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Timeline-wise the movie is mostly adequate. Beast is a bit iffy, but alright. What I don't understand is the need to bring Havok into all of this. He's not such a small part character like Angel Salvadore to be able not to piss anyone off for breaking basic mythos nor so big that they needed to shoehorn him in there. That's my main gripe. Alex and Scott summers should remain younger and older brother, accordingly (I'm ignoring the whole Gabriel Summers bit here),and not be even be born at this point so cyclops in X1 and X2 can be the age he is there.
I'm really hoping man in black is not Sinister. It could walk straight into the "too many villains" territory. That is unless it's just a cameo and perhaps a nod to possible future storylines, one that includes Gambit in some proper and awesome way. I just love Gambit (see avatar).
I'm really hoping man in black is not Sinister. It could walk straight into the "too many villains" territory. That is unless it's just a cameo and perhaps a nod to possible future storylines, one that includes Gambit in some proper and awesome way. I just love Gambit (see avatar).
Well, in The Cuban Missle Crisis, the Russians *were* horrible aggressors. They were trying to put WMD right on the borders of the US, a gun to our head so to speak. This is not to say we didn't try and do similar things during "The Cold War", but that's what this incident was. The situation with "First Class" seems to be connected to the implication that there was more going on than just the incident witht he munitions being stoppd, and the Russians didn't back down simply due to a combination of diplomacy and fear of immediatly starting WW-III. The idea has been fodder for popular spy and military fiction for a while, including things like how we found out where the missles were and what they had planned far enough ahead of time to stop them, etc...
This is also incidently why there is such bad blood with Cuba, when they went communist they were complicit in this scheme which could have brought down the US. It wasn't that long ago, and that's why a lot of people like me don't really into the whole "Cuba can be our friend" thing.
I'm a huge critic of Kennedy and left wing politics, but in this paticular case I think the bottom line was pretty straightforward, and it's good fodder for historical fiction.
Truthfully though I can't help but think that these guys should be cutting a big check to whomever holds the rights to "Wild Cards" right now. Those novels covered a lot of alternative history with super-heroes material, and arguably started the trend. I won't go off on a massive rant, but it did things like propose a "what if" scenario where we had Super Heroes going into Iran to rescue hostages for Jimmy Carter and messing it up, and things like that. I think that project deserves some credit, though I suspect a lot of people are going to disagree with me.
That said, we'll see what happens. It looks like an okay movie, but at the same time where I was once very tolerant of such things, I think movie-makers need to be made to back away from playing this fast and loose with beloved characters with a huge amount of back material and canon. I understand you can't condense decades of comic book development into a movie, but I think we're getting into territory here that's pretty bad, since it's going past making a few changes to get things to work, or using a popular character or villain with no respect for the timeline or how it fit with the story evolution.
I think it's a problem when you have movies that are so differant from the source material, that someone who wants to get into comics due to liking the movies, is going to sit down and have to deal with a massive "WTF" when they see how differant it is, to the point of being unrecognizable. I mean it's relatively minor when you change a character's origin stories a bit, but when you have the X-men involved in the 1960s this way? It's making me lose a lot of respect for Marvel actually, as it seems to be willing to risk trashing long-held, and much loved properties for a quick buck. On some levels I'd almost want to see them lose the rights to a lot of these characters to "Stan Lee Inc." even if Stan Lee isn't running it (or perhaps "especially because" Stan Lee isn't running it), but then again there is no guarantee they would be any better, and in the end it would probably just ruint he universe anyway by splitting up all the IPs.
This is also incidently why there is such bad blood with Cuba, when they went communist they were complicit in this scheme which could have brought down the US. It wasn't that long ago, and that's why a lot of people like me don't really into the whole "Cuba can be our friend" thing.
I'm a huge critic of Kennedy and left wing politics, but in this paticular case I think the bottom line was pretty straightforward, and it's good fodder for historical fiction.
Truthfully though I can't help but think that these guys should be cutting a big check to whomever holds the rights to "Wild Cards" right now. Those novels covered a lot of alternative history with super-heroes material, and arguably started the trend. I won't go off on a massive rant, but it did things like propose a "what if" scenario where we had Super Heroes going into Iran to rescue hostages for Jimmy Carter and messing it up, and things like that. I think that project deserves some credit, though I suspect a lot of people are going to disagree with me.
That said, we'll see what happens. It looks like an okay movie, but at the same time where I was once very tolerant of such things, I think movie-makers need to be made to back away from playing this fast and loose with beloved characters with a huge amount of back material and canon. I understand you can't condense decades of comic book development into a movie, but I think we're getting into territory here that's pretty bad, since it's going past making a few changes to get things to work, or using a popular character or villain with no respect for the timeline or how it fit with the story evolution.
