Simple game aesthetics. People who buy fallout wanna live in a post-apocalyptic wasteland. It's a little tough to get that feeling when you're walking around and the place actually looks livable. If you play Fallout 2 I think you'll find there are, in fact, cities like the NCR that are clean and actually look pretty good. But that wouldn't really sell the atmosphere they're going for.
Nuclear bombs kill the will to clean
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radiation in the fallout universe does not work like it does in the real world. it's not a case of "let's take liberty with science for plot/gameplay reasons" the fallout universe is NOT our own. i mean we also know absorbing enough radiation doesn't make you immortal in the real world and yet in fallout it does. and you might have noticed those microchips we have been using in computers in the last few decades? never happened in fallout. that's the reason why there are no laptops and pip-boys are super rare and make you ultra special, they lack the tech to build smaller computer.Worgen said:
those are the two main differences, radiation (and nuclear physics in general) are different, allowing for ghouls(and other mutated species), power-armor and laser-weapons. and no microchips because they wanted the computers to look like something form the 50s.
and in case you have played honest hearts you may have noticed that there is a lot more green in that part of the US because it wasn't bombed.
i am also pretty sure they set the in california on purpose because california being a wasteland with high temperatures and a lot of sun where everything is brown is a lot easier to imagine than let's say [insert particularly green part of US here]
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Dude, I know fallout, I've been playing the games since the first one came out. Its still stupid that its so barren. But that is more on lazy world builders who really wanted a mad max feel than anything else.teebeeohh said:
Well 125 years ago, we weren't trying to recover from a nuclear war. :/sanquin said:
OT: Well from what I've seen in places like say, Goodsprings, the people seemed sort of clean. Well, as clean as a small settlement in the middle of a post-apocalyptic desert would be anyway. Of course they don't really have to deal with the massive amounts of rubble and debris as much as say, the people in the outer parts of New Vegas do.
Considering that 50-100 men is considered a major strike force... Yea, the population is probably pretty damn low. I mean, The Legion was supposed to have conquered all of the east and their invasion was like, what.. 500 or so people? Not counting the fact that a lot of those guys were slaves.Random berk said:
Oh, and 20 or so people make up a settlement. A Settlement. Even in pre-historic time settlements had around 75-100 people. This suggests that the world population is lower than the human population in ancient times, when 'we' were still hunter/gatherers.
No, but I can tell you the key ingredient is ammonia, which is also the key ingredient in 409, Fantastik, and most other basic houshold cleaners. Worst comes to worst, you could actually clean your windows with watered down urine. It's happened in various places in the past.Slycne said:
OT: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff like this in Fallout. It really doesn't make sense that it would stay a wasteland that far out from the war, either.
Well, are those in-game population numbers, or lore numbers?Nikolaz72 said:
In-game population numbers are stupidly small because of scale, Megaton had what? like 20 people in it in-game? in reality it probably had more then 100.
Don't think of it as they haven't move the fridge away from the front door; think of it as they moved the fridge out of the house, then next to the front door. Cuz that son of a ***** is heavy and they didn't feel like moving it any farther. See? They tidy up. At least a little bit.
Apparently its lore numbers. If it was ingame the final battle had like what, 20 people in total? xD. But yea, there are settlements with like 5 people living theme... When you think about it anything below a settlement of 100 would be unable to sustain itself for a longer period of time. Which is shown by the fact that there are a ton of abandoned settlements.SajuukKhar said:
It was designed based on the 50's preconception of what a nuclear wasteland would look like. That is it's style. In the making of fallout 3 they state something along the lines of "we know that there probably would have been nuclear winter but we liked the 50's image, a dry wasteland".Worgen said:
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I think it was more that they wanted a mad max type of setting. Its hard to really show you having to fight off crazed bandits all the time when your in a lush woodland setting.xXGeckoXx said:
One mans trash is another mans treasure.
I spent two tours in afghanistan, and we rarely threw out big things. Hell, the bigger it was, the more potential uses it had. As well, when we had some down time it gave us oportunities to tinker with things and get them working again. Some times, we could find a new purpose for the item. My friend created a make shift fridge in one of our trucks, in another camp we had a pieced together couch and patio area. At one point we even made a decent coal bbq out of an old sand bagging tool. You never know what that broken down fridge could be used for.
