No Right Answer: Living with Depression

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Thank you for this. Its strange how important an internet show episode from two complete strangers can feel like.

Personally...I wish you luck with the medicine, but be careful. Be very careful.

I was put on antidepressants by my doctor and the results were one of the most horrifying experiences of my life. I encourage everyone to let medication be your last resort. Try therapy, try exercise, try just talking about it a lot with a trusted friend. If you just cant shake it...the medication will always be there, but be careful about it.

The brain is a tender instrument. Messing with chemical mood modification is a slippery slope.
 

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Sadly, North America has an incredibly simplistic and apathetic view towards depression. A large majority of people would rather pretend it doesn't exist or that it's simply a case of the blues, including medical professionals. I had depression for almost 2 years, and I stopped seeking professional help because all they did was brush me off and trivialize the issue. I never wanted drugs, I just wanted someone to talk to me about it. Anyway, I leave you with this comic, which I think describes the feeling of depression pretty well, at least for me.

http://imgur.com/gallery/0VnF3
 

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This was a grand episode. :) Thank you.

I've been depressed a few times in the past, and I can tell you this. You hit the nail right on the head when it comes to being alone with depression. Not just not being around people all the time. Sometimes that's what ya need for a little while. Rather, not letting people know, and keeping yourself isolated in your own head.

Being alone like that, your thoughts really get to you, and there's noting really to stop them sometimes. You feel like you're getting wrapped up and dragged down by it all.

I know it's hard, but you have to tell people about it. That's the only way you can really get help.
Not just meds, not just counseling, but people who will listen to you because they care.

It's very unfortunate that even in this day and age that people still look down on mental issues as something that either doesn't really matter, or needs to be ALWAYS dealt with by separating the people with the issues from "the rest"[sub](Because who never had any mental troubles?)[/sub], or worse yet, ignoring the problems completely.

That NEEDS to change if things are ever going to get better.

Again, thank you for doing this. :)
 

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Thanks NoRiAns. I've made a lot of misteps in being a supportive partner to someone who is depressed and your perspective helped a lot.
 

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tzimize said:
Personally...I wish you luck with the medicine, but be careful. Be very careful.

I was put on antidepressants by my doctor and the results were one of the most horrifying experiences of my life. I encourage everyone to let medication be your last resort. Try therapy, try exercise, try just talking about it a lot with a trusted friend. If you just cant shake it...the medication will always be there, but be careful about it.

The brain is a tender instrument. Messing with chemical mood modification is a slippery slope.
I totally agree that you should be careful with meds and that messing with your brain is a big deal, but I'm not sure I agree with the slippery slope bit and just wanted to extend this a bit from personal experience in case anyone's reading this who might find it helpful.

Not all psych meds work the same on everyone, and you shouldn't really write off all antidepressants because one type didn't work for you. Now believe me, I've been on all sorts of antidepressants, antipsychotics and mood stabilisers over the last few years and have had some truly horrendous side effects, but I'd say all that was worth it to eventually find the meds that work for me.

We just don't know enough about the brain to know how individuals will react to any given drug. That's why I'm reluctant to name the drugs I've had my worst experiences with, because that was just my experience and I was unlucky, and those same drugs will work amazingly for other people and I don't want to put them off with internet horror stories.

So yeah, I'd say good luck with the meds, but be aware that it's likely to be a long period of trial and error before you find the right ones (or not, you might get lucky after all). Also try and get a prescription from a specialist (ie a psychiatrist) if at all possible. They just have way more knowledge of these things than a general doctor.
 

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tzimize said:
Thank you for this. Its strange how important an internet show episode from two complete strangers can feel like.

Personally...I wish you luck with the medicine, but be careful. Be very careful.

I was put on antidepressants by my doctor and the results were one of the most horrifying experiences of my life. I encourage everyone to let medication be your last resort. Try therapy, try exercise, try just talking about it a lot with a trusted friend. If you just cant shake it...the medication will always be there, but be careful about it.

The brain is a tender instrument. Messing with chemical mood modification is a slippery slope.
This is very, very true.
I used to work at [company withheld] which is one of the largest health science companies in the world. We had strong ties to both hospitals and pharmaceutical companies and we were privy to a lot of medical studies and hospital statistics.

The problem is there is no one chemical imbalance which causes depression; it can be a multitude of things and factors. Doctor's either can't find out (due to sheer medical impracticability) or don't care enough to find out what your particular imbalance is (Trust me, a lot of doctors really don't about you). Instead, they are perfectly willing to just throw medication down your throat to see what works. The issue is things like SSRI's can have incredibly horrible effects if misprescribed. They can also cause very long term damage if taken frequently for too long.

I no longer work at that company, but the amount of shit I learned about the medical industry was horrifying (for example, about half of cancer patients are on treatment that is wrong for them).
 

