NSA Harvests Facebook, Google, Apple User Data, Secret Files Claim

Hagi

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to ensure that only non-US persons outside the US are targeted
I still find it utterly hilarious that there's actually people that upon reading this go "Oh, well that's okay then". And to make it even better those people are living in a country that likes to pride itself on it's sense of freedom and democracy.

Ah well, just Americans being American. Nothing all too new there.
 

Ukomba

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I'd better be careful what I write on this forum. The NSA might give my political comments to the IRS, and they'll deny my kids a lung transplant or something. I'd better avoid calling anyone about it too. I'd say the press would get involved, but they'd just be named co-conspirators and investigated along with anyone who leaked the information.

Well, at least I feel safe...
 

Lightknight

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I think we all kinda knew this already. People had joked about it and I can't think of any better way to get intel on people. So this is just something I'm surprised hasn't already been verified.
 

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I'm not shocked. This has been going on for some time now and it's only going to get worse. I can go on a long political/corporate tirade right now but it wouldn't be anything that hasn't been already said. But I will say this, remember how the Xbone and its kinnect wants to always be online and checking with the mothership every 24 hours. They aint building a data collection center in Utah for shits and giggles people.
 

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I hope the government has a taste for black metal and amputee porn, because that's the data they're getting out of me.
 

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Oh, I hope you Americans will enjoy being spied on by your kinects!

Wait... The NSA only spies on us dirty foreigners? And they even have the audacity to defend themselves by saying that they're not spying on US citizens but only on foreigners outside the USA? HOW IS THAT A GOOD THING!
*the last bit came from an article from the guardian/BBC. The US security chief defended the thing by saying it was entirely legal, the obama administration was not out of bounds and oh yeah, they weren't spying on people on American soil. That makes it totally okay. It's the last bit which really pissed me off*

This bit:

James Clapper, director of US national intelligence, said in a statement on Thursday the internet communications surveillance programme was "designed to facilitate the acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning non-US persons located outside the United States".

"It cannot be used to intentionally target any US citizen, any other US person, or anyone located within the United States," he added.

source [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22820711]

For a country which loves freedom so much, the US is sure turning into a police state... Shame, there's some pretty cool people there :C
 

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America: land of the free. Or at least, the government is free to do whatever it wants. At least they aren't spying on me. Unless I talk to anyone outside the states. Which is just about every time, what with the internet being international and all.
So, bets on how long it takes for other countries to get pissed enough to start a war?
 

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commasplice said:
CriticalMiss said:
Oh good, so they aren't spying on USAires... just everyone else.
eltonborges said:
Ok, so, if this thing is real, it's a bigger problem only to people outside the US of A.
Well, I wouldn't necessarily say THAT. I mean, just look at the whole current debacle with the IRS. Just because they SAY they're only gonna use it on non-MURRICANS doesn't mean they WON'T use it on people within the country. Either way, the whole thing strikes me as kinda gross, y'know?
While that isn't a problem for the US government - they don't care, and know their constituents don't care - about them spying on other countries' populations, this could potentially become a very real problem for the companies involved here. These are multinational corporations, who rely on many foreign markets, who are here implicated in breaching privacy in a massive, ongoing operation run by the U.S. government. That's a BIG no-no, and I wouldn't be surprised to see these companies duck out, or face massive public backlash.

And for those who are asking whether it's a real thing, yes, it's a real thing. Obama has come out in defense of the program. (Citation: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22820711).
 

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Artemis923 said:
I hope the government has a taste for black metal and amputee porn, because that's the data they're getting out of me.
Yeah, you tell 'em!
 
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I really don't care if I get warning or banned for this post but all can say is this to the NSA
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Scene: NSA Headquarters, interior, March 31, 2011, (around lunchtime):
"When are we going to get Apple on board for all of the data mining...that we do? They're still a hold out? Shit. When is Steve Jobs going to die?!?! We have to show something this year. What else could we get? AOL? Is that still a thing? Okay. Get that...before lunch. We'll work on Apple in October."

What is the Y-axis on this graph. Why is there a triangle behind the yellow text bubbles? Is it a flat rate ~$20million per year regardless of the number of companies "indoctrinated"? Regardless of illegalities and immoralities, this is simply a poor graph.
 

DoveAlexa

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I don't want to live a cyberpunk distopia ;_;

How far back in time do we have to go to hit the money spot of most modernity and least government life-ruining, holding you hostage by every move you make? I'd guess late 70's early 80's. Maybe early 90's but by then everyone seemed fairly caged in by their own personal information by then.

God, what is the future going to look like...
 

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Good to know the USA is spying on me because I'm a non-USA citizen outside the USA -.-

Fuck off NSA Australia and everyone else do not like you.
 

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"It involves extensive procedures, specifically approved by the court, to ensure that only non-US persons outside the US are targeted, and that minimize the acquisition, retention and dissemination of incidentally acquired information about US persons."

Even if this wasn't almost certainly blatant lie, here's why it doesn't matter:

"Analysts who use the system from a Web portal at Fort Meade, Md., key in ?selectors,? or search terms, that are designed to produce at least 51 percent confidence in a target?s ?foreignness.?"

"Even when the system works just as advertised, with no American singled out for targeting, the NSA routinely collects a great deal of American content. That is described as ?incidental,? and it is inherent in contact chaining, one of the basic tools of the trade. To collect on a suspected spy or foreign terrorist means, at minimum, that everyone in the suspect?s inbox or outbox is swept in. Intelligence analysts are typically taught to chain through contacts two ?hops? out from their target, which increases ?incidental collection? exponentially."

And here's the kicker, from Inspector General absurdist mastermind I. Charles McCullough III: "...it would violate the privacy of Americans in NSA data banks to try to estimate their number."

My god, who knew the Monty Python of our times was working for the NSA? I can't even touch that statement, it's so absurd.
 

Roxas1359

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Oh know, the government knows that I like to search for the fonts that are in games!
Seriously I gave up the idea that any people had actual privacy at all after the Patriot Act was signed way long ago. In this day and age privacy is something that is said to be there, but doesn't actually exist as long as the internet and social media are out there.
Still, just put this on the list of things I don't like about my government, which the NSA probably knows about. XD
Plus corporations have been doing this for ages as well so everything in our lives is always being monitored.
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sleeky01

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So my e-mail and such will not be spyed on if I include an American IP address?

Cool.

 

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Vegosiux said:
Wait, did US intelligence agencies go openly on record saying they're spying on foreign citizens in foreign countries? Now, to quote my favorite scumbag of all times:

"Do the words 'political shitstorm' mean anything to you?"

I mean, show your hand in espionage buisness? Why in blue blazes would you do that?
You do know that US Intelligence agencies (CIA specifically) can ONLY (legally) operate on foreign soil, right? So how exactly is this showing their hand, other then the "how" they are spying?

OT- If something like this was in the works I figure a select few would know it even exists and those people would not blow the whistle on it, regardless of the legality. It would be used to gather evidence, but not be sited as to not revel the program's existence. So, Imma say false.
 

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Sarge034 said:
You do know that US Intelligence agencies (CIA specifically) can ONLY (legally) operate on foreign soil, right? So how exactly is this showing their hand, other then the "how" they are spying?
Countermeasures are so much easier if you know how the other party is infiltrating. And I'm pretty sure the leaders of countries that are not USA give a damn whether or not CIA is legally allowed to spy on their own people.
 

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Guys, you Americans are SPECIFICALLY targeted. Foreginers were specifically EXCLUDED

Alex Jones from Infowars.com was talking about this 15 years ago and people laughed, when you people laugh you laugh on your own ignorance, pretty sad.