November 5th

[ckam]

"Remember, remember
The Fifth of November,
The gunpowder treason and plot.
I know of no reason why the gunpowder treason should ever be forgot."

I used the search bar thing to look up any similar threads, but I didn't find any. So I guess I'll start it. After looking at the day when I posted this thread here, today [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.321615-Heres-something-that-I-found-near-my-college], I remembered that it's November 5th, which is Guy Fawkes Night [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night]. Also known as Fireworks Night, Bonfire Night, Gunpowder Treason Day.

In the 17th century, Guy Fawkes and some other people thought the King James I of England had too much power and sought to lit him up with explosives and other things. They got caught, and I believe the first one captured was Fawkes, and executed. The day became celebrated almost immediately when the government told the public to celebrate the king's livelihood by making bonfires. That's the basic gist of this day.

I usually celebrate this day by myself, since there aren't that many people who are actually British or read V For Vendetta. If you weren't planning to do anything special for tonight, why don't you join me in celebrating a lovely rhyme? To honor a man who tried to "Row, Row, Fight the Power! [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7aUT13qtM]"

For starters: All right, old man. I drink to you.

edit: Fuck ninja'd.

 

[Dr Pussymagnet]

I didn't know Guy Fawkes was Japanese.

 

[9thRequiem]

I didn't know Guy Fawkes was Japanese.

We're using the same historical accuracy that re-imagines him as someone trying to take down the monachy for having too much power. Compared to that, being Japanese isn't really a big thing.

In my re-imagining, Guy Fawkes is actually a mustachioed squirrel with a skateboard.

 

[Montezuma's Lawyer]

Not to mention the fact that he was trying to bring the church into the forefront again, he was a damn terrorist.

 

[Jadak]

Guido Fawkes gave up his people under interrogation before he was hung, kinda shows a lack of commitment to cause

Not really. Ever been professionally tortured? Me neither, and nobody who hasn't should even think about looking down on someone for that.

Of course, if it's absolutely undisputed that by "interrogation", all anyone did was ask nicely and he caved. Then yeah, he's a pussy. Otherwise, not necessarily.

 

[Bluntman1138]

I was under the impression that 1605 was the 17th century, not the 18th. Perhaps learning more about the subject might help you a bit.

And a failed attempt by a Chrisitian terrorist, to kill a King, and replace that King with just another King, really isnt "fighting for the people" now is it?

In the 18th century,

 

[ckam]

I was under the impression that 1605 was the 17th century, not the 18th. Perhaps learning more about the subject might help you a bit.

And a failed attempt by a Chrisitian terrorist, to kill a King, and replace that King with just another King, really isnt "fighting for the people" now is it?

In the 18th century,

Oh, woops. I didn't see that there. Thanks, I'll fix it now.

Clegane]

In the 18th century, Guy Fawkes and some other people thought the King James I of England had too much power and sought to lit him up with explosives and other things. They got caught, and I believe the first one captured was Fawkes, and executed. The day became celebrated almost immediately when the government told the public to celebrate the king's livelihood by making bonfires. That's the basic gist of this day.

You know that's complete bullshit right? Guy Fawkes tried to blow up the houses of Parliament because he was a stout Catholic and James the First (and consequently the Government of the time) were Protestant. All this fighting the man and against the authority bullshit is 'V for Vendettas' utter fabrication, don't get me wrong, it's good, just historically bullshit.

...

If you guys are gonna cannibalize our history at last get it right

Not meaning to blow your horn here, but I never said he tried to destroy all authority. I know he was trying to get Catholics into greater power, but that doesn't mean he wasn't trying to fight the power of the current government at that time. Also, they did think King James I of England had too much power, so they tried to kill him. So, no. It wasn't complete bullshit.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

snip

Guy Fawkes didn't try to "Row, Row, Fight the Powah!" he tried to "Row, Row, re-establish the rule of the Catholic Church in England by killing the entire country's leadership" also everyone on the internet has seen V for Vendetta 6 times.

EDIT: Seems litterally everyone on this thread has "ninja'd" me, God how I hate that term, regardless, go blow some shit up if you feel like it.

 

[ckam]

Clegane]

In the 18th century, Guy Fawkes and some other people thought the King James I of England had too much power and sought to lit him up with explosives and other things.

No you pretty much said it there. And to be fair, I never said he tried to 'blow up all authority' either, where on earth did you get that idea from?

The fact is the motives were purely religious and your post incredibly fallacious.

Don't go getting uppity with me.

So, we basically agree that I'm not wrong. OK, done.

snip

Guy Fawkes didn't try to "Row, Row, Fight the Powah!" he tried to "Row, Row, re-establish the rule of the Catholic Church in England by killing the entire country's leadership" also everyone on the internet has seen V for Vendetta 6 times.

EDIT: Seems litterally everyone on this thread has "ninja'd" me, God how I hate that term, regardless, go blow some shit up if you feel like it.

You were ninja'd, but I think you're the only one who caught the real problem of my post. So congratulations, you're not an idiot. If we had dis/likes on these forums, I would definitely like yours.

 

[LarenzoAOG]

Clegane]

In the 18th century, Guy Fawkes and some other people thought the King James I of England had too much power and sought to lit him up with explosives and other things.

No you pretty much said it there. And to be fair, I never said he tried to 'blow up all authority' either, where on earth did you get that idea from?

The fact is the motives were purely religious and your post incredibly fallacious.

Don't go getting uppity with me.

So, we basically agree that I'm not wrong. OK, done.

snip

Guy Fawkes didn't try to "Row, Row, Fight the Powah!" he tried to "Row, Row, re-establish the rule of the Catholic Church in England by killing the entire country's leadership" also everyone on the internet has seen V for Vendetta 6 times.

EDIT: Seems litterally everyone on this thread has "ninja'd" me, God how I hate that term, regardless, go blow some shit up if you feel like it.

You were ninja'd, but I think you're the only one who caught the real problem of my post. So congratulations, you're not an idiot. If we had dis/likes on these forums, I would definitely like yours.

Hooray! I'm not an idiot!

 

[Imperioratorex Caprae]

Funny, I never liked V for Vendetta as a comic, and I never watched the movie, and think that venerating a failed religious revolutionary is sad.

 

[Soviet Heavy]

Our University Residence is playing V for Vendetta tonight. Gonna be fun.

I think a lot of the misconceptions about Guy Fawkes day come from the Film version of V for Vendetta.

Guy Fawkes was a terrorist and religious fanatic, plain and simple. The original Alan Moore comic was not a clear cut "Fight for Freedom!" message. V from the comics would have the world burn in total anarchy to get back at the Norsefire party. He was not a hero, he was a manipulative asshole who inspired people under false pretenses to rise up and annihilate the party out of misguided patriotism.

The film version makes him into a Freedom Fighter, who is heroic and fighting for a good cause. It doesn't focus on how fucked up everything will be after Parliament is destroyed, nor the power vacuum and total chaos that would follow the societal collapse. Its still a very good and fun film, but it doesn't follow the spirit of the Graphic Novel.

 

[Redlin5_v1legacy]

Huh, happens to be my birthday today too. The more you know. I should have googled the day's significance though to be honest.