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One of the problems with communicating depression is that it's not always the right time to talk about depression. Talk isn't always the answer, and when you're depressed it might be a much better idea to have some fun rather than discuss these issues, especially when the other person in the conversation might not be equipped to deal with it.

So, I think that's a third side to the "cheer up" and "oh my god, no" dichotomy. Even an earnest and caring response is not always ideal.

It's a very tricky balance, because when you meet people, you both want them to know about your situation, but you also don't want it to become the one defining thing about you, and have it ruin other chances for social interaction.

The thing about suicide and depression is also thorny, but I think that this comes down to the different kinds of depression, or at least how people relate to it, particularly on the chronic/manic divide. I think people with chronic depression or bipolar issues are much more likely to suicide than those with chronic conditions. In many ways, the different types of depression are completely different problems, yet we lump them all under the one label of "depression" or "mental illnesses" because we don't have a good vocabulary to discuss them. This, I think, can be another flaw in talking about it, because even if someone else has also suffered depression, they might have a vastly different conception of it and ways of dealing with it.
 

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tzimize said:
Personally...I wish you luck with the medicine, but be careful. Be very careful.

I was put on antidepressants by my doctor and the results were one of the most horrifying experiences of my life. I encourage everyone to let medication be your last resort. Try therapy, try exercise, try just talking about it a lot with a trusted friend. If you just cant shake it...the medication will always be there, but be careful about it.

The brain is a tender instrument. Messing with chemical mood modification is a slippery slope.
I totally agree that you should be careful with meds and that messing with your brain is a big deal, but I'm not sure I agree with the slippery slope bit and just wanted to extend this a bit from personal experience in case anyone's reading this who might find it helpful.

Not all psych meds work the same on everyone, and you shouldn't really write off all antidepressants because one type didn't work for you. Now believe me, I've been on all sorts of antidepressants, antipsychotics and mood stabilisers over the last few years and have had some truly horrendous side effects, but I'd say all that was worth it to eventually find the meds that work for me.

We just don't know enough about the brain to know how individuals will react to any given drug. That's why I'm reluctant to name the drugs I've had my worst experiences with, because that was just my experience and I was unlucky, and those same drugs will work amazingly for other people and I don't want to put them off with internet horror stories.

So yeah, I'd say good luck with the meds, but be aware that it's likely to be a long period of trial and error before you find the right ones (or not, you might get lucky after all). Also try and get a prescription from a specialist (ie a psychiatrist) if at all possible. They just have way more knowledge of these things than a general doctor.
True enough. However, I'd like to explain a bit of my own experience.

I had a pretty long, horrendous bout of depression last year. Over time my doctor wanted to get me on antidepressants, I did not want to, but at some point I realized that this probably wouldnt get better (at least it felt that way) and that either I tried everything, or I would lose everything.

The first medication I took made me filled with energy. I could not stop tapping my foot, and I didnt sleep very well. My mood was just a low hum in the back of my brain, but I felt a bit more angsty and panicky than before. My doctor added another medication to balance it out, and it made me drowsy. I slept like a dead person, but it didnt feel like I ever really woke up.

What I had left of my sex drive vanished, and I actually lost control of my Johnson. I remember at some point my girlfriend (bless her heart) was so devastated since she couldnt help me (or even give me sexual release) that she started crying.

My junk was literally junk and SHE was crying. I didnt really care. I realized I didnt care about that, and I didnt manage to care about her reaction or how she felt. It was partly wonderful, not having to feel anything, and it was partly...strangely horrifying. I didnt really feel horrified, but I KNEW in my head that I SHOULD be, and that I should feel empathy and sympathy towards the single most important person in my life. But I felt nothing.

It is absolutely impossible to describe accurately how that was. KNOWING I should be horrified at my situation and KNOWING I should feel awful (and I would be RIGHT to, for once) but feel nothing. And I was suddenly terrified I might kill myself since I might not even feel anything about that.

So, I stopped taking medication. It has been a long and fucking hard road back. Fortunately I've had a workplace interested in keeping me around and fitting work to me, so I can come back slowly, and I've had a girlfriend with some kind of superpower to keep on her feet. I'm not well. I still feel awful from time to time, and I'm very scared it will never go away. But I'd rather feel miserable, than be emotionally dead.

Its quite possible I might have found better meds, but its also possible I'd have found worse ones. And I honestly dont know if I'd still be around if I did. So be careful. Having a PHD or whatever its called is usually not enough to know someones mind.
 
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Great show guys, thanks.

I have been having a lot of trouble over the last 3 months and this was a fantastic help. My situation is great in life, but I am of course, very unhappy with it. I do have one person who is very supportive and some great friends I have made since I moved here. (( I am quite far north in an oilfield town, FSJ british Columbia)) I have been loathe to tell my friends for teh exact reasons you mentioned of extreems. I will discuss it more, with some of these friends and see if I can get back to my usually more content state of being.

