Obama's Eligibility
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How would the rest be made useless? You'd still be allowed to own your guns. You'd still be free to assemble and voice your concerns to your elected representatives. You'd still be able to acquire and sell property. I don't see how the dismissal of a minor and frankly irrelevant restriction invalidates all other aspects. Please don't slippery-slope on this one - a reasonable individual can determine what is relevant and what is not, what is minor and what is major and, despite even my saying contrary frequently, most folks are fairly reasonable.Najos said:
That's also the part I haven't been able to figure out...until tonight!BlueMage said:
If you ever read any of the extreme right paranoia, they inevitably mention the Nazis.
SO, I think what they're afraid of is that by setting a precedent for a non-us born citizen to hold the presidency, that sets the stage for Arnold Schwarzenegger to become president. And Ahnuld is Austrian, JUST LIKE HITLER!
Come to think of it, I haven't heard what Dave Emory has to say about the election. I'm sure it's bound to be interesting.
It's funny that Republicans bring up this angle of attack on Obama, because as he was born in an actual US state (Hawaii), rather than an overseas territory (Panama Canal Zone), he actually has a stronger claim to being a natural born US Citizen than John McCain. (Zonians were not officially ruled as citizens for the purposes of the constitution until 1953, which means that John McCain was not born a US Citizen)
Does anyone here seriously think that no one checked this before he was nominated? I mean, sometimes politics ends up doing something dumb but to forget to check a birth certificate passes "dumb" territory and goes on into "drooling moron"'s neighbourhood.
I think those launching this suit are from the same cloth as other conspiracy theorists.
-- Steve
I think those launching this suit are from the same cloth as other conspiracy theorists.
-- Steve
Agreed.hypothetical fact said:
This appears to now be part of the USA election cycle. I am a UKer, and thus get an outside look, but am I wrong in thinking that each time an election is fought in the USA now some people try to take legal action in an attempt to prevent the winner from taking office? Has Americas tendancy to litigate over each and every thing now spread so deep that it has even taking root in the most fundamental aspects of United States culture and society?
Am I going to get sued for this post?
I found the argument that he was a secret white-hating-communist-terrorist who supported the Holocaust and no one knew far more compelling. Its a shame that still isn't being carried on.Anton P. Nym said:
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Question 4: Class
Question 5: Alignment
Question 6: Backstory
Here's the crazy thing. Let's ignore for a moment that we have a publicaly avaible and shown Hawaii birth certificate.
Obama's mother is a United States Citizen. Even if he *had* been born abroad, he *also* would be a USC, so long as the registered the birth with an American consulate...
Honestly, the 'he's not a citizen' thing fails double hard because of this, for the simple reason I have yet to see anybody claim he's lying about who his mother is, and therefore it seems they don't know, or forget, that people born to USC's abroad are also natural born citizens..
Obama's mother is a United States Citizen. Even if he *had* been born abroad, he *also* would be a USC, so long as the registered the birth with an American consulate...
Honestly, the 'he's not a citizen' thing fails double hard because of this, for the simple reason I have yet to see anybody claim he's lying about who his mother is, and therefore it seems they don't know, or forget, that people born to USC's abroad are also natural born citizens..
This is even worse than the 'Obama is a muslim.....DUHHHHH' conspiracy theories. I say we dig up J. Edgar Hoover, do some voodoo and set him to work at finding all the real dirt on Barrak Obama. Wonder how long it'll take him before he starts screwing around? My wager is somewhere between 6 months and a year.
And I would have voted for him, if I lived in America. However, I don't.
And I would have voted for him, if I lived in America. However, I don't.
You need to be a citizen to ASSUME office. There's no ban on seeking the office. If Schwarzenegger wanted to run, he could. He just couldn't be inaugurated if he won, and the House of Representatives would have to elect the president, because noone eligible got a majority.crimsondynamics said:
I'm pretty sure it goes by chain of command so either it would be Biden *shudder* like Syndef said, or if he's not eligible because the campaign should never have happened, I believe it goes to Speaker of the House Pelosi *screams*.Najos said:
It would go to the House of Representatives to decide. Meaning either Clinton or Biden. Or McCain if the Dems split the vote.crimson5pheonix said:
hehe. Well actually that's assuming the Supreme Court doesn't decide to get their hands all over it with their "interpretation" of the Constitution to put someone in that will run the country into the ground, which they've shown that they're all too eager to in 2000.crimson5pheonix said:
"Yes we know the constitution says that if no viable candidate wins a majority, then the House will decide, but due to our God-like ability to make laws from thin air, we're instating Sarah Palin as President of the United States, with Ted Stevens as the Vice President."
I'm quite happy if the presidential selection form was like this
Question 1, is your surname Bush?
that's it, if they answer no, they're allowed to run for president.
The idea that Obama has got this far without anyone asking if he's a US citizen, is plainly ridiculous to me. If by some chance it was true tho, I imagine a lot of people are getting fired!
To my mind tho, the Democrat candidate won, so they just stick someone else in his space. Wouldn't bother me at all, isn't an election REALLY supposed to be about the policies of the party running, and not whether you like a candidate's name, hair, teeth, age, type of genitals or skin colour?
Question 1, is your surname Bush?
that's it, if they answer no, they're allowed to run for president.
The idea that Obama has got this far without anyone asking if he's a US citizen, is plainly ridiculous to me. If by some chance it was true tho, I imagine a lot of people are getting fired!
To my mind tho, the Democrat candidate won, so they just stick someone else in his space. Wouldn't bother me at all, isn't an election REALLY supposed to be about the policies of the party running, and not whether you like a candidate's name, hair, teeth, age, type of genitals or skin colour?