Nolan North "Couldn't Believe" PS4 Gameplay

[Strazdas]

consoles have the benefit of not needing drivers and coding striaght to the machine.

No. That's not true.

Even if it were that wouldn't be a benefit, it'd be a massive disadvantage. A driver's a good thing. It does things for you more efficiently than you ever could. It means vastly less work for you as a programmer and you end up with a much faster application.

Do you have any idea how long development times would be if games were truly coded straight to the machine in assembly? The amount of bugs there'd likely be? The extremely small amount of programmers even capable of such a thing?

There are extremely good reasons we have abstraction layers in computing. And the PS4 and XBox One have them as well. I mean they're freaking using OpenGL and DirectX respectively, that's even further removed from the machine than just a driver. Which is great, because it means less work for programmers to make faster games with more possibilities.

Well i guess i mispoke. its not so much as no drivers as the road to hardware is much more stnadartized and streamlined. since you can use the hardware to the max and tel lit to ignroe everything else (though not possible on win 8 so Xbone fialed here too), unknown about OS of PS4 so far too. you can tickle hardware mroe directly.
On console you can tell the game to grab amount of memory that you want to, if you tried that on PC yourp rogram woudl get wrist-slapped by drivers and crash.
Is it confirmed PS4 is using OpenGL? if so great news, i always loved OpenGL more than DirectCrash. Thing is the current hardware consoles have been done so well becuase they could circumwent this and didnt need to dedicate resources to it. now they wont though, good point.

Wait until next year and get some of the new GDDR6 GPUs and DDR4 RAM. Should last quite a bit with that.
My PC was mid-range back in 2009 when I built it. It still plays on high settings. Am probably going to upgrade in 1-3 years.

I will have to wait till next year regardless due to money constraints.
Then the new GPUs and Ram wont be available here by then anyway. heck, there is 0 7th (17th?) generation GPUs for sale to begin wthi yet. in fact the highest GPU i saw for sale so far is a 680. and even that one was a single unit, and everything else is 650 and 660. Now i dont know about how fast rams will come, but so far everything has been going in DDR3 department.

My computer was mid-high end in 2008. It cant run most 2013 games at all. the update is unavoidable, i just fear that i may end up having to do that again in 3 years.

 

[Strazdas]

Wait until next year and get some of the new GDDR6 GPUs and DDR4 RAM. Should last quite a bit with that.
My PC was mid-range back in 2009 when I built it. It still plays on high settings. Am probably going to upgrade in 1-3 years.

I will have to wait till next year regardless due to money constraints.
Then the new GPUs and Ram wont be available here by then anyway. heck, there is 0 7th (17th?) generation GPUs for sale to begin wthi yet. in fact the highest GPU i saw for sale so far is a 680. and even that one was a single unit, and everything else is 650 and 660. Now i dont know about how fast rams will come, but so far everything has been going in DDR3 department.

My computer was mid-high end in 2008. It cant run most 2013 games at all. the update is unavoidable, i just fear that i may end up having to do that again in 3 years.

The difference in optimization for the 7th gen was around 15-25% dependant on game. Since the new console will be using X86-64 (which means PC games will by default come more optimized) I am expecting the difference to melt away. Also, the PS4 and Xbox one have OSes that are heavier then windows 8 and use up 3 gigs of Ram... dear god...

As for the hardware Well you cant be worse then us here in Bulgaria. Dont worry though, it will come even if a little late.
My PC from 2009 was a ATI 5770, 4 GB Ram and an I5 750. It still runs well:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSsbpRr_Qog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fin3YRp_5u4

Yeah but the thing with consle OS is that it was always able to be "unloaded" for the sake of game taking priority. guess no more with features they advertise of flash freezing and alt tabbing and stuff. kinda like how full-screen-only games got obsoletel in regualr PCs for they used same "ignore OS all pwoer to the game" tactic of resource hogging.
Yeah the optimization difference is melting somewhat, but i think that will come more towards PC ports will become better rather than consoles becomming worse.
But yes the OS they seem to be pushing is going to be huge (though SONY seems a bit quiet about it dont they?)

Well here, in Lithuania, we can be worse . no, really, we should be aroudn equal for that. still you bought I5 back in 2009? thats not midrange, thats top high end back then.
Mine from 2008 is Intel core due T SomeNumbersIForgot, basically a 2x2.4ghz, 8600 and 4 gb ddr2. most games this year have minimum a 9600 requirement heh

 

[BleedingPride]

Sounds like he's enthusiastic, that's good! I also just want to take a moment to praise Nolan North simply for agreeing to appear in Saints Row 4 JUST so that the list of voice options would be "Male 1,2,3 , Female 1,2,3 , Nolan North"

 

[Terramax]

No idea who this guy is. Would be nice if the article had given a few examples of his talents.