I do see now though that this has beena long term part of who I am, and as Chris said, have become so used to identifying as "Depressive, occassionally rather moody," that I wasn't considering teh possibility that I was simply depressed. At least untill this December when I finally said to my Mother, "I think I am depressed."

Super helpful, and I am sorry about Jew Wario's unfortunate tragedy. Feel good about yourselves because I think this has helped many many people more tha will comment here.

-Shamus Moloney { aka SilverSidedSquirrel )

PS Depression CAN eat a bag of dicks!
 

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I registered an account just to comment on here. I can't thank you enough for talking about this. As cliché as it sounds it's great to know that I'm not alone in this. I live in a place where the cultural psyche is that depression is held in near-physical contempt, and although I know that the view is warped it's hard to manage it sometimes. I identify a lot with the fact that depression becomes an almost integral part of you, which isn't something I've ever read about, thank you for putting this into words.
 

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tzimize said:
True enough. However, I'd like to explain a bit of my own experience.

I had a pretty long, horrendous bout of depression last year. Over time my doctor wanted to get me on antidepressants, I did not want to, but at some point I realized that this probably wouldnt get better (at least it felt that way) and that either I tried everything, or I would lose everything.

The first medication I took made me filled with energy. I could not stop tapping my foot, and I didnt sleep very well. My mood was just a low hum in the back of my brain, but I felt a bit more angsty and panicky than before. My doctor added another medication to balance it out, and it made me drowsy. I slept like a dead person, but it didnt feel like I ever really woke up.

What I had left of my sex drive vanished, and I actually lost control of my Johnson. I remember at some point my girlfriend (bless her heart) was so devastated since she couldnt help me (or even give me sexual release) that she started crying.

My junk was literally junk and SHE was crying. I didnt really care. I realized I didnt care about that, and I didnt manage to care about her reaction or how she felt. It was partly wonderful, not having to feel anything, and it was partly...strangely horrifying. I didnt really feel horrified, but I KNEW in my head that I SHOULD be, and that I should feel empathy and sympathy towards the single most important person in my life. But I felt nothing.

It is absolutely impossible to describe accurately how that was. KNOWING I should be horrified at my situation and KNOWING I should feel awful (and I would be RIGHT to, for once) but feel nothing. And I was suddenly terrified I might kill myself since I might not even feel anything about that.

So, I stopped taking medication. It has been a long and fucking hard road back. Fortunately I've had a workplace interested in keeping me around and fitting work to me, so I can come back slowly, and I've had a girlfriend with some kind of superpower to keep on her feet. I'm not well. I still feel awful from time to time, and I'm very scared it will never go away. But I'd rather feel miserable, than be emotionally dead.

Its quite possible I might have found better meds, but its also possible I'd have found worse ones. And I honestly dont know if I'd still be around if I did. So be careful. Having a PHD or whatever its called is usually not enough to know someones mind.
I have massive sympathy for you and your experience, and I'm glad things are looking better now. I too have had to come off meds abruptly because of unbearable side effects, so I really do sympathise. I guess the difference between us is that you decided to try other methods while I carried on trying different drugs. The reason I did that was because I knew that unmedicated bipolar disorder would be just as bad as any side effects, and eventually kill me, no question. That said, bipolar is a very different beast from depression (I was initially treated for depression before the bipolar diagnosis) and absolutely does require medication in an overwhelming majority of cases.

I'm in no way trying to prove you wrong, I just always like to offer an alternative viewpoint to positions like yours because I remember using the internet a hell of a lot when I was figuring all this stuff out, and I want anyone in the same position who happens to stumble across this to see both sides.

It seems the best advice for anyone reading this is to be aware of yourself, your condition and your situation as much as possible. Ultimately you have to figure out what's best for you.
 

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This has been a great video and thank you so much for this. I have been suffering with depression and anxiety since I was in my late preteens and it's a subject that often isn't spoken about much within my family and certain people who just think it's a "phase". Just like one of the guys said, sorry I don't remember the name I apologise, I told a youth leader at my church that I was suffering with depressing his answer was, are you praying or are you praying enough? I can tell he didn't know how to respond to me saying I had depression because he was a close friend and I honestly had to answer back saying no matter how hard I try, it doesn't fully help.

Even when I do something that is fun, there are moments where I still feel down and that I have to put on a fake smile even though deep down, I can't. Personally I am still scared to tell many people I know because I don't want to burden anyone or have them overreact and treat me differently as if I will snap or something if they say anything. It took me a while to speak to my doctor and a therapist about everything.

A relative even openly said, and at this point they don't know I suffer with depression, "well a person who is Christian shouldn't be depressed, they aren't being a good Christian". He made that comment after a report on the news about those who are discriminated against at the work place for having a mental health issue. I weren't just shocked at what was said and didn't say anything in response. My family can be very religious and later found out some thought the same thing to what my cousin said.

