No Right Answer: Most Disappointing Television Channel

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Attercap

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RJ 17 said:
I will say, though, that SyFy lost a LOT of points with me when they gave up MST3K over to Comedy Central. That was just the worst move they could have possibly pulled off.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's backwards. MST3K was on KTMA for a year, then moved to Comedy Central for 6 seasons before moving to SciFi. SciFi wanted the show to run arc plots during the host segment, but dropped the ball by showing episodes out of order.

Personally, I think SyFy's been the greater disappointment because it started off as little more than a re-run station and grew into something truly wonderful, funding and making its own shows and helping to renew shows that were being cancelled by other stations. Little by little, they've moved away from the premise of showing good science fiction and fantasy. ...And, really, the wound is a little fresher with SyFy. I don't think I've seen anything good on MTV since they stopped airing Sifl & Olly, so I'm pretty over that station.
 

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Attercap said:
RJ 17 said:
I will say, though, that SyFy lost a LOT of points with me when they gave up MST3K over to Comedy Central. That was just the worst move they could have possibly pulled off.
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, that's backwards. MST3K was on KTMA for a year, then moved to Comedy Central for 6 seasons before moving to SciFi. SciFi wanted the show to run arc plots during the host segment, but dropped the ball by showing episodes out of order.
Yup. Sci-fi was MST3ks final resting place. I remember that day all to well. With that riff of horribly cheese 60s Italian movie. Couldn't have been a better movie to save for last.

And THAT is why Sci-fi was the most disappointing.
 

Firefilm

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Father Time said:
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Father Time said:
I was going to do a topic like this for your contest. Unfortunately I didn't have the time. So where'd you get the idea for it?
Someone suggested something similar, I think it was like, "tv channel that has stooped the lowest for ratings." we took that idea, and boiled it down to what we ended up going with.
That was me.
Well then I guess you are awesome and your ideas are awesome. Deal with that, I dare you.
 

Nghtgnt

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Urameshi13 said:
Reason #1 that Sci-Fi changed to...what it changed to was this: poor literacy can be copyrighted.
I'm kind of surprised it took 3 pages for someone to mention this. The reason Sci-Fi changed its name is because of trademark/copyright (I always confuse the two) considerations. "Sci-Fi" as a brand would have been impossible for them to protect in court.

As others mentioned, SyFy may have some sucky programming, but at least they're still trying with shows like Warehouse 13 and Alphas (though I've never seen either), and their B-movies (if you include fantasy and horror into a "sci-fi" umbrella).

Another thing to consider is that it seems younger demographics have more disposable income then they did in the past, so you see a dumbing down of content as well. A really good example of this is Nickelodeon. Will we ever again see shows like "Rocco's Modern Life", "Ren and Stimpy", "The Adventures of Pete & Pete", or even "Invader Zim"? You have to go to Cartoon Network's Adult Swim for that kind of stuff now. Of course, maybe I'm just a bitter old guy.

You damn kids, stay off my lawn!
 

clawmachinelegend

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Remember when TLC stood for The Learning Channel now it is just shows about parents exploiting their children in pageants and dance competition and a bunch of shows that show how funny and weird people are in the southern states
 

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Okay, I'm probably going to light a fire with this but I have to say it.

MTV is doing what is has been doing since it started up all those years ago: Mocking popular culture. It takes that which is popular and runs it through a meat grinder, lampooning it so perfectly that we apparently can't tell that what we're watching is a parody anymore.

Think about it. Go back to the good old days of MTV and think about how it mercilessly attacked popular culture with its programming. When I think of MTV, my mind goes animated and Aeon Flux, Ren & Stimpy, and Beavis & Butthead come up. Satire of dystopia, satire of cartoons, satire of MTV. Yes folks, MTV didn't even take itself seriously.

