The one thing that springs to mind is Detroit.
This video is sounding almost like Marvel vs Batman so far. The subject keeps slipping back to Batman!
No Right Answer: Best Comic Book Universe Ever
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This video is sounding almost like Marvel vs Batman so far. The subject keeps slipping back to Batman!
Infinite Crisis flowed into Death of the New Gods, which flowed into Final Crisis, which flowed into Blackest Night, which flowed into Brightest Day, which flowed into Flashpoint. That's about 7 years of continuous Geoff Johns story flow through DC.coheedswicked said:
The real fun with the DC universe(s) is figuring out how things all are supposed to fit together. Otherwise, it is really convoluted, but I still prefer the larger than life characters. Some heroes believe they are cut and dry righteous gods but, like in Infinite Crisis, they see the flaws in there own ways. The villains are the ones that can either be to corky for any interest, or they have many flaws that gives them more character.
Spiderman a Captain America type? Can't agree there. Cap and Spidey are just too different. If you were to say Reed Richards/Fantastic Four and Cap, I'd agree. But Spidey is young (at best a Graduate student), living the life of a teenager or university student, and keeping his identity a secret. Cap is quite open with himself. Spidey had to be taught to be responsible - responsibility is the core of Steve Rogers. Etc.misterprickly said:
Same with GL and Superman - you take away the ring from GL and he's just a dude. You can't do that with Superman in any way; the best you can do is have kryptonite take away his power, but once the kryptonite is gone he's Superman again.
Wonder Woman I'll agree with; what little I know of her backstory does make her seem to be a "goddess" type coming to save the World from itself, like Superman.
We've actually discussed it and decided that the Ducktales universe is superior to all other choices, especially your favorite.Jayemsal said:
Gizmoduck > Iron Man
So this is difficult. As a whole Marvel has more interesting characters with depth. Stark with his ego, the fan four with their family issues, spider-man with his struggle to be a normal young man AND a super hero, Bruce Banner with his fear of himself, the mutants with their struggle to integrate and be accepted into society, and much more. What does DC have? Few but the ones with character have in some cases more character then any one Marvel character. Batman is our shining (or dark whatever) example. He literally HATES crime. He sacrificed his human identity completely in order to become a masked hero. Bruce Wayne is a lie. But then you have characters like Superman or Wonder Woman... I refer to them as 'boy scout' characters. Marvel also leads with story. They have some amazing plot that arch through the entire universe. The Civil War was a powerful story that oddly enough is in some small way relatable. The story also affects every single character in the Marvel universe in very personal ways. What about DC? Well before the New 52 franchise I found the stories to almost always be either meaningless or in a bubble that never permanently affected the universe as a whole. The New 52 is a start in a right direction with characterization of villains that I've never seen before in even Marvel. Is superman a more relatable character now? No, but maybe Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Cyborg, and many others are substantially more interesting. And maybe thats the draw to DC. These characters are meant to be works of pure fiction and we will see the New Superman movie not for who Superman is as a character but for the crazy action! We like Iron Man because Tony is a dick. We liked Thor because he's a megalomaniac jerk that needs to be put in his place. But With Superman, or Wonder Woman, or Even Batman we like to see the action. We like to see the heroes hurt and brutalized as much as possible. We like to see the impossible. We like to see the Villains!!! I think that DC really does support the most interesting Villain base out of any universe. Superman (a God) versus Lex Luthor(a man). Batman(a crazy person that truly believes he is Justice) versus the Joker (a crazy person that believes the worlds atrocities are funny). Hal Jordan(A douche with a power ring that can do anything) versus Sinestro (an alien douche that also has a power ring that is equally as amazing but he knows how to use his imagination). John Constantine(a guy that sees that world underneath the world) versus demons(pure evil and all very different). The villians are sooo cool in the DC universe!! So Marvel is better then DC because of Story and its heroes. But we still read DC becuase its just fun and the villains are waaay better!
The way I end up seeing it: I prefer Marvel's one shots, but I prefer DC's graphic novels.
In general, I find the Marvel characters more engaging, their interactions more compelling. However, DC consistently wows me with the more amazing long running story arcs.
For instance, the last time my jaw truly dropped at Marvel was Age of Apocalypse, and before that, X-Cutioner's Song.
Meanwhile, DC has amazed me with Rock of Ages, Kingdom Come, Reign of the Supermen, and many of the Superman/Batman Xovers (and Bats in general).
On the other hand, Civil War was so compelling b/c we wanted to see how the dysfunction of all these characters caused such widespread chaos. Very similar conceits kept me hooked on Exiles.
Honestly, the two universes are too iconic, and can't be excluded. That's why Amalgam was so awesome, while it lasted.
I think the more interesting debate is: lamest universe reboot ever.
I liked the aftermath of Civil War resulting from Tony Stark screwing up so bad. Then the Scrulls show up (as we knew they would), and reset the universe. Additionally, there's the Ultimate universe.
Batman War Games killed half the universe, and then we get Blackest Night/Brightest Day and New 52.
Don't really know which universe reset was handled worse, and why it always seems to go down that way.
Speaking of which, DC's classic reboot is Crisis, what was Marvel's? I imagine it was the whole Onslaught/Heroes Reborn debacle, but that seems too contemporary.
In general, I find the Marvel characters more engaging, their interactions more compelling. However, DC consistently wows me with the more amazing long running story arcs.
For instance, the last time my jaw truly dropped at Marvel was Age of Apocalypse, and before that, X-Cutioner's Song.
Meanwhile, DC has amazed me with Rock of Ages, Kingdom Come, Reign of the Supermen, and many of the Superman/Batman Xovers (and Bats in general).
On the other hand, Civil War was so compelling b/c we wanted to see how the dysfunction of all these characters caused such widespread chaos. Very similar conceits kept me hooked on Exiles.
