Oh sweet baby Jesus no, burn AI to the ground, humanity can't be trusted with it

[CriticalGaming]

That is not the case.

AI is good for very small standalone tasks. It is horrible for huge software projects where it doesn't know the context, people have a hard time seeing all the implications of a bit of code and training data is an issue. You won't get from 7 to 3 years via AI, at least not in the next decade. You might get from 7 to 6 years and tripple the bugs, tripple the code size and half the perdormance.

There is more utility for indie studios and AI.

Well I'm referring to stand alone tasks. Things like having the AI make a Boulder asset, or buildings. Small individual elements that artists can then clean up and place in the world, which would be far less work than creation of elements from scratch. I dont really know the limits or actual use cases but likely none of us really know. Just like we don't know what tools are already in use at dev studios because a lot of that shit is NDA'ed.

 

[Satinavian]

Developers already have huge asset libraries, they don't handcraft everything anew. Using AI does not doesn't make much of an impact.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Agema]

AI datacenters are a completely different thing, and they have nothing to do with running AI tools locally in studio to help work on projects. Data centers are dumb and I don't know what the point is. They exist on a completely different scale than local AI tools.

What AI tools?

If you are using AI tools derived from LLMs then datacentres are very much relevant, in the same way iron mines and oil wells are relevant to you driving your car.

 

[Agema]

AI should be used for stuff like this:

Well, maybe.

There's obviously a rationale for dumping grunt work - graphical assets like rocks, trees, etc. or routine conversations with minor NPCs - onto AI, and other simplistic tasks. AIs might also be able to build simple quest loops. This potentially frees up people to do more creative stuff, and could be a boon to gaming.

Assuming AI is less creative than humans, it can work out less positively. Games as derivative as ever, because the efficiency gain is just used to reduce staffing, so there's no conversion of worker time to creativity. A final possibility is that creative decisions will also increasingly be handed to AI as well, and so games become even more derivative. But I guess at least in these scenarios games should be cheaper (in theory).

I think in practice we'll see a bit of everything, but the average will get worse. Some studios will put a premium on creativity (because I strongly believe there is a market for it), but it will come with associated cost. Some will be relatively derivative but still aim at high quality. However, I expect the main impact be will be a large expansion in mediocre to poor slop, because it heavily reduces the barriers to incompetents, chancers, scammers and the like churning out dross.

 

[BrawlMan]

This potentially frees up people to do more creative stuff, and could be a boon to gaming.

Not by much, and that's just willful assumptions.

However, I expect the main impact be will be a large expansion in mediocre to poor slop, because it heavily reduces the barriers to incompetents, chancers, scammers and the like churning out dross

Which most actual people don't want, and they'll refuse to buy.

Well, maybe.

It's not a maybe when it's actually been proven to work, but the stupid investors and CEOs believe in a mechanical god and fucking magic.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[CriticalGaming]

What AI tools?

If you are using AI tools derived from LLMs then datacentres are very much relevant, in the same way iron mines and oil wells are relevant to you driving your car.

If you develop an Ai model, say for art or asset generation, you can run that entirely local on your machine. It pulls nothing from outside AI data servers or centers and you can create an in-house AI tool that runs only on your hardware exclusively.

You can even do this yourself at home using programs like Comfy, or Forge, and download AI models onto your system. These tools can create videos and images using your own GPU and nothing else.

 

[BrawlMan]

Punk ass bitches with a punk ass biatch standard youtube 'apology'. Doing a lot of backtracking right now. Y'all shouldn't have done it in the first place. Fuck you, and I will gladly never touch any of your stuff ever again. I know some of them actually don't like AIO, but it's not enough, and the people in charge are the ones I distrust the most.

 

[Agema]

You can even do this yourself at home using programs like Comfy, or Forge, and download AI models onto your system. These tools can create videos and images using your own GPU and nothing else.