MTV evolved as television has changed. The Real World (a show so fake, they had to give the title an antonym) came along to mock the reality show and with it came Flavor of Love (how do you mock reality-based dating? With Flavor Flav, of course), Jackass (because Candid Camera and its many incarnations needed to be shown where they'd wind up), and the program everyone loves to hate, Jersey Shore.

Look closely, everybody. You're being mocked. You're being shown parodies and exaggerations of people that are so incredibly bad that you can't help wincing and thinking, "This has to be real. There's no way someone would act that stupidly for pay."

They do. They are. And people lap it up because it makes them feel better about themselves. "My inlaws may be crazy, but they're not bat-shit insane like the folks on that show." "Okay, my girlfriend is demanding but she isn't Snooki." "Sure, my brother's an asshole but he ain't no Situation."

It's a script. It's a character. This is not reality; This is people taking the piss and being paid handsomely to do it. MTV has always done this. They did it with their first video, "Video Killed The Radio Star", and they've been doing it ever since. They're at the top of their game, continuing to cut down culture with big broad swipes, and are doing such a good job that other stations ape them in the hopes of earning the money and respect they have. Of course, it doesn't work because MTV doesn't take itself seriously and has the presence of mind to write a script for its shows.

The rest of television has no such excuse. One by one, channels have fallen prey to reality-based programming because it's cheap to make and because people like watching other people acting stupidly on television. Why spend millions on a series that might flop in a week when you can spend a few thousand putting a camera in a convenience store with an angry man behind the counter who will cheerfully insult everyone unfortunate enough to step in the front door? Even if the show flops, you'll still make money just by getting the thing to air. And if you get a hit? Cue large piles of money walking up to your door to ask you how you did it and if they can invest in it or in the next one.

Syfy managed to hold out as best they could, but making movies, even TV movies, is expensive. So they knuckled under and brought in wrestling, a nice solid cash cow that they can milk for years to come, and thirty-one flavours of paranormal reality television(dear gods, an oxymoronic pun). In that, I think Syfy came off as the more disappointing but, really, there wasn't much of a contest.

Syfy sold out like the rest of television. MTV sold out because what they've been selling has always leapt off the shelves and that's Satire: hot, fresh and often still bleeding around the edges.
 

dagens24

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Dissapointing? Discovery. Listen, it's still 100x better than the MTVs of the world, but oh my how it has fallen. It went from a channel that promoted learning, curiosity, science, etc to cheap reality tv garbage. 'Up next on Discovery, Ice Road King Crab Whale Trucks: Alaska'. Tsk tsk.
 

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I love this show, it's among my favorite on The Escapist, but you should try to switch up your format for an episode or two. You can do a lot of interesting stuff with this show, like an entire debate which is just spit takes or each debater has 2:30 to debate their point uninterrupted. Another good idea might be to switch out the water for something more interesting to keep things fresh. Try to stray a bit out of the routine once in a while.

As for the debate itself, I agree that MTV is much bigger than SyFy (wow, that IS a stupid name) and that it kind of permeates into other channels.
 

Souplex

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They changed their name to SyFy because you can't copyright sci-fi.
 

BaronIveagh

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Sci-Fi should have won for one reason:


cancelling




Mystery Science Theater 3000




"We'll ditch our highest viewership show because NBC executives don't get it."
 

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Vigormortis said:
Discovery is starting to do the same too, sadly. I almost had my "last straw" when they advertised their new special "Mermaid: The Body Found".

I mean...really Discovery? Really?!
Oh my god, my brother was glued to that one. So stupid. The Future is Wild and Alien Planet were cool and all, but crappy CG mermaids on handycam footage? that's just not even trying.
[hr]If I could nominate one channel that fell the furthest I might say The Disney Channel. Seriously, it was a premium channel once, scrambled and everything just like Playboy.

