No Right Answer: Worst Father Ever
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Goku is an absent father, not a bad father. It's like calling solders bad fathers for being overseas and choosing to go on another tour. Gohan was kidnapped while he was dead, and he chose to go save his master Piccolo by going to Namak. Considering Goku's adopted father Gohan died when he was still a child, forcing him to make his own way in the wild until Bulma came along, it's no wonder Goku is an absent parent. Then again the whole of the Sayian race sent their children off to planets on their own on eradication missions.
Goku was with his son everyday until his Brother showed up one day, then after he returned to earth for the 3 years while training for the androids, and spent a year in the Time Chamber to prep for Cell. Meaning Goku was only absent while he was dead, and then while he was learning to control his strength and getting the instant transmission.
Ozai was going to kill his own son for the opportunity to be the Firelord but his wife chose to do something, that was never explained, the result being banishment to save her son's life. Then, for speaking out against the senseless death of his own nations men as part of a war tactic, Ozai scared his son and banished him.
Ozai wins not only worse father but also worst person.
I'll end with Dragon Ball GT never happened, Toriyama had almost nothing to do with that pile and only came in at the end to save what was left of his story. When Goku was killed by cell that was the end of it. No Goten, no Videl, no Uub, no Majin *, no fusion.
Anime sucks read the Manga.
Goku was with his son everyday until his Brother showed up one day, then after he returned to earth for the 3 years while training for the androids, and spent a year in the Time Chamber to prep for Cell. Meaning Goku was only absent while he was dead, and then while he was learning to control his strength and getting the instant transmission.
Ozai was going to kill his own son for the opportunity to be the Firelord but his wife chose to do something, that was never explained, the result being banishment to save her son's life. Then, for speaking out against the senseless death of his own nations men as part of a war tactic, Ozai scared his son and banished him.
Ozai wins not only worse father but also worst person.
I'll end with Dragon Ball GT never happened, Toriyama had almost nothing to do with that pile and only came in at the end to save what was left of his story. When Goku was killed by cell that was the end of it. No Goten, no Videl, no Uub, no Majin *, no fusion.
Anime sucks read the Manga.
Goku. It's even worse for Goten. After about seven years since he was born, his father finally returns from the afterlife. Depending on whether you read the manga or watch the anime, their meeting is different. In the manga, Goku sees Goten, and is just like ''Huh. That's my son. Hm.'', but in the anime, they have a heartfelt meeting that could bring the manliest men to tears. After that though, Goku barely talks to him. Oh, and he decides to make Goten fuse with Vegeta's eight year-old son Trunks to defeat a genocidal monstrosity that ends up killing almost the entire population of Earth. And then he later leaves to entire family so he can live with some kid who he's never even met before, only because he happens to be a good fighter and a reincarnation of previously-mentioned genocidal monstrosity. And yes, he's a horrible husband as well. I would divorce his ass if I was Chi-Chi.
And you know what's weird? Vegeta, of all people, is a much better parent than Goku. He at least spent time with his child, even if he was a bit harsh on him.
And you know what's weird? Vegeta, of all people, is a much better parent than Goku. He at least spent time with his child, even if he was a bit harsh on him.
No, he doesn't. You must not have seen the end of the series; Azula is exactly the evidence I would offer up proving Ozai as the worse father. He scarred his son by exiling him; he destroyed his daughter by keeping her near. A father that screws up whether he keeps his child or not is, hands down, the worst.Rarhnor said:
They need to invent a gun that launches swords.emeraldrafael said:
The gist I got out of it was that Saiyan females were not as powerful as their male counterparts.
Basically MALE = SOLIDER, FEMALE = SUPPORT. I was never that big into DBZ anyways. Still, ME NO LIKE HOW HE DIE TO GET TRAINING FOR NO REASON BBLLEEHH!!
What, gendou Ikari too easy?
Backup choice would be Genma Saotome from ranma 1/2. Granted that's a goofy comedy, but he still has a list of crimes against him:
Trading his son for food (before stealing him back)
Having son sign seppeku (suicide) pledge at toddlerhood
Put son through dangerous and traumatic training and screwed it up because he didn't finish reading the manual.
Engaged son to girl listed in dictionaries under "tsundare" and "*****"
That's just what I can remember off the top of my head. I could probably find more going back to the anime and manga.
Backup choice would be Genma Saotome from ranma 1/2. Granted that's a goofy comedy, but he still has a list of crimes against him:
Trading his son for food (before stealing him back)
Having son sign seppeku (suicide) pledge at toddlerhood
Put son through dangerous and traumatic training and screwed it up because he didn't finish reading the manual.
Engaged son to girl listed in dictionaries under "tsundare" and "*****"
That's just what I can remember off the top of my head. I could probably find more going back to the anime and manga.
Darth Vader is freaking father of the year compared to Daniel Plainview in 'There Will Be Blood'Rappletek said:
Cell saga, that is all I can say. This is where the guy who is the son of DEMON LORD PICCOLO calls out Goku for being a bad father when he tells Gohan to fight Cell (someone who Goku cannot beat).
But the guy who takes the cake is definitely Charles Vi Britannia, "Oh son you're mother was brutally murdered, your sister blinded and crippled and you horrifically traumatized by the entire scene?! WEAK FOOL I'M SENDING YOU AS A WAR PRISONER TO THE VERY PEOPLE I AM PLANNING ON KILLING AND TREATING AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS!!! BYE NOW!!"
