Nudity

[Madara XIII]

If this is strictly on influence of kids and young adults, they are much more likely to have sex and get a girl pregnant or get pregnant themselves rather than rob a bank or kill someone.

I gotta agree with ya on this one dude, Violence is something that may be impressionable, but Society views both as negative yet they are more ok with violence than nudity. Well to be perfectly honest I think that Society has set it up that way just to give games that stigma of "They're bad if they have these two elements in them".

Idk this is actually quite a hot button topic :/

 

[mega48man]

i totally see where you're coming from. as an art student, boobs aren't a big deal (unless it's p0rn because i'll tell you my friend, that is not art)

anyway, dragon age probably isn't the best example. dude, somewhere in the middle, this guy tells me that sex is a straight up plot device that alters the outcome of the entire game....wierd right? and the box art has blood all over it, it was asking for an M rating and thank god it asked for it. the entire blood nudity whatever works. it's like a really damn good R rated movie; yes there's the word fuck a lot and theres a scene with boobs in it but it was one of the greatest movies ever made in history (i.e. THE GODFATHER PART 1)

anyway, here's why i think nudity is bigger than violence;
what do saturday morning cartoon shows like ben 10 have? violence, or parents and kids call action. cool stuff us boys love, like chuck norris beating the living s**t out of an asian mob gang in hong kong, or indiana jones punching a nazi in the face, that's friggin awesome. i bet parents would honestly show indiana jones to their kids, maybe not little kids, but kids, that's when i found out about it.
now throw some naked woman in there and what are parents gonna say? NO WAY IN HELL IS MY CHILD WATCHING THIS!!! now you see the problem.

sex in an issue that's very closed in america where as in europe it isn't. a friend of my dad's who was visiting from sweeden was talking to us about it. he said that women here in america wear a LOT more clothing than they do in sweeden (no surprise to me there, but now that i've heard it from a sweedish citizen i've confirmed it for myself)

action/violence is something no one cares about, as long as there isn't a gears of war 2 level of blood and it's only punching and cool car chases. not anything like hostage situations where people are crying their eyes out when there's a gun pointed at their head and they get their brains blown out anyway, i myself wouldn't want kids to see that, that's horrible.

my rant here is done, now i'm off to play halo reach where i will violently stab people in the back.

 

[willsham45]

I guess it comes down to the still present association that is games are for kids. Vilance is has become acceptable because so many games use it. But nudity is bad and Kids could see it...If a child saw a naked women on screen they might think that that is what real women look like with out cloths on or there heads might explode.

I under stand games are rated at a harsher than movies but it is still off. For films it seams for a low age rating it either has to choose 1 off subject, drugs, sex vilance etc. Then of cause the more it has the higher the rating. In some movies you get nudity and violence, one movie that comes to mind hitman. That has nudity vilance and a 15 sticker on the front but if that was done in a video game it would be rolled into the ground by angery none gamers.

Nudity in games is there but it is soo rare it is hard to find and even when it does happen it is almost always nothing to get excited about.

 

[Nouw]

OP, I hope you read my post.

Yes I did, it was quite interesting.
It is (imho) indeed a flawed world we live in where kicking someone in the groin is more socialy accepteble than seeing a woman's nipple on TV.

Good to see. Also, awesome avatar and name!

 

[Admiral Stukov]

OP, I hope you read my post.

Yes I did, it was quite interesting.
It is (imho) indeed a flawed world we live in where kicking someone in the groin is more socialy accepteble than seeing a woman's nipple on TV.

Good to see. Also, awesome avatar and name!

Why thank you! The numbers are from a swedish gaming community.
And I must say you have quite the amusing avatar yourself.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I'd like games to be like movies: Where if it's rated R or Adult, it can have mature themes and depictions across the board, like nudity and things like that. Movies have them all the time, and I think video games should have that same freedom of expression.

I totally agree, that is in fact the thought that made me post this thread to begin with.

 

[roelani]

I'm getting the vibe here that when people say "nudity", mostly what is meant is female nudity. I have no gripes about seeing the occasional side boob here and there, or, God-Goddess-Deity-of-choice-Forbid, some unwarranted pussy or arse, but why is mostly everyone assuming nudity only includes females?

I think any reasonable young adult or mature child can deal with a lot more shit than we give them credit for, just as long as you, as a parent, are nearby to answer any questions about it later on.

Go on, call me a hippy, I dare ya

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I'm getting the vibe here that when people say "nudity", mostly what is meant is female nudity. I have no gripes about seeing the occasional side boob here and there, or, God-Goddess-Deity-of-choice-Forbid, some unwarranted pussy or arse, but why is mostly everyone assuming nudity only includes females?

I think any reasonable young adult or mature child can deal with a lot more shit than we give them credit for, just as long as you, as a parent, are nearby to answer any questions about it later on.

Go on, call me a hippy, I dare ya

I quite agree, I pointed out the fact that this isn't automaticly female nudity a few pages back.

 

[shadyh8er]

The way I see it, it all goes back to the people at the ESRB. As far as we know, the developers want to put meaningful sex and nudity in games (like in Heavy Rain or Mass Effect), the people at the ratings bureau just won't have it and threaten to slap an AO rating on it, thus killing the game's chance at selling.

 

[Macgyvercas]

I'd like games to be like movies: Where if it's rated R or Adult, it can have mature themes and depictions across the board, like nudity and things like that. Movies have them all the time, and I think video games should have that same freedom of expression.

This for the fucking win!

I hope the Supreme Court case decides in our favour. Maybe this will come true then, what with lawmakers unable to easily target games anymore (assuming we win, of course).

 

[roelani]

I'd like to know, just to flame up this little thread, what the difference for all of you guys is between fake 3D video game boobs and the extremely provocative imagery that is being fed to us daily by any number of big billboard/advertising/media companies. (Slutty girls slurping up chocolate like it's their favorite dickshaped treat? Nearly invisible clothing on dick-wrenchingly gorgeous models that stare with smoldering eyes at the camera? Really, media? You're telling me about a hundred polygons' worth of 3D boobs is TABOO?!)

As it happens, it seems nudity is really only unacceptable just as long as it doesn't directly profit the company that is creating/using it.

... I think my soul has just died a little. -_-

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I'd like to know, just to flame up this little thread, what the difference for all of you guys is between fake 3D video game boobs and the extremely provocative imagery that is being fed to us daily by any number of big billboard/advertising/media companies. (Slutty girls slurping up chocolate like it's their favorite dickshaped treat? Nearly invisible clothing on dick-wrenchingly gorgeous models that stare with smoldering eyes at the camera? Really, media? You're telling me about a hundred poloygons' worth of 3D boobs is TABOO?!)

As it happens, it seems nudity is really only unacceptable just as long as it doesn't directly profit the company that is creating/using it.

... I think my soul has just died a little. -_-

That is because video games right now is everyones favorite punchbag. I really wish that the world would be rid of the irrational soccer moms that goes and buy GTA for their 10 year old kid, and then tries to blame on the game, because they are to goddamn stupid to understand what "rated M for mature" means. And the entire Fox News might go and blow it self up, doing the world a favor.

No I'm not bitter, not at all.

 

[Dfskelleton]

Because Nudity means sex, and sex is a kind of awkward topic in games. Violence is pretty standard, as you're usually killing bad guys: Aliens, Nazis, Zombies, Demons, Terrorists, Robot alien zombies, psychological dissillusions created from the depths of your soul to torment you, etc. However, sex is different. You know how it's controversial, and I'm sure most developers really don't want the Adult Only rating that usually comes with games that features graphic sexual content. I usually don't like sex in games unless it's important to the story, and even if it's for the story, I don't like it being very long or graphic.

 

[Lukeman1884]

I'd like to know, just to flame up this little thread, what the difference for all of you guys is between fake 3D video game boobs and the extremely provocative imagery that is being fed to us daily by any number of big billboard/advertising/media companies. (Slutty girls slurping up chocolate like it's their favorite dickshaped treat? Nearly invisible clothing on dick-wrenchingly gorgeous models that stare with smoldering eyes at the camera? Really, media? You're telling me about a hundred polygons' worth of 3D boobs is TABOO?!)

As it happens, it seems nudity is really only unacceptable just as long as it doesn't directly profit the company that is creating/using it.

... I think my soul has just died a little. -_-

It's because when people think video games, they think children. And so, if you include nudity in a game, people think you're trying to expose children to nudity, even though >70% of people who play games are probably old enough to not be counted as "children" anymore. Whereas in advertising/media, they can get away with it because they aren't directly targeting children. Ridiculous, but it happens.

 

[Admiral Stukov]

I'd like games to be like movies: Where if it's rated R or Adult, it can have mature themes and depictions across the board, like nudity and things like that. Movies have them all the time, and I think video games should have that same freedom of expression.

This for the fucking win!

I hope the Supreme Court case decides in our favour. Maybe this will come true then, what with lawmakers unable to easily target games anymore (assuming we win, of course).

Pray we win, for if we lose, the One Ring will fall into the hands of the US Government. ;O

That would be pretty bad.
I'm however feeling ever so slightly optimistic about games some day not to far away will be judged equally to any other medium.

 

[PrimaVita]

Our society in America grew out of battle, and thus it became accepted. But movements on the other end were condemned by the group think that pervaded at the time. Religions helped this mostly, where bloodshed is part of culture, but nudity and sex is not. Because in this as in most other countries, what makes a game instantly a higher rating is what is still considered taboo.

 

[Free Thinker]

People who claim it's wrong, are in fact wrong. If you're gonna complain about it, QUIT BUYING THE GAMES FOR YOUR BASTARD CHILD!
/end rant
Like most above, society and taboos play a big part.

 

[Macgyvercas]

I'd like games to be like movies: Where if it's rated R or Adult, it can have mature themes and depictions across the board, like nudity and things like that. Movies have them all the time, and I think video games should have that same freedom of expression.

This for the fucking win!

I hope the Supreme Court case decides in our favour. Maybe this will come true then, what with lawmakers unable to easily target games anymore (assuming we win, of course).

Pray we win, for if we lose, the One Ring will fall into the hands of the US Government. ;O

Ahh, yes. One ring to rule them all. And as we all know, the government is Sauron.

Where the devil is Mithrandir when you need him? He could sort this out. Obviously, having King Elessar would help too.

Okay, I really need to get out more XD

 

[Negatempest]

If done right nudity can and most likely will become natural soon enough. Considering that most of our media have been thriving because nudity is the base for media. Painting were made of nude women and men. Sexual Intercourse had been photographed thousands of times. Amateur love making is video taped constantly. And now games have a turn as well. Hopefully it will leave stupid sexuality behind (Hot Coffee) and bring in more mature and passionate relationships (Watchmen).

 

[tthor]

i guess porn desensitizes people more than violence.