 

[Sofus]

I'll be impressed when the PS4 can run a game that is equally as hardware heavy as TWR 2 is on extreme without having any type of lag, microstutter or long loading times.

I think Nolan North has a lot of talent (no really) but I know he's not the most avid gamer, so I'm sure it seems radically different to him. I'd be more interested in hearing what Troy Baker has to say about any encounters with next-gen systems - he's a voice actor and a regular gamer.

I would be much more interested in what Gabe Newell thinks of the PS4.

 

[Erttheking]

This thread is going to devolve into a PC vs consoles thread isn't it? Can't we just play games on whatever floats our fancy and live and let live on what people prefer?

 

[beez]

I'm not surprised tho, people are used to 720p, especially as a non-hardcore gamer, no wonder Nolan North is amazed. I would too if I'd see what a middle-range GCN Radeon can do on a netbook CPU, compared to the 7 year old technology that was being pushed for years as the pinnacle of gaming. Especially as Nolan North is known for his work with Naughty Dog, I'd bet he saw the next game they are making. PC games so far are mostly ports of console games so they are mostly sub-par compared to the experiences we could've had all along, especially with Naughty Dog, who always get down and dirty with a console: they always do technically insane things with a hardware, because they are not afraid to put in a lot of work on the game engine and utilize stuff, like assembly and hardware related tweaks and hacks to make their stuff look above most other stuff, so yeah. If you check the Unreal 4 PC vs PS4 video on Youtube, you'll see; it's pretty good, the PC stuff is a bit better, which is sad, because previous consoles seriously overpowered the PCs of that generation, these new consoles do only one thing that's above a PC, although useful for games: they offer a high bandwidth GPGPU solution to calculate physics on a level that's not really possible using anything other than an APU. But still.

On a side note, please compare the last 30 Xbox press releases to 5-10 of Sony's, theirs is at least mostly effective PR vs fantasy football and butthurt bull ish.

 

[Shadow-Phoenix]

This thread is going to devolve into a PC vs consoles thread isn't it? Can't we just play games on whatever floats our fancy and live and let live on what people prefer?

It most likely will since this site is 80-90% PC only people and they won't leave a single console thread alone it seems.

I'd agree heavily on live and let live though since I'm a hybrid and play whatever I want to play.

i just hate it when some dude strolls along and declares something to be the second coming.

You mean like PC's every time there's a console thread and how we need to be reminded of their existence?.

I really hate when there's any thread specifically about a console and then someone has to have the urge to chime in with mentioning PC while using weak excuses to start a flamewar.

 

[Hagi]

Well i guess i mispoke. its not so much as no drivers as the road to hardware is much more stnadartized and streamlined. since you can use the hardware to the max and tel lit to ignroe everything else (though not possible on win 8 so Xbone fialed here too), unknown about OS of PS4 so far too. you can tickle hardware mroe directly.
On console you can tell the game to grab amount of memory that you want to, if you tried that on PC yourp rogram woudl get wrist-slapped by drivers and crash.
Is it confirmed PS4 is using OpenGL? if so great news, i always loved OpenGL more than DirectCrash. Thing is the current hardware consoles have been done so well becuase they could circumwent this and didnt need to dedicate resources to it. now they wont though, good point.

XBox has always used a custom Windows Kernel. Playstation 3 and 4 are by all accounts based on a custom FreeBSD, Playstation 2 likely on a custom Linux OS although I'm not certain on that last one.

Whilst standardized hardware certainly is a very real advantage not to be discounted modern consoles are really not as far removed from PCs as you're making them out to be. The basic principles and concepts involved are exactly the same, there's no more or less direct access to the hardware. If your PC can't give games the memory they need then that's simply because, knowingly or not, are running so many other processes that also demand memory. It's nothing inherent to PCs. And if it does crash thats's certainly no result of the drivers wrist-slapping your application, that's not how drivers work.

Most of the advantages from consoles, beyond standardized hardware which is a big one, come from the fact that it's simply much harder to screw them up. You don't have to deal with keeping your drivers updated. You don't have to deal with making sure your installed programs aren't running unnecessary background processes. You don't have to deal with viruses and malware. You can't make many of the mistakes that you could make on a PC which would slow your system down.

The simple reality is that neither consoles nor PCs really are better. They're mostly the same once you start digging deeper. A console simply has a predetermined setup with less possibilities, including less room for errors. A PC has much more freedom, including the freedom to fuck things up.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

What is to be blown away by exactly? Playing the same old games with the same old controller on old technology? Marketing is marketing I suppose.

Old technology, about a console that's not even out yet.

Well I guess under that definition everything is old technology.

Sorry, what I meant was, the PS4 isn't really showcasing anything that hasn't been possible on a PC for years. It isn't like its making any groundbreaking new steps in technology like consoles used to do. It is just marginally improved over the PS3. Not exactly mind blowing.