But the guy who takes the cake is definitely Charles Vi Britannia, "Oh son you're mother was brutally murdered, your sister blinded and crippled and you horrifically traumatized by the entire scene?! WEAK FOOL I'M SENDING YOU AS A WAR PRISONER TO THE VERY PEOPLE I AM PLANNING ON KILLING AND TREATING AS SECOND CLASS CITIZENS!!! BYE NOW!!"
Ozai hands down. Gohan actually spent time with his Dad, even if you don't count the battles, they chilled together, ate like crazy together, and Goku actually trained him. Ozai? Get out, my fat, lazy, disgraced brother, who failed to end the war by the way, can train you. You know what else? I think I'll send my daughter, who I clearly like more, to kill my son, that sounds right. Azula? O ya she really messed up too. (Spoilers here for Avatar) Ozai asked his father, Firelord Azulon, after his eldest brother Iroh was defeated, for the right to the throne. Azulon got mad and told Ozai flat out no and that he must know the lost Iroh felt. Remember what was gonna happen? Remember what happened instead? Remember in the ending with Ozai being questioned and it implied he knew where you know who was? Not as spoilerly but this is the nail in the coffin.
I rest my case.
I rest my case.
Because Toriyama, along with being racist, is sexist. He stated females can't be super sayians in an interview. *edit oh and they all died with the planet Vegeta, but ya Pan is a quarter and Bulla is half. That is if you follow the GT canon.emeraldrafael said:
No contest: Ozai is the worst father.
Goku's a goof, sure and while he doesn't make the best parenting decisions, he at least tries to do some good for the world and his family. In my book he'll at least get points for doing the wrong thing for the right reason. Oh, and given that he and his family are really the ONLY line of defense against these ancient, evil super-powered-monster-ninjas they're fighting all the time, he's got to make sure Gohan's tough enough to carry on the legacy when Goku inevitably dies for -like- the eighth time.
Ozai, on the other hand, is the CAUSE of not only most of his family's problems, but most of the WORLD's problems. He had no problem killing one of his kids if it meant a shot at the throne, and would have gladly burned Zuko alive during Souzin's comet. He permanently scared his son's face and banished him (for what should have been for life) for objecting to a General's plan in his war room, and then raised his daughter to be meglo-maniacal sociopath.
Goku may have been an airhead, but I don't ever recall him knowingly going out of his way to permanently shame/kill his son.
Goku's a goof, sure and while he doesn't make the best parenting decisions, he at least tries to do some good for the world and his family. In my book he'll at least get points for doing the wrong thing for the right reason. Oh, and given that he and his family are really the ONLY line of defense against these ancient, evil super-powered-monster-ninjas they're fighting all the time, he's got to make sure Gohan's tough enough to carry on the legacy when Goku inevitably dies for -like- the eighth time.
Ozai, on the other hand, is the CAUSE of not only most of his family's problems, but most of the WORLD's problems. He had no problem killing one of his kids if it meant a shot at the throne, and would have gladly burned Zuko alive during Souzin's comet. He permanently scared his son's face and banished him (for what should have been for life) for objecting to a General's plan in his war room, and then raised his daughter to be meglo-maniacal sociopath.
Goku may have been an airhead, but I don't ever recall him knowingly going out of his way to permanently shame/kill his son.
Oka. but that wasnt the question about being super saiyan, just saiyan.newwiseman said:
So we've established there are in fact female saiyans.
True, she danced at the borderline of sanity quite a lot in the later episodes, but from what we see of her child hood, Ozai didn't as much "push" her as he encouraged her. We hear from Zuko, refering to something Ozai said:"Azula was born lucky, I'm just lucky to be born". Ozai, plain and simple, favored Azula.AquaAscension said:Snip
She even calls out her father, not for taking it further like she did.
Y'know, when your kid comes at you with a drawing that looks like a bunch of colored noodles having sex? The kid proudly exclaims "it's a house". You say it's the prettiest drawing ever, and hang it on the fridge. The kid goes on thinking "Hey! My dad liked it, I must make the prettiest drawings EVER!". Well that kid is Azula from where I sit. She feels entitled to power and respect due to her fathers pandering. She doesn't face reality, because everyone around her fear her father, which results in this perfectionist behavior.
In fact, it's kinda topical isn't it? Strict parenting vs. mild-mannered parenting. Outcast and neglected, but morally balanced child vs. pandered and endeared, yet power-obsessed child.
That's why I choose to stay a child at heart.Bretty said:
There was a lot more to it then that but those are spoilers...ReaperzXIII said:
That's interesting. I wonder how you arrived at that? Granted, many cartoon ARE meant for little kids, but that's probably because it's easier to do a kids show as a cartoon than a live-action one.Bretty said:
For my money, Avatar: The Last Airbender, was not only one of the best cartoons I've ever seen; it was one of the best SHOWS I've ever seen. I was all set to dismiss it by Ep.1, but I had committed to watching up to Ep.6. And I'm glad I did, because at that point; I was hooked. I'd gladly watch all three books of Avatar in one sitting than endure the running liquid crap of most 'reality' shows.
I used to think like you, actually, but I wound up learning that just because there are a lot of cartoons for kids, does not mean that ALL cartoons are meant for kids or that ONLY kids can appreciate the story in a cartoon.
This is why I decided to read some of the thread before posting. I thought SURELY someone gets it and this guy does. Neglectful father vs someone who physically scared his son for life and then through him out of the country. I can't fathom how people can say that a dad who is flaky and often absent is worse than a dad who (irl equivalent) puts their son's face on a lit stovetop and then throws their son out to be homeless. Why did he do this, btw? Because his son disagreed with him. Goku is simply a poor father. Ozai is monstrous.honestdiscussioner said:
