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God'sFist

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Welcome one and all to the Christmas grumps thread. Sit, eat and wage war on Christmas. Anyway the Christmas adverts are going up and stores are selling decorations tis the season again and I want to hear some other grumps of Christmas moan with me. Also Happy Halloween to one and all my favorite time of year.

For discussion value state why you have any negativity towards Christmas or whatever holiday you dislike

captcha: kitten mittens

No captcha I don't care if kittens become even cuter in this season I still dislike it.
 

Euryalus

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It's downer during Thanksgiving too. Here's a legit and awesome holiday about food and family and oppression and genocide and instead of enjoying it we're bombarded by stores yelling about black Friday and Christmas shopping.

I honestly make it a point to avoid stores that advertise christmas stuff before december if I can. It doesn't me up at night but it mildly irritates me.
 

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You know, if it wasn't for Christmas giving people in this country something to look forward to and celebrate over the winter, I can well believe the suicide rate would through the roof. I used to complain about it, but I can avoid all the ads now that I don't watch a lot of TV any more. That aspect of Christmas was what cheesed me off the most royally.

I don't look forward to Easter much, but at least it's something to do. I also get to stuff chocolate in my fat gob, so I can pretty much live with that.
 

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I just realised I hate Christmas. I hate the food, I hate the music, I hate the decorations, I hate the shitty tv and films that will inevitably end up being watched.

Really the only things I like about it are the giving and receiving of gifts, and getting drunk with the family.
 

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I hate Christmas because of the people who try to defend it.

To me, Christmas is an irritating time of year when it's too cold, consumerism is rampant, people spend too much money and stupid politicians make an ass of themselves and denouncing others' way of celebrating a mundane, bullshit holiday.

I hate the direct-to-TV movies that people ironically watch simply because it's a mass celebrated holiday. I hate accepting gifts, and because I don't celebrate it I just buy people things whenever I feel like I'm obligated to and not on one day, which sort of circumvents the whole thing, doesn't it?

Why buy someone a gift if the thought counts, but culture demands you do it anyway? There's no thought in that. It's entirely conditional.

Not to mention the terrible, absoloutely bullshit music that they play at supermarkets during the holiday season (and I'm pretty sure that one I heard was about date rape) and the food. Seriously. The food. Christmas pudding makes me fucking sick, I have about as much alcohol resistance as a 6 year old with a history of kidney failure so getting drunk and repressing the memories isn't much fun...

Wow, this got a little rant-y. As you can see, I detest Christ's holiday (which it isn't) with such disagreeable hatred that it'd make Santa cry. There is literally nothing I enjoy about Christmas. Not even ironically. It also makes me terrible about being single, for some reason.

But the worst, worst, part of it all is that this happens throughout all of December. It's the end of November, my birthday's around then, talking with friends, having fun, ect, and suddenly nobody has any time to hang out because they're shopping and crap for a holiday that I don't even celebrate. It's like some sort of cosmic, reality altering switch that flicks at the dawn of December 1st. So, an entire month is dedicated to this stupid holiday now?
 

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Overall, I don't hate Christmas. It's generally a lot of fun, all the eggnog, gifts and whatnot. But I dunno, Christmas is also the time that all the religious people I know get all... evangelical. I mean, this is the season where everyone I know gets a lot more open about their faith, and that is exactly the sort of conversation I try my damnedest to avoid in real life.
 

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I have always enjoyed Christmas, it was never about presents or consumerism in my family, but rather about our family getting together each year at my grandparents house. I miss those days but the lesson I took was that family is important, not how much you got or how much was spent.
I can understand people not liking the music, I'm sick of a lot of that myself due to working in retail for many years. However, whether you're religious or not shouldn't matter. Its a time of year to put aside all the bullshit, get together with family (starting Thanksgiving for me and lasting to New Years). If you've got issues with family, then make your own with friends. Most of what I consider family today is comprised of my best friends and closest relatives which is much smaller than my actual family.
I guess my point is that too many people let society dictate what holidays are about. Its personal and only you should dictate what that means. Don't like the normal christmas stuff? You don't have to participate, no one can force you to. I respect people's personal decisions, the only thing that bothers the shit out of me is how selfish people are that they'd go around attempting to down other people's holidays as well simply because they themselves don't like or celebrate it. You're well entitled to your opinions folks, but you've no right to intrude on other people's happiness either.
So be mindful that you don't live in an echo chamber, you live in a diverse world where other folks live too and you're going to run into things that you don't like about their lives.
I've learned to ignore the things I dislike about the holidays (again I worked in retail long enough that while I don't like the music I also learned to live with it) while taking the parts I love and living in those moments more fully.
Life's too short to be a damn cynic. I don't see the point in letting a holiday ruin your month (or months).
 

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I love Christmas, but I hate the commercialism surrounding it.

Where's that video that so accurately expresses my feelings...ah, here we go!