The subject of depression and other forms of mental health should be spoken about more to give everyone an understand into what it's really about because it often feels intimidating for someone with that mental health to talk about their situation, without a few in society thinking you are either overreacting or you should "get over it". Or worse think you are a bad person or coward... I hate when people say that so much.
 
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SirBryghtside said:
Thanks for making this - a lot of it resonated with me personally :) I've started coming to terms with the idea that I might be depressed thanks to people like you, and I'm starting to work out how to deal with it - a little less crippling social anxiety would help on the whole 'talking to people about it' front, but I'll get there :p




^5 Bryghtside. You managed to say it much more consiseley than I. I am in the same position, and I too am encouraged to talk to more people now.
 

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Eamar said:
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I have massive sympathy for you and your experience, and I'm glad things are looking better now. I too have had to come off meds abruptly because of unbearable side effects, so I really do sympathise. I guess the difference between us is that you decided to try other methods while I carried on trying different drugs. The reason I did that was because I knew that unmedicated bipolar disorder would be just as bad as any side effects, and eventually kill me, no question. That said, bipolar is a very different beast from depression (I was initially treated for depression before the bipolar diagnosis) and absolutely does require medication in an overwhelming majority of cases.

I'm in no way trying to prove you wrong, I just always like to offer an alternative viewpoint to positions like yours because I remember using the internet a hell of a lot when I was figuring all this stuff out, and I want anyone in the same position who happens to stumble across this to see both sides.

It seems the best advice for anyone reading this is to be aware of yourself, your condition and your situation as much as possible. Ultimately you have to figure out what's best for you.
I'll return the sympathies and add some well-wishing :)

One of my best friends is bi-polar so I have some off-hand experience with that beast as well, and you're correct, especially severe bi-polarity is very dangerous stuff.

In any case, a video like this brings up many interesting experiences, and if someone can learn something none of it is wasted. Thanks for sharing. And a thanks again to No Right answer for a great episode.
 

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I agree we have to find our own identities in order to deal with our own depressions. So mine might be very different from what may or may not be the norm. And its not "intended as debate" & shouldn't be.

I had first acknowledged I was depressed back when my mom decided to move from Sidney to another town. I eventually ended up in BOCES. My mom eventually decided to move from that town to basically the middle of nowhere.

During my early teen years there was no Good Crowd to be a part of. Around Home it was just hang out with 2 other guys my age who want to backyard wrestle or play video games. I eventually stopped hanging with those 2 & became anti-social at home. Where I would still have to deal with the yelling between my mom & half sister.

I eventually got out of BOCES & another school before I could finally go to local schools. My improvement there basically stops. Part of that was still because I was a nervous wreck.

To a point where I would unintentionally destroy pencil lead when in art class. And since the other art students would be angry at me for doing this I eventually lose interest in me doing art. (Half my life later despite having drawing supplies I still fear destroying pencil lead.)

Not really out of depression but for my own sense of belonging I made my own little bully group named after The nWo WolfPac. It ultimately fell apart due to clashing views as well as everyone having the hots for this girl who was dating one of the other members of the group.

During my late teens I was told I was going to graduate with an IEP & if I wanted a chance at going to college I would need to get a GED. So I eventually ended up going back to BOCES for my GED. I didn't get get my GED until 21 because most of the class was held back a year because of an absent student.

If it weren't for that I could've avoided my awkward crush feeling I had for this girl. So when that eventually unraveled everything I thought was between us was just coincidental. It got so bad that she ended up spreading a rumor that I was a rapist. And I didn't try to stop talking to her until I had a school counselor tell me if I continued I'd get arrested for Harassment.

So finally the GED years are over! And I can move on with my ability to now get into a college that will teach me how to make Video Games! No. At this same time my mom decided to move back to Sidney to a 2 bedroom apartment instead of the 3 bedroom trailer we lived in.

And once that was over my mom started to really limit my future for the sake of having me live nearby. She wanted to throw out my stuff & make me homeless. She belittled me when compared to my cousins who got to grow up in Sidney. She acted like she knew what I was going through during my last GED year when she didn't. And finally she bribed me.

In my mind I had to choose between going for a future I wanted but could also leave me homeless or doing as she wanted & hoping that she would reveal more to me about my last GED year where I had a crush on a girl that I was hoping I could still be her boyfriend eventually. I went with the latter for fear of being Homeless & wanting to be with that girl.

I ended up moving to Oneonta where my goals shifted from wanting to make Video Games to finding a way to at least become a "professional wrestler" indie wrestler. I never got anywhere near to touching this goal. I ended up quitting because my manager at my "learning job" wouldn't stop harassing me about my hair & pants. When I'd tell him why not to he'd just belittle me & say that was just High School.

