Your avatar makes me quite happy inside. That should be noted.Piecewise said:
OT: What can I say? For every vaguely intelligent person out there, there are a hundred complete effing morons.
'Tis but a fact of life, albiet a sad one at that.
Nuclear weapons never existed
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OT: What can I say? For every vaguely intelligent person out there, there are a hundred complete effing morons.
'Tis but a fact of life, albiet a sad one at that.
.... I am completely dumbfounded 
I had no idea there were such people.
His primary argument seems to be that they're just zooming in on the sun. Well, need I remind him that a nuclear explosion is essentially a miniature sun? And the theory of relativity goes by e=mc^2, furthermore, it only applies to regular physics. Not quantum mechanics.
eesh....
I had no idea there were such people.
His primary argument seems to be that they're just zooming in on the sun. Well, need I remind him that a nuclear explosion is essentially a miniature sun? And the theory of relativity goes by e=mc^2, furthermore, it only applies to regular physics. Not quantum mechanics.
eesh....
The only thing that disturbs me about conspiracy theorists is the incredible urge i get to gouge their eyes out with pencils for being morons
I wish i could sit back and laugh at them....
I wish i could sit back and laugh at them....
Hey I exist!! oh wait... maybe i dont exist, maybe im a figment of some conspiracy theory to promote alcoholism around the world. No wait i existgrimsprice said:
Serious these people... Its painful to watch and to listen to. This is one of those times i dont even want to call him stupid for fear of belittling stupid people. A seperate category needs to be defined just a hairs breath above clinically retarded for these people. A simple grasp of even the most basic particle physics...simple logic ... I mean just look with your eyes dammit!!
and as for..
This is why the stereotype of stupid American exists.. people like this. I still think its an atrocity you need a licence for a dog but not a child. Screening could do wonders for our species..MaxTheReaper said:
Your refering to a philosphical question known as Putnams Vat. essentially ity is teh brain in teh jar arguement, that seeks to prove that if you were a brain in a jar with your senses hardwired to say a supercomputer feeding you scenarios you could never tell the difference between the real world and the percieved world. Which is an interesting debate but hardly practical.Kurokami said:That doesn't mean you know.GrandAm said:Yes I do. Because when I hold it after a while I feel lightheaded and start to see funny light paterns in my field of vision. I have not seen Antartica, does that mean it does't exist. I did not see Lincoln sign the Amancipation Proclomation, but black people in my country (USA) vote and we even have a black president. No offense but theoretical debates about what is real in perception does not dismiss evidence. Not that you were suggesting so. You mentioned how do we know. The craters, earthquakes, eye witness accounts, you know evidence.Woem said:This guy is a genius. He's really asking a philosophical question here. How do you know? How do you know anything?
You think that's air you're breathing?
Although Trinity was fine in the first one. Two and three goes to Jada or the woman in red...
I agree that kind of concept has no place in argument, only in debate or speculation. But it isn't one that can be dismissed (or rather disproved) because you don't live through fact, you live through perception. (your own that is)
What makes me laugh the most is the thought of the Cold War without nuclear weapons.
I can just imagine US presidents bluffing about their nukes,then Soviet leaders going all:"oh shit,oh shit,let's say we have them too and fill gigantic holes with TNT to simulate tests".
What made me less laugh is that guy denying events such as Chernobyl(in youtube comments),saying nuclear phenomena aren't really the cause.
Yes,those poor bastards my ages forced to scoop up radioactif graphite protected only by couple lead sheets and fucking frying pans taped to their heads are just lies.
So are the deaths of hundreds of natives in the bikini atoll due to fallout.
I can just imagine US presidents bluffing about their nukes,then Soviet leaders going all:"oh shit,oh shit,let's say we have them too and fill gigantic holes with TNT to simulate tests".
What made me less laugh is that guy denying events such as Chernobyl(in youtube comments),saying nuclear phenomena aren't really the cause.
Yes,those poor bastards my ages forced to scoop up radioactif graphite protected only by couple lead sheets and fucking frying pans taped to their heads are just lies.
So are the deaths of hundreds of natives in the bikini atoll due to fallout.