What did they show that was worth charging extra for? Cute movies from the 50's and 60's, that's power. Now, they are basically throwing knockoffs of Saved By The Bell at the public, hoping something sticks.
[hr]Also G4 was a lot better when it was TechTV. The Screensavers, Big Thinkers, Call For Help was okay, even Robot Wars (sigh)
 

Ashley Blalock

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I'm almost ancient so I've seen the very first years of these networks, the height of their popularity and their decent into mediocrity. So I'm going to have to say Sci-Fi was the bigger let down.

M-TV has always been hostage to what is popular with the pre-teen to teen movement of the moment. My parents and their generation found M-TV just as pointless and stupid as post-teen adults do today. The saving grace for M-TV was that some insanely talented acts put out some well made videos and M-TV was the only place to see them. Now music videos can be found all sorts of places so M-TV isn't really needed for music as it once was.

Science fiction, now that's a fairly rare breed. The geeks might have inherited the Earth and superhero movies might make more money than some nations, but it hasn't translated into a great wealth of sci-fi and fantasy TV shows. We still need a place that can gather 24/7 geekdom under one TV station.

The problem is one that is seen time and time again. A network will start out with a shoe string budget but people who are passionate as hell over music, science fiction, history, cartoons, or video games. With limited resources these passionate people will find a way to put out some fantastic stuff. But when things look profitable the parent company will gut the network in the hopes of making something so bland and generic that it will appeal to everyone. When that fails the station becomes cheap reality TV and cheap re-runs.

Honestly it's gotten to the point where there are just not enough new and interesting TV shows for me to have cable. Too many nights each week I couldn't find anything new on worth watching on any of the cable channels.
 

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Professor James said:
If they ever revisit this one, I think we can almost all agree that it should be cartoon network vs G4TV. I think this matchup will be even closer since probably more people watched cartoon network but it seems like g4tv had a bigger fall.
Cartoon Network wouldn't work because there are plenty of people here and across the web that seems to enjoy shows like Regular and Adventure Time.
 

Varya

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This video embodies the tagline of Alien vs Predator:

"Whoever wins, we loose"
 

Korolev

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Okay - I was going to side with MTV as the worst channel, until they started talking about Metal Tornado. SyFy - worst channel.
 

CrazyGirl17

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In my personal opinion?

Disney/Cartoon Network/Nickelodeon (for caring more for crappy Tween comedies than good cartoons), "Scyfy" (seriously? And what does wrestling have to do with science fiction?), and MTV/2 (While I admit to liking some of the shows on now, they aren't really music-related).

Also, Verizon sucks for taking the Funimation Channel off TV, leaving us with channel after channel of little kid shows and channels for the same movie over and over and over again.

Fuckin' TV executives...
 

TallanKhan

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M....T.....V......,
Guarantee any time i turn to it its dissapointing and awful. And I'm like: EVERY FREAKIN TIME!
 

SkullKing84

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Mtv hands down.. bad bad bad. I watched Mtv when i was a kid (late 80 and the 90s). By late 90s i was "well this is getting just sad". I haven't watched Mtv in about 10 years. Early 90s shows on Mtv like The Maxx, liquid television and the Head... now those were good shows.

I still watch Syfy for Alphas, warehouse 13, Eureka, Lost girl, and the terrible movies.If i remember correctly scifi turned into Syfy for copyright reasons. They couldn't international get Scifi copyrighted... or maybe i'm getting swiss cheese brain in my "old" age.
 

ProtoChimp

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WRESTLING IS NOT FAKE YOU CU- sorry. It's staged, I hate the word fake. Why the fuck it's on the Sci-Fi channel (fuck syfy) is anyone's guess.

At least Sci Fi has one or two good shows like V and Smallville (after season 5 when they finally got their fucking act together, though Clark and Lana are both boring bitches) while MTV only had Death Valley, which was just sex on steroids on toast... too far?
 

gphjr14

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History Channel needs an honorable mention. From actual history spanning several eras, to mostly WWII and Hitler to Aliens and now


This shit. The show may be interesting but it isn't history.

Main reason I don't have cable.