On the PSN Relaunch Announcement
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Shamus is right, as he usually is. Though I'll take exception for entire experienced points article being lifted directly from a post at Twenty Sided. Still, given how much Shamus does in a week, I think we can let it slide.
And yeah, PSN is handling the clean-up of this really well. Have they learned their lesson though? Only time will tell. Sometimes people forget that the reason Sony is in this market, the reason they had room to grow is because around the mid to late 90's, Nintendo's official business plan was "We Are Lord Nintendo and F**k You!" That gave Sony their first real opportunity to nest and grow.
To Nintendo's credit, they DID learn a very real lesson which is apparently that you can't be arrogant AND stagnate, just one or the other. I don't know if they're any less arrogant than they were (going to hard into the casual market left some fans in the cold) but they at least strive to earn the right by always being the craziest, biggest gamblers in the market.
Sony, on the other hand, will never innovate in that manner. So their options are find new places to innovate, or to grow some actual humility.. For instance, they've always been great at dealing with third party developers. Perhaps finding new synergies there could set them apart, I dunno, I'm not an analyst. Or hey, Blu-Ray is an interesting proprietary, howabout actually doing something crazy with all that space?
Or they could just start treating their customers like people instead of dollar amounts, but that's crazy talk.
And yeah, PSN is handling the clean-up of this really well. Have they learned their lesson though? Only time will tell. Sometimes people forget that the reason Sony is in this market, the reason they had room to grow is because around the mid to late 90's, Nintendo's official business plan was "We Are Lord Nintendo and F**k You!" That gave Sony their first real opportunity to nest and grow.
To Nintendo's credit, they DID learn a very real lesson which is apparently that you can't be arrogant AND stagnate, just one or the other. I don't know if they're any less arrogant than they were (going to hard into the casual market left some fans in the cold) but they at least strive to earn the right by always being the craziest, biggest gamblers in the market.
Sony, on the other hand, will never innovate in that manner. So their options are find new places to innovate, or to grow some actual humility.. For instance, they've always been great at dealing with third party developers. Perhaps finding new synergies there could set them apart, I dunno, I'm not an analyst. Or hey, Blu-Ray is an interesting proprietary, howabout actually doing something crazy with all that space?
Or they could just start treating their customers like people instead of dollar amounts, but that's crazy talk.
Granted, I don't own a PS3 and don't think I ever will, but isn't PSN something they have to -pay- for? If so, it's a service that they -literally- are entitled to, so they have right to behave accordingly. The same would apply if their cable went out for two weeks, that's a service they paid for and they have a right to demand quality.Scrustle said:
Of course, this argument is nulled if the PSN is a free service, I'm too lazy to check.
So yeah. The PSN has been free since the PS3 was out.Pandabearparade said:
...not much more to say. I usually research stuff before I start posting on topics though. I mean, it's just one google search to learn if it was free.
OT: Sony handled this thing great on the PR side, you kidding me? I love 'em more than ever now.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20064573-92.htmlJDKJ said:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704904604576334950941283250.html?mod=WSJ_Tech_LEFTTopNews
http://www.ibtimes.com/topics/detail/617/sony/
http://www.technewsworld.com/story/72478.html
http://www.dailytech.com/Japan+Refuses+to+Approve+Sonys+PSN+Reboot+Demands+Proof+of+Security/article21638.htm
http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/business/amazon-cloud-linked-to-sonys-recent-global-security-breach-56385.html
http://www.infosecurity-us.com/view/18004/sony-restarts-online-gaming-services-with-added-security-measures/
http://www.infosecurity-us.com/view/18077/sony-reset-suffers-setback-after-security-flaw-discovered
http://www.itworld.com/personal-tech/166455/another-sony-security-glitch-and-another-microsoft-hardware-issue
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703421204576331532503877412.html
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/sonys-uncomfortable-security-microscope-will-last-for-months/49108
http://www.cnet.com/8301-30976_1-20064864-10348864.html
http://sony.nyleveia.com/2011/05/17/warning-all-psn-users-your-accounts-are-still-not-safe/
http://www.f-secure.com/weblog/archives/00002160.html
http://newenterprise.allthingsd.com/20110517/sonys-howard-stringer-talks-about-the-playstation-hack-audio/
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703421204576328982377107892.html
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Sony-PlayStation-Network-Returns-to-Service-Security-Problems-Remain-653147/
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/20/technology-specialized-consumer-services-eu-germany-sony-playstation_8477191.html
http://www.securitynewsdaily.com/amazons-cloud-servers-possibly-used-sony-attack-0794/
Psn is free. There's some psn plus stuff I heard of that costs something, but I don't know.Pandabearparade said:
Anyway, I think that even if it's free and it's been taken away, you can always mutter something...
My point exactly. You don't see why they couldn't do this or do that because you have no idea what they did or didn't need. You have no idea what they did and didn't do. So stop acting like you know 100% that they could have done it as quickly with just one firm instead of three.sunami88 said:
I'm not seeing where any of those articles describe in detail what security measures Sony had or has in place. For example, you've linked an article which reports that Amazon's cloud server was employed in the attack. That's great to know, but it doesn't tell us a thing about what Sony's security measures were at the time it was attacked. It only tells us how the attacked was made.Baldr said:
The mere fact that Sony's network was successful attacked doesn't tell us a thing about how secure that network was. If being unable to successfully guard against any and all attacks was the standard, then no network is secure. Any and every network can be successfully attacked.
Thanks for posting this. It's nice to hear a reasoned, even-handed response. Ensuring that Sony takes responsibility for the attack isn't the same as assigning blame... and it isn't the same as hating Sony. They've handled this all pretty well, considering.Shamus Young said:
Just like no one has any real idea about the subject in which those firms specialize. One could specialize in forensics (i.e., determining how the attack occurred) and another could specialize in security (i.e., determining how to avoid future attacks to the extent possible). Why is anyone assuming that they all specialize in the same subject? To hear some people talk, you'd think they know more about what's going inside the bowels of Sony than does Howard Stringer.mjc0961 said:
Working for Sony, you know all their new security systems, and can comment with this kind of confidence.Baldr said:
Otherwise, this comment would be foolish.
Penny Arcade had a diffrent take on that...Stevepinto3 said:
OT: This didn't affect me, though I find it funny that the same people who were raging last week saying they were over with Sony are now back. Like an abusive husband...