I think it's a problem when you have movies that are so differant from the source material, that someone who wants to get into comics due to liking the movies, is going to sit down and have to deal with a massive "WTF" when they see how differant it is, to the point of being unrecognizable. I mean it's relatively minor when you change a character's origin stories a bit, but when you have the X-men involved in the 1960s this way? It's making me lose a lot of respect for Marvel actually, as it seems to be willing to risk trashing long-held, and much loved properties for a quick buck. On some levels I'd almost want to see them lose the rights to a lot of these characters to "Stan Lee Inc." even if Stan Lee isn't running it (or perhaps "especially because" Stan Lee isn't running it), but then again there is no guarantee they would be any better, and in the end it would probably just ruint he universe anyway by splitting up all the IPs.
snfonseka said:
Thank you for bringing this to my intention. I am actually cautiously excited for this one.
Still wish they didn't have the rights to it so marvel/disney/whatever could merge it into their Avengers movie universe.
Still wish they didn't have the rights to it so marvel/disney/whatever could merge it into their Avengers movie universe.
SO... Going through that wiki site Bob linked to for a couple hours, I can safely say that his recurring catchphrase "COMICS ARE WEIRD!" is a VAST understatement.
The Marvel universe is so twisted that they could pretty much make-up and do whatever they want.
The stuff on Apocalypse was interesting (on Marvel's site), I thought he was a superman villain (aka DC), but then again I know nothing of comics.
The Marvel universe is so twisted that they could pretty much make-up and do whatever they want.
The stuff on Apocalypse was interesting (on Marvel's site), I thought he was a superman villain (aka DC), but then again I know nothing of comics.
So what is a "mulligan"? I can't help but want this film to fail badly. Then hopefully the rights will eventually bounce back to Marvel/Disney and we can get some more movie crossovers.
Magneto using his powers? Beast having modified it with advanced hovertech?Raiyan 1.0 said:
If they won't revoke the rights to Spider Man from bono and his efforts to destroy everything good about it. Then X Men will never be revoked from fox for making some crappy movies with moderate enjoyment and a bigger profit margin.
That being said can't wait for first class because I really want to enjoy the X Men movies as much as Iron Man (and soon Captain America, Thor, and Green Lantern.) Wow being a nerd has never been more worth it than now.
That being said can't wait for first class because I really want to enjoy the X Men movies as much as Iron Man (and soon Captain America, Thor, and Green Lantern.) Wow being a nerd has never been more worth it than now.
I don't really know if this can be called the 'first mulligan.' What separates it from every other superhero reboot movie?
o god after reading this article im actually glad the X-men universe is owned by fox. its way too convoluted and expansive for me to keep track >.< just reading the many biographies on the characters listed made me a little sick XD
especially Mr. Sinister.
Yes please leave the X-men out of the Avengers please lol
especially Mr. Sinister.
Yes please leave the X-men out of the Avengers please lol
Well, it looks like it could be great, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Ah, the science of X-men... I have no idea how evolution works in their world.
Also diamonds shatter really easily. Not a good form to shift into unless you need to scratch, as opposed to hit, stuff.
Ah, the science of X-men... I have no idea how evolution works in their world.
Also diamonds shatter really easily. Not a good form to shift into unless you need to scratch, as opposed to hit, stuff.
I don't think this necessarily HAS to be a reboot...Although that might just be wishful thinking on my part, because I'm actually pretty excited to see some real, ongoing, open-ended continuity in the X-Men series. Problem is, it CANNOT last much longer, even if the new Wolverine and First Class movies can work with the four existing movies. After a few more years, the 15-35 year old male demographic Fox is gunning for will start getting filled out with people who haven't seen the first movies, which means they either need to discard X1-3 and reboot things from First Class or abandon the property entirely.
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This could end up being another flop, but it definitely seems worth watching!
This could end up being another flop, but it definitely seems worth watching!
The Cuban missile crisis is an interesting point in history. At least it can dovetail nicely with the Magneto missile thing in issue #1(as minor as that conflict was in the long run). I don't really know how to feel about this one. It seems like it could be cool. I have to view each movie as an adaptation on previously established material.Armitage Shanks said:
The Hellfire club would be interesting to see on film, but if they are trying to link these with the other 3 movies then HFC had nothing to do with Phoenix (which in the comics HFC took full advantage of that situation... at least Shaw did... tried to). If you all think that comics are a big convoluted mess then you underestimate how these films can become one. I just hope that the writers have thought this all the way through. Especially if they are planning first class sequels.