Honestly, the two universes are too iconic, and can't be excluded. That's why Amalgam was so awesome, while it lasted.
I think the more interesting debate is: lamest universe reboot ever.
I liked the aftermath of Civil War resulting from Tony Stark screwing up so bad. Then the Scrulls show up (as we knew they would), and reset the universe. Additionally, there's the Ultimate universe.
Batman War Games killed half the universe, and then we get Blackest Night/Brightest Day and New 52.
Don't really know which universe reset was handled worse, and why it always seems to go down that way.
Speaking of which, DC's classic reboot is Crisis, what was Marvel's? I imagine it was the whole Onslaught/Heroes Reborn debacle, but that seems too contemporary.
I'm kind of torn between them, primarily because of characters that i like:
Marvel has Deadpool
DC has Nightwing (I like Batman but, well, Dick Grayson is nothing if not the poster boy for "Took a level in Badass" and i think Nightwing's pretty cool).
...Think I'm gonna need to take a third option here.
Great Characters, short but brutal fights, THE dark fantasy series, Brutal beyond belief, and Art evolution so great that one has to wander if Miura made a deal with the devil at some point..Not to say he started off as looking terrible or anything but, well:
The original Style-
Compared to
What it looks like now-
If you like Anime then go check it out. Don't like anime? Then you REALLY have to go check it out. If there was any faults to be said about this series it's that the author takes a LOOOOOONNNNNGGG time to get new chapters out.
Marvel has Deadpool
DC has Nightwing (I like Batman but, well, Dick Grayson is nothing if not the poster boy for "Took a level in Badass" and i think Nightwing's pretty cool).
...Think I'm gonna need to take a third option here.
Alright, you know what? Fuck it, i realize I'm a broken record about this but i don't give a damn: Berserk.Capitano Segnaposto said:
Great Characters, short but brutal fights, THE dark fantasy series, Brutal beyond belief, and Art evolution so great that one has to wander if Miura made a deal with the devil at some point..Not to say he started off as looking terrible or anything but, well:
The original Style-
Compared to
What it looks like now-
If you like Anime then go check it out. Don't like anime? Then you REALLY have to go check it out. If there was any faults to be said about this series it's that the author takes a LOOOOOONNNNNGGG time to get new chapters out.
My vote goes to DC. Because the marvel characters are just stuck in their layers, so to speak.
With DC there's always playroom for new incarnations and how the characters act. It's like Yathzee's 'pea loving demographic' allegory, There's no more room to play around with the hulk, the fantastic four, or even x-men. It's always the same character.
For the sake of comparison, let's take Thor and Aquaman. Have a lot in common, both royals, blonde, both use forged weapons, and both find the human world confusing and feel like they don't belong.
But where Thor has been the same rebel with a 'devil may care' attitude from issue 1, Aquaman has had several incarnations with differing personalities and looks. And that is much more interesting to me!
With DC there's always playroom for new incarnations and how the characters act. It's like Yathzee's 'pea loving demographic' allegory, There's no more room to play around with the hulk, the fantastic four, or even x-men. It's always the same character.
For the sake of comparison, let's take Thor and Aquaman. Have a lot in common, both royals, blonde, both use forged weapons, and both find the human world confusing and feel like they don't belong.
But where Thor has been the same rebel with a 'devil may care' attitude from issue 1, Aquaman has had several incarnations with differing personalities and looks. And that is much more interesting to me!
It's a tie for me because I feel like although Marvel comics are fun, I find it very hard to take Marvel Comics seriously because they try to be grounded in reality when they really aren't. A lot of Marvel feels very 90's Extreme to me and it's hard to get into that kind of reading. But their stories are rather fun and well written from time to time. DC on the other hand feels much more grounded in reality to me, because if we were to have superheroes in the real world, they wouldn't be normal people, you wouldn't be able to relate to them. They would be a living God and very little would stop them. Batman seems more grounded in Reality than Iron Man does, Deathstroke feels more grounded in Reality than Deadpool does (Though that's not why you read Deadpool) and Superman feels more grounded in reality than Captain America does at times. That's my take on things. I still like Marvel, the movies are good and I love reading their comics, but I feel if Super Heroes became a reality, DC would be the world we'd live in.
Of the main two, DC by far. Mainly because of the depth the Vertigo line brings to the universe, and because DC has had many more storylines that I've enjoyed. Marvel seems to be rehashing the same (fun) plots and character arcs over and over, whereas DC plotlines have had more organic evolution and capacity for change.
Sandman, Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, 52, Morrison's Batman (and most other Batman to be honest), Books of Magic...
Sandman, Swamp Thing, Hellblazer, 52, Morrison's Batman (and most other Batman to be honest), Books of Magic...
Can't agree with either of those two points. Backstory is critical to this, for one; how they gained their powers is extremely important. There is too much difference between how Cap became Cap and how Peter Parker became Spiderman for them to be in the same category. And Sue Storm as a Thor/Wolverine? That's so far out of left field as to be mind boggling - what on earth is making you put Sue Storm with Thor and Wolverine?misterprickly said:
As for DC and Superpowers/No Superpowers, it's not that simple either. I'll go back to Green Lantern again - he has superpowers that come from an external source. Take it away, he's a human being again. He's a human being first, super powered being second. Wonder Woman and Superman are Super Powered beings first, human beings second. There are something like what, 5 human Green Lanterns? Why? Because the power can be transferred to another person. Superman can't do that - you can "clone" him, you can do other insane things to him to make more supermen, but in the end the power isn't being passed on. It's a fundamental difference between GL and Superman that creates the need for an additional category for DC.
Either Archie or Calvin & Hobbes. Actually, that's another great No Right Answer. No need to thank me, just give me money.