Nothing Sacred
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A few things:
1) The general rule is less about Lucasarts and more about the "you don't parody your own work" rule of comedy. Self-deprecating/parodying humor is pretty much limited to the comedy genre.
2) It's one thing to do a music game using settings in the canon. It's another to do terrible covers. Combining the two turned what could have been funny into something that is physically painful to watch.
3) There is no Empire on Ice. It never existed. Even if it had, we would have spent billions on a mass mindwipe to erase all existence of it.
1) The general rule is less about Lucasarts and more about the "you don't parody your own work" rule of comedy. Self-deprecating/parodying humor is pretty much limited to the comedy genre.
2) It's one thing to do a music game using settings in the canon. It's another to do terrible covers. Combining the two turned what could have been funny into something that is physically painful to watch.
3) There is no Empire on Ice. It never existed. Even if it had, we would have spent billions on a mass mindwipe to erase all existence of it.
I hate empire on ice more than any parody. It was funny yes, but it literally RUINED my favorite star wars track ever. I cannot listen to the Imperial March without the stupid lyrics to EMPIRE ON ICE going through my head.
So, if Nintendo made a (possibly bad) parody of Super Mario 3, would Bob still be fine with it? I'm kind of doubting it, though I also can't deny that there isn't that much of a line between what is and is not sacred in geek culture. I think it's more of a gut feeling consensus and there seems to be a consensus that this is wrong, no matter how apt a comparison it is.
Then again, I could barely pay attention to the article after seeing that there is a hotdog pizza. I'm not sure what to think of it and I'm confused as to why the free mustard drizzle appeals to me.
Then again, I could barely pay attention to the article after seeing that there is a hotdog pizza. I'm not sure what to think of it and I'm confused as to why the free mustard drizzle appeals to me.
Weird Al would never write parodies as simplistic and lame as the songs in Star Wars Kinect. He's too good at his craft for that.
Other than that, Bob, you are entirely correct and thank you for saying it.
Other than that, Bob, you are entirely correct and thank you for saying it.
I love Mario 3 as much as Bob does and I'd be fine with it, pending judgment based on the actual quality of the parody (which is where I think the songs in Star Wars Kinect fail).The Grim Ace said:
I never actually bought any of those kinds of shirts. And if I did, I wouldn't wear them ironically. If I bought a Super Mario shirt, I'd wear it because I actually liked the shirt and liked Super Mario Brothers and wasn't unwilling to admit it.
I do occasionally wear shirts ironically. For example, I'm currently wearing a shirt that reads "I know I'm sexy, can we please not make a big deal of it?" I bought it specifically because I thought it was funny that an admittedly ugly fellow like myself would wear a shirt like that. I like irony when it's actually ironic. 'sgot a tangy flavor to it.
I do occasionally wear shirts ironically. For example, I'm currently wearing a shirt that reads "I know I'm sexy, can we please not make a big deal of it?" I bought it specifically because I thought it was funny that an admittedly ugly fellow like myself would wear a shirt like that. I like irony when it's actually ironic. 'sgot a tangy flavor to it.
Wait wait, people were actually bothered by this?
Every person I've seen it with just thought of it as a silly, if over-elaborate, joke. If people were genuinely bothered by it, well, shit.
I for one am pretty tired of "ironic enjoyment". People are getting too post-modern for their own good, and they really need punching back into the 50s; a time when tucking your shirt into your trousers was fashionable and, crucially, meant nothing else.
Every person I've seen it with just thought of it as a silly, if over-elaborate, joke. If people were genuinely bothered by it, well, shit.
I for one am pretty tired of "ironic enjoyment". People are getting too post-modern for their own good, and they really need punching back into the 50s; a time when tucking your shirt into your trousers was fashionable and, crucially, meant nothing else.
Never listen to geek culture. They never say anything worth listening to.
Most of the time, they just say how you should listen to them, like they're catholic priests or something.
Most of the time, they just say how you should listen to them, like they're catholic priests or something.
Hot Dog Pizza? A sausage stuffed crust has existed in Asian Pizza Huts for years (you can even see product placement of it in the Code Geass anime). Japan now stuffs their pizza crusts with sausages that are in turn stuffed with mayonnaise.
I don't know if that's really a rule. I mean, "self-parody" exists in a lot of things, like Metal Gear for instance, has all these jokes about previous entries in the actual game itself.The Gentleman said:
That would be classified more as an "inside joke" rather than a parody or satire (we'll see how Metal Gear Rising turns out before we make any determinations on whether we classify that series as absurd comedy).Gatx said:
Personally, I think what pissed people the most off about the Dance segment was less that is was Star Wars and more that it was effectively just a skin for a dancing game combined with really bad covers (and no, replacing a few words to change the theme does not make you Weird Al. You need to change the entire meaning of the song while making it recognizable as a reference to the original song, see Fat or Amish Paradise. Empire Today does not do that with YMCA).
I have no problem with the characters dancing, but there's a point beyond that where I just can't laugh and just start to feel the mental pain that comes with a really unfunny joke (or a pun). For me, it was less about the characters dancing and more about the terrible covers that turned slap-stick into tragedy. Would I laugh at the idea of Boba Fett doing the YMCA? Hell yes! But if you change the song lyrics to something that attempts to fit the scene, then you loose the absurdity of it all and it just become painful to watch...Buretsu said:
The problem is that they did too much to make it "Star Wars-y." Keep the original songs and they may have been able to avoid this being the highlighted feature in that car wreck of a game, even a fun break from the gameplay, but hitting the absurdity sweetspot just didn't happen.
Does Bob being a hypocrite completely remove how hypocritical the overly obsessive Star Wars fans are acting? You might not like his character but his points are still valid? We see people praise parody works from Robot Chicken and such but the minute Lucas Arts parodies their own work that's when people scream bloody murder.SpiderJerusalem said:
I think the whole uproar has more to do with the fact that the video degraded the characters, but wasn't funny. There's another dance scene in Kinect Star Wars of both Darth Vader and Emperor Palpatine having a dance-off, which can be found right over here [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvafvTnji-Y]. There's a much more positive response to that video than the Han Solo video, and I believe that's because (A): the Darth Vader Dance-Off is just more ridiculous, which in turn translates out to being more funny, and (B): Deadmau5 makes great music geared toward a specific audience while a mediocre pop song tries to encapsulate everybody without appealing to any specific audience.