I eventually quit when I had to start taking my SSI checks directly. I did go back but it didn't last long because my learning job that I thought would help me get a real job didn't. They stated if they wouldn't help me get a job a 2nd time then there was no reason for them to help me get a job the 1st time. So I was never going to be able to get anywhere near a "professional wrestling school" without making th risk of becoming homeless.

During my time living in Oneonta I became Atheist. My becoming Atheist was in part of avoiding my stronger suicidal urges. God wasn't revealing himself to me & telling me & whoever else that we are Soul Mates. Or why putting me through all this stress wouldn't make me want to go to hell & get this life over with it. I only have this life to live & I'm not going to get another one in a heaven, hell, or where ever.

After I became 27 I found out that girl I had a crush on months ago was arrested for Harassment. Finally accepting the fact my mom didn't know what I was going through I decided 2011 would be the year to finally get a real job, a real girlfriend, & finally live "the normal life". My 2011 was my year of insanity. Every time I was finally ready to move on with my life another issue with my finances or apartment came up. Fear of becoming Homeless ended up being most of the year. I gained 20 pounds.

In 2012 my mom decided without my want to do so to celebrate my belated 28th birthday. Where in part I ended up screaming & cursing because I wasn't happy with the previous year. I cut my mom out of my life after that though she still tries to force her way in. The rest of 2012 was stressful due to it being an election year & the plausibility of Mitt Romney canceling SSI. I gained another 20 pounds.

I also tried to start my own Non Religious in Oneonta Meet Up on 12/22/2012, but couldn't find anyone that actually lived in Oneonta. That meet up group expired 01/22/2014. 2012 was also the year I helped fund Ouya hoping I could finally learn how to make video games. But the kind of video games I would want to make I wouldn't be able to once Ouya decided to sell at retail. So my Ouya is nothing more than a brown paperweight.

In 2013 my half sister came back into my life. But all she did was try to ham fist our mom back into my life. I stopped talking to her because she refused not to do that. I gained 40 pounds.

So its now 2014. As of last year I'm now a 30 year old virgin. I made a bigger deal out of being a 20 year old virgin so meh. Even if I had the chance to have sex I wouldn't want it because I don't trust anyone in that way. My mind is now somewhat focused on Steam Machine or a HP PC that runs Windows 7. I'll probably take one last crack at trying to learn how to make video games. And when that fails I suppose I'll just settle for what little I already have.
 

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I think I need to show this one to people around me...
You are so right about the fear of the two extremes, and it has made me hide it as much as possible.
Also that it's a part of ones identity.

The way I see it, there is two types of depression. One you fall into if/when something happens, and one you have been in as long as you can remember. Don't think either is better/worse than the other, but they work differently.
If you have been depressed for all, or the majority of your life, that's the life you know. It's hard to imagine anything else, and the thought that there may not be anything else is sort of crushing.
However if you have been "normal"/"happy" (you know what I mean), and then fall into a depressed state, you will have something to compare to, which can make things worse.


In my case, It's not that everything is so terrible, or anything bad happened in the past. I just don't see the point in anything, never have. The more I learn the less I care, as it all seems more and more insignificant. We are just a speck of dust, flying through vacum on this tiny rock, and we can't even figure out if it's real.
Even killing myself is utterly pointless, so why do it? I'll die eventually anyways, and then we'll see what happens.

I've been trying to find the best way to describe it, and I have been working on this metaphor I kinda like.

It's like being trapped in a room, and in this room there is all the food you could ever think of. Everyone are stuffing their face and eating, having a good time. While I walk around, too sick to even wanna smell food. But people don't care, they force me to at least try this and try that. So I do, smile and keep walking.
I could leave this room, but would never be able to return. So if I one day would be hungry I'd be screwd.
Then there is the thought that, maybe, somewhere, there is a dish that does not make me wanna throw up.

At least I seem to make people around me happy, so I must be doing something right.
 

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So many thanks to you both.

You have managed to articulate so clearly, the confusion of misery of, all too familiar, cycels.

Amazing work.

All the best!
 

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I am glad you made this video, it's much more eloquent than how I could have phrased my identical problem. Just make sure you get help when it creeps back in your life.
 

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Firefilm said:
DISCLAIMER: This may be disturbing to read at times, but this is the story of my struggle with depression and has never been shared the completely before. Typing this has been hard, but also cathartic. By sharing this, I hope that at least one other person can find themselves sharing my thoughts and struggles and know that they are not alone, and that I survived it, so maybe they can too.

I remember the first time I thought about killing myself. It was in the third grade, which in retrospect seems tragically young, but I'm not entirely sure about anybody else's personal timeline in dealing with depression. The beginning of my problems came at such a young age that I can't even identify it, but before starting school even, with my parent's using me as a tool in their back and forth battle with each other. I was made to spy, I was made to lie and eventually choose. Anxiety, guilt, sadness... I was too young to understand any of it, but my mind was being bombarded by these feelings for as long as my memory goes back. But that was simply the foundation that would later become my full on depression and lead to my first suicidal thoughts.

