Nudity

[Xanadu84]

Its wrong, but the reason could be, in part, that violence can be very necessary for the story, the game play, etc, while nudity is almost never necessary.

Its just awesome.

Priorities seem to be backwards. Content wise, we seem to worry about Nudity and sex first, then swearing, then violence. In reality, Violence is the worst, followed by swearing as merely inappropriate, and last, nudity, which is a good thing in the right context.

 

[Furious Styles]

Really? How about some news segments from warzones where dead bodies can be seen from time to time?

Seeing a dead body isn't necessarily taboo, seeing a violent death is. it very much is. I think I've seen one in the entire time I've watched Tv.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

Nudity is associated with sex, which is taboo here in the states. I think nudity in games can work (Dragon Age,Red Dead Redemption) however I'm kinda afraid that it could lead to exploitation. "Here's two busty blonds in the shower....because..."

Which is the exact same thing movies have to keep in mind so they don't turn out to be a porno with a plot. It's not really a new problem and it's one easily avoided by people with actual brains instead of CPUs programmed to make money - like Bobby Kotick

 

[mageroel]

I seriously don't know and I totally agree with you on this one. They also made San Andreas 18+ because of some mod that could make all characters walk around nude if you downloaded it from some shady site... not because you could of course chop off someone's head with a katana or there was organised crime in it... So yeah, I'm totally in favour of having nudity become less of an obstacle in video games, and in the sense of Mass Effect I.

 

[Furious Styles]

Well, in movies and TV at least, the violence isn't real, the nudity is. That's the difference when it comes to censorship. Real violence is even more taboo, especially deaths and whatnot

So nudity in games is real but violence ingame isn't.

Hence my including the phrase "in movies and Tv at least"

 

[kouriichi]

Amarica just has a lead pipe stuck up its *ss, and the poisoning is already in the blood stream.

You can go to japan, where theyer open about there sexuality, and you can flip to free cable porn. And theyer crime rates are basically in the negatives when compaired to amarica's.

"Adult Games" showing any nudity are basically outlawed, because of every religious idiot in goverment pushing theyer ideas onto the people. The idea of "Seperation of Chirch and State" is one big lie when your president is christian.

I see no problem with nudity in adult video games. If a mother or father doesnt want theyer children exposed to it, dont purchase it for them. Thats what the ESRB rating is for. The game clearly marked "Blood and Gore", with the lable, "18+" means your 13 yearold spazoid of a child shouldent own it.

 

[k-ossuburb]

I suppose it'll go that way eventually; we've already seen glimpses of nudity creeping its way into gaming. Sexualization has been used to great effect in games, Bayonetta for example, and I've heard of other examples in other games that show nudity in various settings in some form or another. Eventually it'll be as widespread in games as it is in movies, it'll just take time for people to get used to the idea. That's my prediction anyway.

Personally I'd like to see nudity in a horror game. That feeling of total vulnerability would surely add some tension to a scene; like if your character was escaping a hospital after waking up on an autopsy table. I've never seen an autopsy or surgery where someone is fully clothed, and imagine how tense things would get if you knew that you had absolutely nothing to protect your frail body with against whatever horrors await you in the unlit corners of the winding corridors you pad down barefoot in hopes of salvation.

Sorry, I got a bit carried away there, NaNoWriMo is coming up and I need to exercise my inner novelist.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

Really? How about some news segments from warzones where dead bodies can be seen from time to time?

Seeing a dead body isn't necessarily taboo, seeing a violent death is. it very much is. I think I've seen one in the entire time I've watched Tv.

But, in my mind at least, a violent death would be comparable to rape, thus it's still very much disproportional where the threshold for what's accepteble to put opn air is.

 

[Iron Lightning]

Just name a point in a video game where nudity is omitted when it really needs to be there.

And this, no video game REALLY needs nudity, one of the reasons why i think duke nukem was so popular though is because it had it for all those kids who ... supposedly couldn't go out and find that porno

To both of you fine people: check out The Void. It has the most mature, nonsexual, artistic use of nudity that I've ever seen. The Void uses nudity to ascribe a necessary sense of vulnerability to some of its characters. I find it difficult to describe, it's certainly something that needs to be experienced. The Void would truly suffer without nudity. I am a citizen of the United States, a culture where nudity is equivalent to sexuality, and I did not find anything sexual about the aforementioned nudes. This isn't for some shallow reason, the nudes are not ugly, they are simply expressed so well that they are simply not sexual.

 

[Furious Styles]

But, in my mind at least, a violent death would be comparable to rape, thus it's still very much disproportional where the threshold for what's accepteble to put opn air is.

So how many real-life rapes have you seen on TV? Like actual rapes? Its just as rare as a death, if not rarer.

 

[Firia]

In the states, where at least a quarter of the target audience lives, and probably 1/3rd (guessing on these numbers) of the coders are employed, it's a culture based thing. To an extent, that very culture extends to (some places of) Europe. It's very much based in the bible. Teachings based on feeling ashamed of our naked body are indoctrinated into our society, and make its way into our subconsious. We operate this way because it's coded to be this way. Hundreds of years of biblical doctrine have taught us; be shamed of your naked form.

Now, some people like myself are not ashamed of their naked form. (No, I'm ashamed of the splotches on my skin, the 2 pack abs, and thighs that scream, "No, not the bathing suit!") I draw naked people all the time for my studies in art/design. The naked body is both beautiful and repulsive at the same time, but nothing to be shamed about. I also abandoned my religious upbringing.

