Oh sweet baby Jesus no, burn AI to the ground, humanity can't be trusted with it

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On a more humorous note: The #1 country song in the US was generated by AI.


I lost my truck, I lost my wife, I lost my dog is an informal term for a member of the canidae species first scientifically named by Auntie Anne's Pretzels in 1927.
 
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I guess this kind of fits here: Musk says that we could have a crime-free future... if we all let an Optimus robot follow us around and prevent us from committing crimes.


They could prevent us from committing crimes like attending anti-Trump protests, or voting for Democrats.
I could see them preventing arson, if they randomly catch fire by themselves they could beat the person they were following to it.
 

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... sigh. Hate.
The tech industry is leaning on the EU very hard, and the tech industry is also leaning very hard on the US government which is also leaning very hard on the EU.

Were the EU doing better, it might be a little more assertive. But the EU is stuck as a mass of stagnant economies with the far right about to sweep everyone else away in a tidal wave of anti-immigration, misogyny and authoritarianism. The major EU players are desperate to fend the far right off, which means not picking a fight with major economies that can tip the scales the tiny amount needed to finish off the tired and near-discredited remnants of the old mainstream right and left.
 

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If not bubble, why bubble shaped? In a sane world, all involved in this boondoggle would spend the rest of their miserable lives on the streets in absolute abject poverty, or worse. But we don't, so when this shit pops, everyone else will pay the price.
 

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If not bubble, why bubble shaped? In a sane world, all involved in this boondoggle would spend the rest of their miserable lives on the streets in absolute abject poverty, or worse. But we don't, so when this shit pops, everyone else will pay the price.
The stock markets increasingly seem to think AI is a bubble. The markets had been sliding for a while. nVidia's recent good performance gave some confidence, but that seems to have lasted about a day and now they're dropping again.

And you're right, this is going to hurt a lot of people. Mostly in the USA, and the USA generally.

If AI turns out to be a bit of a bust, that's one hell of a lot of opportunity cost. Think how much all those billions could have been invested in instead.
 

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Google has told its employees that it must double its serving capacity every six months, and needs to have increased it by a thousand times in five years.


Here's hoping that the AI bubble is well and truly popped long before then.
 

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Wall Street algorithms detected irregularities in Nvidia's earnings report faster than any human could have finished reading it.


This might corroborate the likes of Peter Thiel and Michael Burry pulling out. Could this constitute accounting fraud? The writer makes comparisons to the likes of Enron and Lucent Technologies, and mentions that the SEC has been sending out comment letters to several cloud infrastructure companies (which doesn't equal an investigation, but could be a prelude to one).

The broader AI industry faces a $3.1 trillion question: can artificial intelligence applications generate sufficient economic value to justify current infrastructure investment? The answer will determine whether the current correction represents temporary volatility or the beginning of a fundamental revaluation.
Don't be surprised if we all end up hearing a giant "pop" soon.
 
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This might corroborate the likes of Peter Thiel and Michael Burry pulling out. Could this constitute accounting fraud? The writer makes comparisons to the likes of Enron and Lucent Technologies, and mentions that the SEC has been sending out comment letters to several cloud infrastructure companies (which doesn't equal an investigation, but could be a prelude to one).
From the sources I've read, there's suspicion it could be fraud, but no-one has said it obviously is, and I suspect a company as seemingly stable and successful like nVidia would do something illegal in such plain sight.

However, irrespective of whether illegal, sources have pointed out that it's extremely poor business practice. It's the sort of thing that can collapse and cause a lot a damage.

The big 6 tech firms alone are around a quarter of the entire US stock market. If they have a major and sudden "correction" (plus of course the smaller ones), the losses will be astronomical. Potentially, recession-inducing.
 

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And we'll know that absolutely nobody learned anything from the whole sub-prime loan scandal.
I'd hope it won't be that bad. That was catastrophic because so much debt was hidden so banks ended up not just with much heavier losses than they imagined, but also not knowing how bad their losses might be. Surely here everyone knows where their money is and how much there is.

o it'll be a pretty regular stock market crash, rather than risking a hammerblow to the whole system. And also, if enough people see it coming (it seems to be telegraphed, even by the tech industry itself), it might mean there can be a sort of "orderly climbdown" rather than a crash. But then we get this:

Google has told its employees that it must double its serving capacity every six months, and needs to have increased it by a thousand times in five years.
Without some major new technology, this is surely impossible.

Isn't this what many critics are saying? The world literally cannot build the capacity that the AI industry wants as fast as it wants. The capital doesn't exist to pay for it, the energy doesn't exist to power it, the water doesn't exist to cool it, etc. This Google guy thus appears to be saying "We'll use magic" (with an 'any sufficiently advanced technology' sense involved).

Of course different people and parts of the tech industry might be on very different pages. One Google exec might move into caution mode whilst another is still promising the moon. Although ultimately all these companies still want investors to throw money at them, so they're hardly going to go all in on caution: try to hype getting the moon whilst on the side saying moon is impossible, so they can cover their backsides if anything blows up.
 

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I'm also struck by how shit so many adverts getting us to use AI are.

There was a famously awful one Samsung did about some guy who screwed up a pretty basic recipe and his AI told him to turn them in to cookies. There's a Microsoft one about some faintly smug woman watching a translation of Chinese colleagues talking about something, which is okay except that it's acting like translation software hadn't existed long, long before Copilot. And Google seems to be telling me I want to make fruit-animal hybrids, like watermelon elephants, with Gemini. But why the fuck would I want to do that?

If AI is having that much trouble selling something I really want to do with it, isn't that a massive, massive problem for AI?
 

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I'm also struck by how shit so many adverts getting us to use AI are.

There was a famously awful one Samsung did about some guy who screwed up a pretty basic recipe and his AI told him to turn them in to cookies. There's a Microsoft one about some faintly smug woman watching a translation of Chinese colleagues talking about something, which is okay except that it's acting like translation software hadn't existed long, long before Copilot. And Google seems to be telling me I want to make fruit-animal hybrids, like watermelon elephants, with Gemini. But why the fuck would I want to do that?

If AI is having that much trouble selling something I really want to do with it, isn't that a massive, massive problem for AI?
Businesses are still adopting it, though, so it's being sold to them at least, if not private individuals. But yeah, solution in search of a problem. (Which, ok, might be more accurate to say problem again instead of solution, but that's not the cliche)
 

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