In third grade I was a quiet, geeky kid. I kept mostly to myself in school and had no friends. I was actually content in this state, but kids being what they are, I wasn't able to blend in forever. I still remember the name of the first kid who bullied me, Adam DeLuca, he was a popular kid, played basketball if I remember correctly, and presumably saw me as an easy target. As he began to pick on me, it became more and more accepted to the point where all the kids would do it because it was the cool thing to do, it was how they got accepted. Soon, it lead to me avoiding recess altogether, forcing myself to throw up to go to the nurse's office everyday. These day's, that would raise a flag, but back then, nothing was done.

My mom, who had spent the majority of her life also battling depression, recognized the symptoms and to her credit, did a lot to try and help. I was soon involved in any activity that might help me socialize, I played tuba, I was in school plays, choir, my mom chaperoned field trips... Looking back, understanding how kids work and what makes you "cool" I now realize that all of those things were only making it worse. But at the time I didn't understand it, I didn't know what was so wrong with me that I was an outcast. In my mind, I went through everything, searching for what made me different, what made me a target. I was a nice kid, smart, kept to myself mostly. It didn't make sense. I hadn't done anything wrong... And they didn't even care that they were hurting me. but I would make them care, I thought. If they saw me kill myself, they would know what they had done, they would regret having hurt someone who did nothing to them. At this moment, suicide was simply a solution, an answer to a problem, something to fantasize about that would make them stop being the people they were. This fantasy was only further romanticized by my involvement in the church. I remember feeling like Jesus dying to save the sinners was the most noble thing a person could do, and thought that my dying to change their minds was just as noble. But again, suicide was just an answer to a problem, and the following year when my mother moved to Wyoming, I moved in with my father, in a new school with new people. It changed the equation, i didn't have to fantasize about killing myself anymore, because I had a new opportunity. But what I couldn't have realized is that the damage was already done.

The biggest change in the new school was that I was now going to school with my step-brother, who was everything I was not. He was skinny and athletic, moderately popular and had even had girlfriends before. I thought that this would somehow elevate my own social standing in this new place, but as I said, the damages were already done. My standing wouldn't change because I was already that quiet, awkward, overweight kid. I didn't get picked on this time around, but I wasn't liked or even noticed. Where before, I was content to blend into the background, just blending in no longer made me feel content. I think that my expectations of change and the subsequent let down of those expectations led me further down into depression and once again, i began having thoughts of suicide. but this time was different. I wasn't fantasizing about righting wrongs, changing minds, or making a statement. I just wanted to let go. I didn't want to feel anything anymore, because even anything that made me happy was poisoned by the overwhelming depression. This continued until the 8th grade, when things finally made a "positive" turn.

7th grade was a nondescript year, except for the fact that I lived in Wyoming for that year with my mom, which was the year Columbine happened. As that story came out, I empathized with those kids. I didn't idolize Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, I was a nice kid, I wouldn't MURDER anybody, but i knew what they went through and understood how they felt. I personally felt what it's like to be physically and mentally and emotionally tortured while the adults in charge did nothing at best and at worst suggested it might be my fault for not fitting in. Maybe as a result of that, subconsciously, outward violence became a proven solution, because the following year, 8th grade I finally got the respect (or fear) that I'd wanted when I threw a desk, chased a kid through homeroom, knocked the teacher over and had the kid cornered until the principal came in and pinned me against a wall. They saw that I couldn't be picked on anymore, and that lead to some kind of acceptance. For the first time, things were looking up, but I didn't FEEL any better. They only tolerated me because they feared me. But i still wasn't LIKED, and that distinction matters. I saw the most simple and mindless kids being the most popular, and couldn't comprehend. (what i didn't realize it that, even today, that's the way of the world. don't believe me? watch MTV for any length of time...) It made me bitter and frustrated with not only myself for not being "good" enough for the mindless majority, but at the state of the world itself for being so shallow and unfair. Having never left, my suicidal tendencies now wore a different mask. I was above this world, I would never lower myself to their standards, and would rather die than be a part of it. I stayed stuck in this for the following two years. Until 10th grade, when my life took another hard restart.

I discovered two things in 10th grade: drugs and punk rock. Both made my place in the world more tolerable, and I started to think more positively about the who I was, and my role on earth. Punk rock showed me that the frustration I was facing with the state of the world wasn't just mine. There was entire movement of people who saw the world for the shallow, damaged place it was. We didn't have a solution, but we had identified the problem, and that was a relief beyond anything I've felt since. As for Marijuana (the only drug I had tried at that time), it was an instant relief. I no longer cared about... anything. the things i liked got that much better, the things I didn't like no longer mattered. It was perfect. Until I was no longer high. Again, what I couldn't have known at the time was that the temporary patch of drugs only served to make my sober-time extremes that much worse. When I was sober, I was now more depressed in my down-cycles than before. Whether this was chemicals or the frustration of knowing there was a solution that i didn't currently possess, I'm still not entirely sure. So the solution became simple enough: stay high. And I did. For most of high-school in fact. This would have unforeseen consequences once I got grounded in reality years later, but it didn't matter then.