There are many evangelicals (not sure that's how it's spelled) that get offended at the sight of nudity. It's a moral depravity saved for the privacy of ones own residence. These guys are tuned- not into the subconsious indoctrination biblical influences have had on us for centeries. No, these guys are hooked into the source!

Between biblical indoctrination and people who actively practice the teachings of the bible, we're kind of stuck in a place that frowns on nudity. Culture is shifting in the west, as it often does. We can swear more liberally on TV, and sexual themes aren't quite as taboo as they were say, 30 years ago. But for the time being, anything that tries to break pace of social shift will be shocking.

To address what the bible says about violence; in a nutshell, it's bad. But war is necessary at times... but it's bad. It's a violent book that contradicts itself a lot, but that's a highly volatile discussion for another day.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

Personally I'd like to see nudity in a horror game. That feeling of total vulnerability would surely add some tension to a scene; like if your character was escaping a hospital after waking up on an autopsy table. I've never seen an autopsy or surgery where someone is fully clothed, and imagine how tense things would get if you knew that you had absolutely nothing to protect your frail body with against whatever horrors await you in the unlit corners of the winding corridors you pad down barefoot in hopes of salvation.

Sorry, I got a bit carried away there, NaNoWriMo is coming up and I need to exercise my inner novelist.

I think that is a splendid idea. Thumbs up.

But, in my mind at least, a violent death would be comparable to rape, thus it's still very much disproportional where the threshold for what's accepteble to put opn air is.

So how many real-life rapes have you seen on TV? Like actual rapes? Its just as rare, if not rarer, as a murder.

Yeah I did not really word that any good.
What I was trying to get to is that sexual/nudity content gets cut out long before it reaches those levels, as american TV blurring out the nipples of a woman breastfeeding which is waaaaaay below showing a rape, but the same network might show a dead body in the news wich isn't far below showing the actual death. I apoligize for failing to word myself properly, thus causing confusion.

 

[Usurpurus]

If all violence or nudity isn't shown somewhat regularly, people will think of it as males think of breasts. Because you can't have/see it, you want it more.

 

[D Moness]

Well, in movies and TV at least, the violence isn't real, the nudity is. That's the difference when it comes to censorship. Real violence is even more taboo, especially deaths and whatnot

So nudity in games is real but violence ingame isn't.

Hence my including the phrase "in movies and Tv at least"

Yeah but the discussion was about videogames so i got it back to that topic .

You don't see full frontal nudity in billboards, T.V. ads, School Hallways and etc. I wish .It's generally about Culture, violence is undoubtedly part of culture but nudity is not.

God i wish after midnight there are 7 channels that broadcast text adds/phone adds for sex etc (together with women in all stages of undressed). These are channel you get normally. Thank heavens they quit doing it during late night movies. Do not find it funny to switch of the sound because the heavy breathing of the "commercials"is twice as loud as the movie)

 

[Stone Wera]

I think that nudity is far more acceptable than extreme violence, and can't see what the huge hullabaloo is over this. I'd rather my (hypothetical) child be having sex than killing someone. And by censoring things, you only demonize it, blowing it up to insane proportions until it bursts the second the pants come off.

 

[Abengoshis]

Because US society has some kind of phobia of referring to anything sexual.

And theyer crime rates are basically in the negatives when compaired to amarica's.

They resurrect people?

 

[Eclectic Dreck]

I agree that this is stupid, but it's already in a slow process of change. You're allowed to show tits on the CBC at 8PM now in Canada; no doubt the US will follow suit eventually as the boomers die off and we hedonists begin to replace them.

But the Boomers were hedonists. They were, after all, the hippies.

 

[The Clown]

i agree, i would rather have people being naked than decapitating eachother

 

[Irony's Acolyte]

So this is something that always bugged me, why is it that violence is much more accepted than nudity in videogames?

Because when Uncle Jeremiah goes and cuts the cow's throat back at the farm so we can all have some beefsteak, that's perfectly acceptable and you should watch and learn.

But sex is the devil's temptation and you should be ashamed for doing it. Now go do 1000 Hail Marys and repent for your sins.

Slightly less serious answer, but you can see where i'm coming from.

Pretty much this. While Australia was created as a penal colony, the thirteen colonies (the US) is where are the religous fanatics of Europe went so they wouldn't be persecuted. Many of these religous sects (the Puritans for instance) were very strict about their rules and laws. While violence wasn't necessarily frowned upon so long as you didn't go around murdering people wily-nily (and even that was okay so long as it was the right people), sex was a very private affair. Some of the early colonist didn't even like sex very much even between a man and a wife. They thought of it as very sinful and all that. Fast-forward about 200 years later and alot of people in America still have that same view about sex. Violence, while not necessarily considered a good thing, has a tendency to be glorified at times. The US was born in war and we Americans just love to remember our victories in WW2.

So that's why violence = okay at times while sex = very naughty in America. I'm guessing that violence isn't so glorified in Europe due to the fact that in 2 world wars were waged there and so people may better remember the horrors that come with violence.

 

[Furious Styles]

Yeah I did not really word that any good.
What I was trying to get to is that sexual/nudity content gets cut out long before it reaches those levels, as american TV blurring out the nipples of a woman breastfeeding which is waaaaaay below showing a rape, but the same network might show a dead body in the news wich isn't far below showing the actual death. I apoligize for failing to word myself properly, thus causing confusion.

Fair enough, in the news that is the case. In movies and TV I think that what i wrote definitely has validity. You aren't seeing a real murder but you are seeing a real cock/pussy/tit/arse