred Blacksmith
Claymore X
Phantom: Requiem for the Phantom X
You could maybe argue Ghost in the Shell, but most of the bad guys lie outside the Government and the Government Section 9 agency is where the good-guys are. I think I'm being overly generous with Claymore and Phantom, as neither bad guy group is a government and the experiment itself isn't really the driving force of the plot.
Hell, Full Metal Alchemist only partly fulfills his stereotype.
I think American, or "Western" animation has some real promise. Things like Avatar are great evidence of this, but it has a lot of catching up to do. Animation has been central to the Japanese culture whereas for us, animation is only recently becoming acceptable for adults to consume. The stigma still exists that animation is simply "cartoons" and are for young kids.
I don't know about you, I wouldn't want my 6 year old seeing an entire town have their souls ripped out to form a blood red stone, or the Major blowing out some guys brain.
well i'm not a big fan of Sci-fi but there is some i enjoy.shameduser said:
rather easily? its not a bad movie (the first one) least it made sense the whole way through, unlike Akira -.- I'd have suggested Outlaw Star if i didn't think it was thing kinda 'normal anime tropes' he dislikes, not that he gave us any thing to go by anyway ...
I am not stating that Cowboy Beebob and Trigun are bad. I love Trigun. I'm just trying to suggest newer anime. The quality, both of the animation and story, have improved in the last decade...David VanDusen said:
Just like I said: Anime is like movies. You can suggest Godfather, Star Wars, Chinatown and a bunch of other older movies, but there is newer movies that rock too.
^_^
Take FullMetal Alchimist: Brotherhood (the first Fullmetal is not based on the manga version, so don't bother watching).
It's a story about growing up. You have two kids that screwed up things with a naive and childish desire of reviving their mother. Things go bad. Now they have to face the consequences of their acts. They must grow up and take responsibility for themselves and others around.
From that the plots goes to unveil a mystery around the powers of alchemy, the limits of this art, the value of human life. You have strong characters the evolve throughout the story.
It's a good one.
It's a story about growing up. You have two kids that screwed up things with a naive and childish desire of reviving their mother. Things go bad. Now they have to face the consequences of their acts. They must grow up and take responsibility for themselves and others around.
From that the plots goes to unveil a mystery around the powers of alchemy, the limits of this art, the value of human life. You have strong characters the evolve throughout the story.
It's a good one.
Akira makes more sense if you've read the manga. I thought it made sense but that's just me.Kitsuna10060 said:
From what I can gather, the debate didn't have any clear focus. It felt more like "Does USA or Japan produce the best animation?", which I think doesn't go anywhere. It would've been more appropriate comparing the animation styles in of themselves. Here is how see it:
Japanese animation seems to rely very often on caricatures, expressive features and symbolics, which as far as I recall it, is what Dan absolutely despises. The animation also seems to be more focused on details and has a rather interesting complexity to it. Japanese is simply more imaginative.
American animation on the other hand, uses realistic features and subtlety as main virtues for the most part. It seems to focus more upon emulating reality in the broad strokes, but tends to go for a "less is more"-philosophy as well. American animation is simply more mature.
So what style do I find superior? To be frank, none of them. Japanese animation has a larger breathing room for experimentation, but American animation doesn't resent to melodrama and empty sensationalism as its overseas equivalent. There is no right answer according to me.
What I want to see though, is some sort of synergy between these two styles. Not just in animation style, but also in narrative philosophies. That way, new ideas and concepts emerge, which gives people a breath of fresh air. On that note, why isn't anyone talking about European animation? Or any other animation style outside of Japan and the US?
Japanese animation seems to rely very often on caricatures, expressive features and symbolics, which as far as I recall it, is what Dan absolutely despises. The animation also seems to be more focused on details and has a rather interesting complexity to it. Japanese is simply more imaginative.
American animation on the other hand, uses realistic features and subtlety as main virtues for the most part. It seems to focus more upon emulating reality in the broad strokes, but tends to go for a "less is more"-philosophy as well. American animation is simply more mature.
So what style do I find superior? To be frank, none of them. Japanese animation has a larger breathing room for experimentation, but American animation doesn't resent to melodrama and empty sensationalism as its overseas equivalent. There is no right answer according to me.
What I want to see though, is some sort of synergy between these two styles. Not just in animation style, but also in narrative philosophies. That way, new ideas and concepts emerge, which gives people a breath of fresh air. On that note, why isn't anyone talking about European animation? Or any other animation style outside of Japan and the US?
*sigh* This old age argument again. I really don't have anything to add to this discussion. I can say that there really isn't any point for me to justify why I like anime, because it won't change his opinion. After all, he wouldn't have posted this article if he didn't expect this much backlash. Hold on, did I just use a double negative?
You seem to have missed the point. It isn't that there "aren't" anime from post 2000 that couldn't be named, but that when trying to introduce someone to a new medium, you want to go with something that is well regarded.JoaoJatoba said:
I'm sorry; good, bad, or otherwise, FMA in both forms has a lot going against it with regards to presenting it to a newcomer. I've heard people get put off by just the voice of Al coming out of the Armor and how stupid of a concept they perceived that alone to be.
Again, you have to separate out what you as an individual enjoy and try to focus on what has the largest broad appeal. If you know the person you're trying to suck in has specific similar tastes as you, it can be easier. However, when dealing with someone you don't personally know, it is always best to go with the largest percent change of hitting the mark.
I wasn't trying to make it sound as if I took away from your original statement that you didn't think Bebop, Trigun, or some of the other mainstays here weren't good. I was simply trying to explain why they are mentioned first and show an example of how you have to separate your personal tastes when expressing suggestions to others.
Again, you mentioned Gantz. Personally, there is nothing redeeming about that show. The story is full of holes, the main character is overly frustrating, there is excessive sexual oppression towards women, and even the actual writers and production company were outwardly against strong feminine figures. That doesn't even hit all of the crying in that show... and that isn't a sarcastic jab at the characters... that's me actually bringing attention to how often they CRY. Is it a bad show... to me, yes it is an awful representation of Anime. Is it awesome for some people? Apparently it really is. Would I EVER suggest something like that as a supporting example to defend Anime? GOD NO. I might as well throw out La Blue Girl and Bible Black while I was at it.
Did you seriously just suggest fugging GANTZ to someone who hasn't watched a lot of anime and hates the heavy cliches of the genre? Are you MENTAL!?JoaoJatoba said:
While I have enjoyed the manga quite a lot up to this point, the anime is GARBAGE.
Any of the meaningful stuff happens in the manga, and even then it's still filled to the brim with tits and gore.
I'd argue against anime as best animation style, mostly because the average anime actually has limited animation to begin with. It's made on a budget and mostly consists of stills and mouth flaps. That's not really animation. Granted, the stuff that has some money backing it looks far better than the western equivalent.