This is getting exceptionally wordy, so lets fast-forward to the end of high-school. As a punk, i had given up on society and what it expected of me. The teachers who knew me saw the unlimited potential, the strong mind and the will to change the world. The ones who didn't saw only a lazy, pissed off kid going nowhere. I dropped out of school, knowing that world was so fucked that their piece of paper stating that I met their minimum standards of intelligence meant nothing to me and wouldn't change the world. I was proud and defiant as I went to each teacher and had them sign the withdrawal form. Then I turned it into my guidance counselor, a man who I had talked to over the past 4 years about nearly everything. he was intelligent, non-judgemental, and was honestly rooting for me the whole time. but when i turned in the slip, i saw the look in his eyes. I had let him down. He had given up on me. I walked out of his office and went into a one-person bathroom, locked the door and cried. It was the first time that the real world had caught up to me in years. what had i done? I was smarter than most people in my school, and i threw it away. The solutions I had held onto for years had become problems of their own. I should have graduated, should have had great grades, should have done anything. Instead, my ongoing battle with depression was at the forefront of every action I took. But I still had a small piece of hope. By the end of highschool, i had the most amazing girlfriend, someone who understood me at nearly every level, or would go well out of her way to understand. She truly loved me. And I loved her, but depression would claim that relationship as well.

Amber was a hard working girl, went to college a year early, worked full time as a server, and always had time for me and her family, nobody left wanting. she seemingly effortless glided through any obstacle in front of her, and from the beginning i knew somebody like me did not deserve a girl that amazing. By this point, my depression had again taken on a different mask. As an intellectual punk rocker, I found myself raging about social injustices, and it was through that filter that my depression justified itself and my self-loathing. I couldn't be happy, why should I be? I'm a semi-privileged first-worlder that had everything going for him and threw it all away. Why do I deserve comfort and happiness when there are better people out there who would do whatever it took to have a fraction of the opportunity I did? And furthermore, allowing myself to be content in a broken world is consent by inaction. If I was happy, I had no motive to change anything. So that's why I wasn't happy. Again, it had justified itself.

Three and a half years later, in the midst of an anxiety attack fueled by my own insecurities, I lost that relationship. The one anchor that had kept me relatively sane while fighting off demons. In one moment, in one utterance, I changed the entire trajectory of my life. An action that to this day is the most prevalent thought when I'm dealing with a wave of depression. This is the first time I've been honest about what happened that day. But the truth of it was that, while battling a fairly serious anxiety attack (something she had unknowingly helped me through many times before), I threatened her. Not her directly, I threatened to attack her car. I still don't know what that was, it was so far beyond anything that I had ever done or thought, and instantly regretted it. That wasn't me in that moment, and if demonic possession were a real thing, that's honestly as close to an explanation as I can relate to. That moment lead to the hardest, darkest years of my life, and eventually, some sort of contentment.

That breakup changed my life forever. At first, I fell into a dangerously nihilistic suicidal depression. There were no more masks or justifications. I wanted to die because of who i was. I wanted to die because of who I could have been. I wanted to die because of those that I had hurt. I was working for my father at that time for the family business as a mechanic. After the breakup, more and more I quit showing up to work or showed up hours late. Even when I did show up, I spent so little time working that eventually my own father had no choice but to fire me, further feeding my depression. It was at this time I was introduced to Oxycontin 80mg. An old friend of mine had been snorting them for some time and my roommates wanted me to get them some, so i did. At this point I was drinking a half gallon of vodka every 1-3 days, depending on what else was going on. When my friend suggested i try the Oxy out, i could think of no reason not to, and found a new kind of numb. I wasn't happy, but i wasn't anything else either. Then the reality of that drug and my lifestyle and my where i had landed all came into focus. I had a plan. I was going to overdose on oxycontin.

I had been searching for a blameless way to kill myself for years. right around 8th grade when suicide was no longer a statement, but an escape, my fantasies became more about being killed by a passing car, or murdered, or any number of things that let me die without placing the blame on myself. I went to school with kids who died of overdoses, and invariably, there was a bit of blame on the deceased, but ultimately, the blame was placed on the drug, the dealers, the peers, the depression that may have lead them to drugs in the first place. It seemed the perfect answer. I prepared everything, even went as far as to finish the suicide note i had begun writing shortly after the breakup. Then when the day came, I got two for myself, instead of the usual one. I was already halfway through a half gallon of White Tavern (cheap vodka around here) and snorted both of the pills at once, sure that it was enough to do the job. And maybe it was. But i survived.