Regarding your date. Wow!!!. That is either someone that would make you happy for the rest of your life or you run away from screaming...No offense intended.ntafiend said:
The principal theory conspiracy types anywhere for the Moon or in this guys case state it was to spook the USSR. In the 60's the USSR boldy stated they would bury us (USA). They placed nuclear missiles on Cuba; 90 miles from floria and within range of Washington. The Cuban Missile Crisis. We were each others most feared enemies without equal. We both acknowledge our successes and failure. It was not a time to delude our selves on either side. They shot down our U2, we definately acknowledge that now. When the wall fell the USSR said the Star Wars program Regan started was a big part of it. Basically saying they could not afford to compete with the USA finacially. They ran out of money countering it. The deception was the USA becuase none of it existed other than conceptually or in developent. The soviets bought it. But we both acknowledged each other and do now as well as then. Again we acknowleded Sputnick and they acknowledged the Moon. The USA also acknowledged and stand to this day the USSR was the first to land unmanned craft on Venus. The photos are the only ones of its actual surface for decades. The USA has not surpased Venus to the best of my knowledge.
He has logic behind some of the things he said. I myself always wondered about some of the camera angles, so those videos may have well been propaganda. But, there is no way nukes don't exist. There are japanese citizens that reported seeing it, plus they got radiation sickness and suffered various mutations. There's no way that was made up.
He's just trying so hard to see a conspiracy that he isn't seeing common sense.
To me, his "There are no nukes" theory is the exact same thing as "Life after death." most religious people believe in. It's just some silly stuff glued together to make people feel safer.
He's just trying so hard to see a conspiracy that he isn't seeing common sense.
To me, his "There are no nukes" theory is the exact same thing as "Life after death." most religious people believe in. It's just some silly stuff glued together to make people feel safer.
Actually I do hold it does have place for debate. Whenever doubt exists there is room for debate. But to understand perception one must look at and understand all of what is being perceived. Theory means no more to perception than mashed potatoes mean to a meal. Same with evidence compared to a steak. Both are required to complete the "meal." Holding theory while ignoring the evidence is not scientific...it is personal bias. Examining evidence without a theory to apply it to, is useless. It is debatable what evidence is, but not theory. Theory is fantasy till evidence suppot it.Kurokami said:That doesn't mean you know.GrandAm said:Yes I do. Because when I hold it after a while I feel lightheaded and start to see funny light paterns in my field of vision. I have not seen Antartica, does that mean it does't exist. I did not see Lincoln sign the Amancipation Proclomation, but black people in my country (USA) vote and we even have a black president. No offense but theoretical debates about what is real in perception does not dismiss evidence. Not that you were suggesting so. You mentioned how do we know. The craters, earthquakes, eye witness accounts, you know evidence.Woem said:This guy is a genius. He's really asking a philosophical question here. How do you know? How do you know anything?
You think that's air you're breathing?
Although Trinity was fine in the first one. Two and three goes to Jada or the woman in red...
I agree that kind of concept has no place in argument, only in debate or speculation. But it isn't one that can be dismissed (or rather disproved) because you don't live through fact, you live through perception. (your own that is)
I agree it is my perception, but it is others direct multiple evidence. I have not seen the solar system from abbove its orbital plan. I have to believe it exists based on the evidence.
Okay I have to admit this guy does make one or two fair point, however the fact that he has never seen a nuclear bomb has a lot to do with the fact that he has not been bombed. So by that logic to a blind man nothing exists...
The basis of his argument is trees? What a twat.
Besides, even if the trees are fake, weren't the nukes tested on remote islands? May be they set up some artificial trees, OR MAYBE! The trees were planted in (shock f*cking horror!) straight lines!
Seriously, if it was possible (I don't know if there are any survivors still alive now) he should be introduced to someone from Hiroshima/Nagasaki. I'm sure they'd be really open minded about what this cock has to say.
Besides, even if the trees are fake, weren't the nukes tested on remote islands? May be they set up some artificial trees, OR MAYBE! The trees were planted in (shock f*cking horror!) straight lines!
Seriously, if it was possible (I don't know if there are any survivors still alive now) he should be introduced to someone from Hiroshima/Nagasaki. I'm sure they'd be really open minded about what this cock has to say.
I believe it's entirely possible that some of the videos are fake. But these are videos from like what? 60 years ago? 70? Who cares if they're doctored. If you REALLY care i'm sure you can find some up to date videos depicting big flashy explosions.
Besides, he comments on how "ineffectual" the blasts are during the tests. They are called tests for a reason, it means they have not got it to work satisfactorily yet. For all we know that was one of the early tests where they barely exploded or something.
As for the "zomg who is filming? what about all the radiation? wows". It's called a tri-pod. They're not really that hard to get.
Besides, he comments on how "ineffectual" the blasts are during the tests. They are called tests for a reason, it means they have not got it to work satisfactorily yet. For all we know that was one of the early tests where they barely exploded or something.
As for the "zomg who is filming? what about all the radiation? wows". It's called a tri-pod. They're not really that hard to get.
