No Right Answer: Best Kevin Smith Film Ever

snd_dsgnr

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Does anyone else get the same vibe from people saying Clerks is Smith's best work that you get from people who drop bands they previously liked as soon as they get any kind of mainstream success?

Dogma's the better movie, and the arguments made for Dogma in the video are far more convincing IMO.
 

Crimson_Dragoon

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Gotta go with Dogma on this one. The scene with Chris Rock explaining the difference between belief and ideas still sticks with me to this day. Just a brilliant movie altogether.
 

Lyri

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loc978 said:
...Both great films, but mostly just quirky and fun. Smith was at his best when he wrote Chasing Amy. The man is great at telling stories about interpersonal conflicts. He tried to recapture that feeling with Zack and Miri Make a Porno, which was good... but didn't really live up to his old work.
+1

Chasing Amy is the winner here, it is Kevin Smith at his greatest.
 

ritchards

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I think a better NRA challenge would have been Cop Out vs Red State...
 

Croaker42

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Furbyz said:
I'm a big Red State fan. Movie Bob's review of that was criminal imo. I absolutely loved that film and wish he'd had the budget to make it exactly how he wanted. It's definitely his best film that isn't a comedy by virtue of being the only one thus far. :D
Oh yeah. Red State was way above the bar in what I expected. I also really enjoyed hearing about how he went about funding and marketing the movie on his podcasts.
 

The Hungry Samurai

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Crimson_Dragoon said:
Gotta go with Dogma on this one. The scene with Chris Rock explaining the difference between belief and ideas still sticks with me to this day. Just a brilliant movie altogether.
I totally agree. That wasn't just good dialogue, that was a brilliant message to people of all faiths. Dogma managed to combine a multitude of heavy messages like this with bathroom humor, massive violence, Jay, Silent Bob and Alan Rickman.

That is a kind of movie magic that should not be ignored.

Clerks on the other hand was a very well written indie flick with some very lukewarm acting performances. I wouldn't have it any other way but I've always considered Dogma as much of an epic challenge to comedic filmmaking, as Avengers was to the comic movie genre, and just as successful.
 

RJ 17

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Why was this even up for debate? Dogma auto-loses because of Ben "Butt-Chin" Affleck. :p

My favorite Kevin Smith movie really is a toss-up between Clerks and Clerks 2. They've both so incredibly good for their own reasons. One of my favorite gags in Clerks was the running joke of having random people come in every now and then to buy a pack of smokes. But then again, Clerks 2 features the whole Porch Monkey scene and has Jay doing the penis-tuck from Silence of the Lambs. :3

And lets not forget Randal's flawless description of the Lord of the Rings trilogy. :p
 

Sovereignty

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Ahahahahahahah,

Voice in Chris' head:
"Even better than Clerks?"

Chris answers himself:
"Yes!"


His random outbursts at times in the show make PERFECT sense now! He's answering his own internal questions!!!! Finally the mystery is solved!
 

Mike Kayatta

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Hmmm, at least for what I've seen of his work, I'm going with ... Clerks > Mallrats > Dogma > Chasing Amy > Clerks II > Zak & Miri Make a Porno > Red State
 

Ferrious

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Given that Dogma has that absolutely amazing scene with the Metatron standing on the lake and laying out the incredibly sadness that he and God feel at subjecting mortals (and part-mortal, in the case of Jesus) to suffering to save the many, which is one of my favourite scenes in any film, it has to be Dogma. It also manages to be funny as all hell while carrying such a solid message about the nature of faith.

Well, that or Chasing Amy - the scene with the long take when he confesses his love is just perfect, and the gut-punch of inserting Jay and Bob at the absolute low-point of the film just had me going "No. Not these two. Not now.".
 

the7ofswords

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Of the two, I think Dogma is the better, however I think Chasing Amy is his best work to date.

~Cheers!
 

SonicWaffle

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Greg Tito said:
Not even the best Kevin Smith movie ... the best comedy of the 90s. I still don't understand why he didn't continue making movies like that.
Because it wasn't that great. Certainly it was funny, far from the hideous mess that was Strike Back, which nearly choked to death on its own in-jokes, but Mallrats just wasn't that good of a film. It seemed to be taking a middle ground between Clerks (largely down to earth with some ridiculous moments, but mostly composed of pop-culture dissection and chatting bullshit) and his later films which relied much more on fart and dick jokes. Mallrats was neither one thing nor t'other, and suffered for it.
 

SonicWaffle

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Boudica said:
I'm the only person that's never heard of Kevin Smith? Boy do I feel like a loser.
Holy shit, Bou. You've nearly got a higher post count than me now!

Do you ever do anything besides comment here? :p
 

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snd_dsgnr said:
Does anyone else get the same vibe from people saying Clerks is Smith's best work that you get from people who drop bands they previously liked as soon as they get any kind of mainstream success?
Not really, no - plenty of bands peak with their first album and spend a long time trying to live up to it. Have The Killers even bettered their debut? Did RAtM (much as I love Evil Empire) ever outdo their eponymous album? Even Led Zeppelin, who are utterly fantastic and can do no wrong, probably had their strongest album the first time out.

The same goes for some film-makers. In Smith's case, immediately after making his best film, he started lowering his standards. Sure Clerks has crude jokes, but they at least had more to them than "hey, look, a dick! Those are inherently funny!". His work gradually got worse over the years, though Clerks 2 was enjoyable just because of Randall and how horrible of a person he is.
 

Baldr

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Clerks, but Dogma would be a close second, then Mallrats: The Directors Cut(Seriously it like watching a different movie)
 

doublenix

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Anyone else feel like the cuts to the images were way too fast and more frequent than previous episodes?