I remember thinking "i am dying. in minutes, i will be dead." Physically, my body had quit breathing on it's own. I had to purposely think of breathing. It had to be the action I was doing out of volition, not instinct. But my mind was so distant and numbed that even thinking about breathing became a difficult and labored task. But I was doing it. I wanted to die, and could have, and would have, but I was actively resisting it. Why? Even today, I'm still not sure. That was the only actual attempt I have ever made, though after that, there were a few times where I repeated that same cycle. I didn't care if I lived or died, but while I was conscious and able to make the decision, I chose life.

One of the last serious crises i had was 2 years ago after a whole lot of my life had again fallen apart around me. On a whim i dialed 1-800-SUICIDE to discover it was exactly what I hoped it was, the suicide prevention hotline. But this experience quickly became a terrible mistake that nearly lead me down that path for the final time. When I called, I was obviously upset, and the lady on the other end said something to the effect of "what's bothering you?" and which point I said I wanted to talk about something else, and asked her how she was doing. She again insisted i tell her what's wrong and i plead back "i don't wanna talk about it right now, tell me how your day has been." at which point she said "i think you have the wrong number." and hung up on me. I was furious, immediately called back and got a different operator. I explained to her what had just happened and she said "you sound like you're upset ." Everything I said to her, she would just parrot back to me in the form of a question, providing no real help or depth, or anything at all of value. I lied and said to her "you know what, I'm feeling better now." and hung up, completely frustrated with the experience. Like they said in this video, it can be so frustrating when you finally do try to reach out and they don't get you on the most fundamental of levels. You're told that opening up helps, but how can it when they have only second-hand knowledge of what you're going through? They might as well not even be the same species. It can exasperate an already critical situation.

I just hit a serious wall where I intended to wrap this up with a nice summary of my experience fighting and sometimes winning against depression. I guess I'll end with sharing two things with you, two pieces I wrote during that extremely dark point in my life after the breakup that changed everything. Two pieces that might help you get into the mind of a person on the brink of self-destruction, a mind desperately fighting to cling to life and purpose amidst the collapse.

https://www.facebook.com/notes/james-murphy/broken-mirrors/71244797074
https://www.facebook.com/notes/james-murphy/untitled-the-poet/71245632074

and also, a thought that i meant to weave somewhere into this post, but never found a home, but is relevant regardless... one of the hardest parts of battling depression and suicidal thoughts is knowing that it comes from within. your own body doesn't have the survival instinct that is a natural mechanism of human life, and i felt betrayed by that realization. why isn't my body doing what it's meant to do and fight for survival? i must be damaged, i must be a defect of humanity, so maybe my suicidal feelings are actually quite rational. it's a hard thought to get past, and at times, one i still struggle with.

I want to thank No Right Answer (was gonna abbreviate it NRA but... yeah.) for doing this video and giving me the opportunity to share. I also want to thank the entire crew behind the movie Silver Linings Playbook. Too often the media portrays mental illness as dangerous, further alienating those of us who suffer from it. But Silver Linings Playbook was one of the most honest portrayals I've ever seen lacking both negative and positive bias, brought to life by amazing actors. Anyone who hasn't seen it, I would strongly recommend doing so.
 

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Created an account just to be able to reply to this. I wanted to thank you guys for that video, I hadn't heard about the man that killed himself. I have suffered from severe depression for the last 5 years, because of this I have lost multiple jobs, I was homeless for 3 months and have been struggling to get my life back. There were so many days when I was driving down the highway to work and thought to myself just how easy it would be to yank the wheel to the left and plow into a wall and end it all.

My family didn't know what to do and my parents blamed me for it and most of my friends had moved away and started families. For the first two years or so I was almost completely alone, like they mentioned in the video that feeling of isolation is the worst part. Then I met someone about 3 years ago and we became good friends, that was the first time in years that I had felt any hope or interest in my life again. Just having someone to talk to it didn't even have to be about the depression it could be anything. It made all the difference in the world.

For me my mind is my worst enemy, I will be at work and just be stewing internally for hours and sometimes I don't even realize it. My mind will just play out all these scenarios in my head of what I could have done differently and what I have lost. I imagine losing what little I have or just terrible things. I probably think of what it would be like to kill myself at least once a week.

The most important thing I have found is to try and notice when this happens. If I stop and tell myself that its not really happening then sometimes I can stop the downward cycle before I get too low to do anything about it. I have also found that regulating my diet helps, If I skip breakfast especially I notice that I usually feel a lot more depressed in the morning. But the most important thing is to find at least one person that you can reach out to who will support you no matter what. I still have a long way to go but I am starting to feel hope for a better future and my prayers go out to the family of the man who killed himself. To everyone else out there who struggles with depression, just remember that no matter how bad it gets, don't give up. Because once you do that you can never get your life back. Reach out to people, even if you get rejected a lot, eventually you will find people who can help.