Objectification? Sexualization? What do the ladies think?

[JellySlimerMan]

I have no idea. I am not a woman.

But if you want my opinion, the last place you would want to ask this question is the Escapist as it mostly consists of men and they will only tend to provide links to women they specifically agree with and fall neatly within their usually awful worldview.

I think of my sister who loves video games she pretty much avoids games that foster that 'boys club' mentality. And from my perspective that is just completely unfair to her because there exists tons of games that otherwise would be 'great' if they didn't do the whole cheesecake/boys club objectify song and dance.

Also to the peeps talking about Feminism, please keep in mind that Feminism is a very large school of thought and that when a Feminist speaks of objectification or some other thing they mean something with much more nuance and complexity than just dictionary definitions. Feminism itself stands alone much like any other various fields of thought. I hate seeing people keep defining feminism based on a few feminists, that is completely disingenuous, there is much discussion among feminists and disagreements but are typically respectful as they are meant to build upon an already established bundle of ideas. Hence, if you do not know anything of feminism, its best not to speak of it as you will appear foolish.

As yes, more "complex" definitions. Which i am SURE u can provide a link to, right? at least some of the Feminists CAN explain their own actions, right? they are not making definitions out of their asses to pretend they know what they are talking about, right?

And even if u give a link to a definition, what are the chances of being a minority of feminists? Even if you can link to a book, if reality doesn't match up to the standards of the very book the Feminists are quoting too, then its completely useless.

I will stick to the facts that she provides, thank you very much:

I hate seeing people keep defining feminism based on a few feminists, that is completely disingenuous.

Wanna bet?

Those Feminists are recognized as the "mainstream" ones, not the "radical" ones. So can you illuminate me on what happened there?

 

[JellySlimerMan]

guh... at this point titillation is really just the easy way to make money, gender aside, its just there to make it all 'look' pretty so you'll buy it and they don't care after they have your money...

You know, when when not only Indie games but FREEWARE has better plots and gameplay than your AAA products, then you should probably rethink your profession.

Case in point: a Freeware that its a combination of "System Shock" and "Deus Ex" in gameplay, with graphics of "Another World" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/AnotherWorld), and a plot that deconstructs the "lone warrior against all odds" with healthy doses of PTSD on a girl forced to survive in a dead world. That game is IJI.
http://www.remar.se/daniel/games.php

HELLO~ i'll DEFINITELY have to look into this but yep, i've been getting this 'depressing' feeling from AAA games, they just don't live up to more then a cash-cow from what i've seen, or played... two things that greatly disappointed me lately? Dishonored and Injustice, i'd throw in Defiance but i didn't get that for 'plot' or 'characters', i got it to strictly blow up hellbugs XD

i should look more into Indie games...

You know what is funny? is was made by a gamer guy on its spare time. One would think that, a filthy sick mass murdering gamer (as we are told) would jump to the opportunity to make his "ideal" female in the most sexual objectivistic way ever, since there is NOTHING stopping him from doing so, right? i mean, its a fucking gamer, the lowest of humanity, the posterboy for "entitlement", and MovieBob watchers. It is an absolute fact of life (like death, taxes, and game journalists being 100% objective all the time) that these mindless drones will jump to the opportunity to fulfill their darkest desires, for they are entitled and smell alot, right?

And yet....

Spoiler

..the gamer ended up making the most likeable character ever with a fine Deus Ex type of gameplay. I guess that for being "entitled" we DO know our shit about writing and making games. The artists don't want to admit that an audience with class and intellect exist....AND are better than them.