Fun story; we had a broken IKEA style chair lying around, all it needed was a few screws and it would be good as new. My buddy happened to know of another area that had the same chairs in their break area. We went over, had a chat with them, smoking and joking, all the while my buddy had a small screwdriver out and snagged the parts we needed. Even better was a week later they decided their "broken" chairs were no good and threw em out, we were there to pick em up and find another fix.
I spent two tours in afghanistan, and we rarely threw out big things. Hell, the bigger it was, the more potential uses it had. As well, when we had some down time it gave us oportunities to tinker with things and get them working again. Some times, we could find a new purpose for the item. My friend created a make shift fridge in one of our trucks, in another camp we had a pieced together couch and patio area. At one point we even made a decent coal bbq out of an old sand bagging tool. You never know what that broken down fridge could be used for.
Fun story; we had a broken IKEA style chair lying around, all it needed was a few screws and it would be good as new. My buddy happened to know of another area that had the same chairs in their break area. We went over, had a chat with them, smoking and joking, all the while my buddy had a small screwdriver out and snagged the parts we needed. Even better was a week later they decided their "broken" chairs were no good and threw em out, we were there to pick em up and find another fix.
It actually depends on what settlement you're referring to. The harder the living is there, the dirtier the place is. Goodsprings is less messy than a lot of actual trailer parks in Nevada. Even in Fallout 3, Megaton and Tenpenny Tower are pretty well organized compared to the wasteland. When you're struggling to survive every day you clean up your home, but not your block.
Also, the refrigerators and radios in such places tend to be in working order, and the only broken glass tends to be in the front of a well-used cabinet.
...I would take the glass out of the cabinet, really... but that would take more models for cabinets in the game.
Also, the refrigerators and radios in such places tend to be in working order, and the only broken glass tends to be in the front of a well-used cabinet.
...I would take the glass out of the cabinet, really... but that would take more models for cabinets in the game.
Why do people live in dirty houses?
Maybe because they have more pressing things on their minds like daily survival.
Why is there junk right outside their houses?
Because junk is actually made up of loads of useful materials and objects that you can scavenge, and the closer to your house, the less energy you'll expend getting it.
Why are there fridges right outside people's doors?
Let's ask this guy:
He doesn't seem too bothered about that metal box with a brick on it right beside the stairs.
The Rio De Janeiro favelas are pretty similar to the houses in Fallout, makeshift shacks covered and surrounded in rubbish, and even inside many of the houses are filthy, because when you're worrying about raiders, starvation, horrific mutants and radiation a dusty worktop doesn't matter.
People live exactly like this in the real world today, and they didn't need an apocalypse to get that way, so it's not so far-fetched really.
Maybe because they have more pressing things on their minds like daily survival.
Why is there junk right outside their houses?
Because junk is actually made up of loads of useful materials and objects that you can scavenge, and the closer to your house, the less energy you'll expend getting it.
Why are there fridges right outside people's doors?
Let's ask this guy:
He doesn't seem too bothered about that metal box with a brick on it right beside the stairs.
The Rio De Janeiro favelas are pretty similar to the houses in Fallout, makeshift shacks covered and surrounded in rubbish, and even inside many of the houses are filthy, because when you're worrying about raiders, starvation, horrific mutants and radiation a dusty worktop doesn't matter.
People live exactly like this in the real world today, and they didn't need an apocalypse to get that way, so it's not so far-fetched really.
Two words: ambiance and set-dressing. Visual disorder gives the area a feeling of disjointedness and destruction. What better way to reinforce the idea of a post-apocalyptic world than broken stuff piled up?Ezekiel T Bluff said:
Also, especially in games, it can be difficult to make something look "clean" without making it look "fake." Having dirty things and lots of differently-textured things scattered around looks more natural than something that is clean and organized. In real-life we don't really question how "real" a clean room is, but in CGI it is very easy for "clean" to come across as "artificial" or "computery." So having lots of stuff around abates that "computery-ness" so as not to break the immersion.