 

God'sFist

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Glad I could get a few light hearted people to reply. I don't hate Christmas but I don't like it either so yeah getting together with family and all that good stuff great but the point was if you dislike a holiday for any reason share it. You know what they say missery loves company and that's the same for grumps of the holiday season. I generally dislike Christmas for all the evangelical crap that gets shoved everywhere at this time of year if it isn't the unlimited number of nativity scenes its the people screaming there is a war on Christmas. Not to mention all the Christmas music DURING Halloween my favorite holiday of them all. So yeah I don't Hate Christmas per say but dislike it plenty for what it does to people.
 

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hm.. i both hate and love christmas.

i love lot of the decorations. especialy the lights. but when someone goes totaly overboard and covers their entire home and garden (as is popular in the USA, and is now happening in the UK...)it makes me roll my eyes.
we dont need a block war over who can drain the national grid fastest, people. a tree or a room is enough.

i love a lot of the food. i adore turkey. i could probably live of turkey and pigs-in-blankets and be happy (but probably fat lol)
but i hate the other parts such as badly boiled-till-its-gray sprouts, totaly dry stuffing and i never did like the pudding.

the boozing depreses me. and the parties. and the made for TV movies. dont get me started on 'Christmas24' channel *shakes fist*

alot of what i feel about christmas can be summed up by Foamy...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YuqNMoavpA

halloween is also my fave holiday of the season. but over here, there are too many negative parts for some folks to even consider celibrating it.
while the modern holiday is just about kids and candy, alot of the older generation here (think post ww2 and befor) have memories of it more being the 'All-Hallows Eve' thing. as in you should be sitting indoors, praying for your immortal soul! type images.
i guess that is one reason why i may never experiance a nice modern halloween personaly. just as a candy giving grown up...
 

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If Christmas was more like Thanksgiving, where everybody more or less gets a day off to eat half their weight in food, I would probably enjoy it more, but the shopping part rains on my parade. I don't have money, I don't know what to buy anybody and I'm pretty sure if the stores have their way, Christmas will eventually consume half the year.

That being said, I'm starting to like it more lately since nobody has any money, so the gift giving expectation is kind of going out the window. We've all come to an agreement that only the kids get gifts (although nobody actually ever follows completely through with that agreement).
 

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Where I live, Christmas celebrations continue well into February and only really stop just before Valentine's Day. People basically take out loans to throw massive Christmas parties (in a country where about 60% of the people are in poverty, that is not a pleasant idea), of which you're expected to go to at least 3 or 4 (work/school, one with friends, one with less-close friends, and one with family. If you're married, that adds one with in-laws). Also, because of the Roman Catholic majority, most people get up before dawn for the early morning mass in the weeks leading up to Christmas (I've never done it, but I think it's like every day from the 4th week of November until December 23).

The food is really good, though. Also, until you have your own family all your older relatives give you loads of money for Christmas (the amount varies depending on the family, but a reasonably wealthy family like mine amounts to about Php 2,000.00 (about USD $45.00) per relative, and a bigger payout from parents and godparents).
 

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I love Christmas because my family always put more emphasis on spending time with loved ones than they did on opening gifts. My family always got fewer gifts but we always had amazing christmas breakfast, lunch and dinner together. Usually cooked by my grandmother and mother, we had lots of traditional Croatian meals.

The only thing I ever hated about Christmas was when I worked in retail as a teenager. The Christmas rush and the constant Christmas carols playing over the store radio drove me nearly insane. I'm pretty certain the devil himself invented Christmas carols himself to trick people into infuriating each other over the holiday season.
 

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I stopped enjoying Christmas a good few years ago and I'm not entirely sure why.

Seeing family isn't a huge thing for me 'cause I can see them whenever I want, we all mostly live in the same city. (Well, aside from this year...)

My family always has those petty little fights and things, which makes Christmas semi-awkward every year. We started branching out and just having Christmas in smaller family groups after that, so I usually just spent it with my mom and brother.

This year's the first Christmas I'll be waking up in an empty house, to be honest. So I'm less than thrilled about this year. My mum is also out of the country so I'm spending it with my dad instead.

I don't think I'll even bother decorating. I have my mums old tree but it's no fun putting it up by yourself. :[
 

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Quite honestly I have much more important things that require money to take care of before I waste any money on frivolous things that no one really needs. That & I really hate that people get so damn rude & I feel sorry for everyone that has to work in stores that play christmas music all the damn time.
 

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Technically my hate toward Christmas should really redirected toward my job (retail). During Christmas I get super early and super late shift meaning I will be dead tried the next morning and the worse is that I worked on Boxing Day (the reason is that I'm one of the few staff so is local)!!! Thanks to that it break my family tradition by going to the city, have lunch and go shopping with my bro on Boxing Day.

Ok even if I weren't working at retail or have a job that break up during Christmas it still suck anyway cos I get far too little of presents and entire families no longer meet up on Christmas Day either compared to the past!

Also before you asked, yes our store already got Christmas stock out already.
 

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There seems to be a real hard push this year to start Christmas before Halloween and pretend like it's totally normal. I know 2 cities that already have their Christmas lights up (Their argument is that they aren't turning them on until the 10th November - so it's ok. Nevermind that even the 10th November is still a full month and a half away from Christmas)

I had someone at work boast earlier in the week that they've got all their Christmas shopping done already, and the radio stations are hedging into Christmas themed topics, but only just.