Sure. But what resources went into what you downloaded? That you took a product and now run it as a customisable standalone in your office doesn't nullify the time and effort put into producing the product. Like I said, you can drive around in a car, but you can't pretend it's got nothing to do with iron mines: that iron got dug out that mine because you wanted a car.

Presumably you will at points need to update your AI. Every time you do, you should (theoretically) pay something for the production cost of the updated version - which likely includes a ton of datacentre training and inference.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Presumably you will at points need to update your AI. Every time you do, you should (theoretically) pay something for the production cost of the updated version - which likely includes a ton of datacentre training and inference.

That's not what AI data centers are. Models come off a server as well as the programs and it's the same concept as downloading software off steam.

Datacenters are systems chained together to support things like Grok, Chatgpt, and the like. It's not like an AI datacenter is sitting there training shit for people to pull later.

Civitai for example is just a hosting website for images, videos and models that people make. You can train models at home using the same tools I said and then you can share your trained model (which is just a data file ultimately) online the same way you'd share a Mod you made on Nexusmods or whatever.

It's not as Datacenter driven as people think, though there are datacenters. But AI isn't skynet sitting on a server somewhere and feeding into all AI systems on the planet.

Dev studios can do more than us normal people at home because they have access to commercial grade GPUS which most regular people can't use.

 

[BrawlMan]

A majority of this shit is impractical a waste of resources, CriticalGaming. You just don't wanna admit it and fell into the grift. A majority of it isn't worth it nor can ever replace art and creation made by genuine human hands. The backlash has already begun, and it's more than just the internet being frustrated. Even UK with live television is condemning all this.

 

[Phoenixmgs]

A majority of this shit is impractical a waste of resources, CriticalGaming. You just don't wanna admit it and fell into the grift. A majority of it isn't worth it nor can ever replace art and creation made by genuine human hands. The backlash has already begun, and it's more than just the internet being frustrated. Even UK with live television is condemning all this.

A company using an AI tool to make assets from their already human made assets is an impractical waste of resources? One of the main ethical issues with AI is that it is essentially stealing art, but you can't steal art that is already your art.

 

[BrawlMan]

So on, to people with actual brains, sense, and don't bow to AI bitches in boxstands. Max, Simmons, and Andrew.

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[Phoenixmgs]

So on, to people with actual brains, sense, and don't bow to AI bitches in boxstands. Max, Simmons, and Andrew.

I probably use AI even less than you, I have it disabled on Google for example.

 

[BrawlMan]

I have Google AI disabled as well. So what? That don't make you special and you still fall for other grifters and suck up to biatch president who don't give a fuck about your ass. Good or you.

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[Phoenixmgs]

I have Google AI disabled as well. So what? That don't make you special and you still fall for other grifters and suck up to biatch president who don't give a fuck about your ass. Good or you.

What grifter am I sucking up to by saying that people can do what they want with their own stuff? You post Legal Eagle videos and he literally grifted his community/audience.

 

[BrawlMan]

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[Agema]

That's not what AI data centers are. Models come off a server as well as the programs and it's the same concept as downloading software off steam.

Datacenters are systems chained together to support things like Grok, Chatgpt, and the like. It's not like an AI datacenter is sitting there training shit for people to pull later.

Right, but that's why I asked you what your AI tool was in #704, which you didn't clearly answer. I'm aware there are lots of different forms of AI tools, and that AI precedes LLMs by many years. I'm asking you whether you are using an AI based off an LLM. I'm gathering no.

If you are not using an LLM-based AI, then sure it's not much to do with data centres, but it's not really what this thread is about, either.

 

[CriticalGaming]

Right, but that's why I asked you what your AI tool was in #704, which you didn't clearly answer. I'm aware there are lots of different forms of AI tools, and that AI precedes LLMs by many years. I'm asking you whether you are using an AI based off an LLM. I'm gathering no.

If you are not using an LLM-based AI, then sure it's not much to do with data centres, but it's not really what this thread is about, either.

Oh I use Forge-Neo. It's a local python script that runs models on my GPU for image and video creation. Though I don't have a GPU strong enough to make videos worth a shit.