It's bizarre, but every institution seems to be trying to push Christmas onto us as soon as publicly acceptable - and have gone a week or two beyond that and just said "ain't our fault, it's our schedule."
 

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Hero in a half shell said:
There seems to be a real hard push this year to start Christmas before Halloween and pretend like it's totally normal. I know 2 cities that already have their Christmas lights up (Their argument is that they aren't turning them on until the 10th November - so it's ok. Nevermind that even the 10th November is still a full month and a half away from Christmas)

I had someone at work boast earlier in the week that they've got all their Christmas shopping done already, and the radio stations are hedging into Christmas themed topics, but only just.

It's bizarre, but every institution seems to be trying to push Christmas onto us as soon as publicly acceptable - and have gone a week or two beyond that and just said "ain't our fault, it's our schedule."
Well, it's because when they convince people it's Christmas season it brings people out to do Christmas shopping and everyone makes money. Stores sell things, credit card bills are racked up, etc... and the longer it goes on the more people buy. Sure, technically someone might finish their Christmas shopping early, but then they are likely to do more when they see all these "sweet deals" coming out later.

I find it kind of deplorable too, but there isn't much that can be done. If it was up to me, I'd pass a law that says you can't begin The Christmas Season until two weeks before Christmas. Of course at the same time I'd also consider pushing the religious angle of things more heavily as well, not so much to ban it, but to remove a lot of the commercialism from it. Some is acceptable as the whole gift exchange thing is nice, but really Christmas has become this huge industry unto itself where it seems a lot of businesses plan all year just for that holiday, and sometimes I get the impression a lot of people celebrating the holiday don't even know what the point of a manger scene is.

At any rate, I guess this makes me sort of a grump.

At the same time, I'd also probably put a gag order on anyone who likes to try and ruin Thanksgiving by going off about all the horrible things we did to the Native Americans, basically de-liberalizing the holidays. In my basic opinion if you haven't lived a decade or more on the east coast you probably don't deserve an opinion on that subject. Largely because relations between settles and natives were pretty bloody friendly for a long time. Some tribes even helped fight for colonial independence, lifting the siege of Fort Shantok for example (and odds are you've never heard of that). Even during "The French and Indian War" which largely changed things, where a lot of natives largely sided with the French because they were offered a bigger deal, some tribes stood with us. On a lot of levels like most things it was all ruined by greed, basically deals were cut with tribes like The Mohegans and at a time when the colonies were relatively weak and had little reliable support from overseas they pushed for more resources, money, and parts of territory they had given over for settlement. This started a war they lost, and combined with other events lead to the domino effect your all familiar with. Guys like Chief Uncas are local heroes/legends in places like Connecticut, despite opposing us in the end because he fought at our side. Some places like "Uncas' leap" where he jumped a horse over a waterfall are local landmarks/legends. It should also be noted that despite being a "Chief" (or properly a Sachem, or "Stone Man") he did not make the decisions that lead to that war, his tribal council forced his hand, and he personally apparently sided with his people, making him a sort of tragic figure.... the basic point is it all comes down to a lot of political garbage over land rights and humans being opportunistic. Had some things on the east coast gone differently, Native/Settle relations might have repaired themselves due to remaining positive with some of the tribes that had up until that point backed the settlers. How do I know this? Easy I grew up in the area and worked for two different tribes both of which had their self-judgemental side (probably due to the fact that it's easy to be self-judgemental when your rolling in money, this was during the casino golden age down there). Thanksgiving itself is a positive thing and symbolizes people coming together, and it's a sort of reminder of what could have been I think. I get tired of people acting like the colonists grabbed all the food and then immediately started burning villages or whatever. Relations also didn't turn hostile for quite a while after the assistance, and largely came down to ambition and politics as I pointed out. The tribes on the east coast were pretty well assimilated to dealing with whites (they weren't ignorant or being manipulated) and even had a good grasp of the overall geo-political situation (ie who was backing what colony). On the east coast Natives did move around but were a lot more solitary than the stereotype, they lived in longhouses (not teepees or tents) and while not as advanced as some later portrayals did engage in farming and the like. The Mashantucket Pequot museum constructed a replica village, and it's different than what most people expect, and gives you a better sense of the kinds of people being dealt with (though it's also important to point out the Mashantuckets were hostile, and enemies of the Mohegans, indeed helping take out the Mashantuckets was one of the things Uncas did that made him sort of a hero...).
 

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Thanks for the replies still not seeing too many grumps but oh well. HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYBODY!!!!! Today is Halloween my favorite holiday ever so tell me what you do today and make sure we get some cool jack o lantern pics or costume pics that would be great.
 

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God said:
Thanks for the replies still not seeing too many grumps but oh well. HAPPY HALLOWEEN EVERYBODY!!!!! Today is Halloween my favorite holiday ever so tell me what you do today and make sure we get some cool jack o lantern pics or costume pics that would be great.
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