Only in America: And even the news thinks it's insane!

[Fret098]

Obama is not the only extreme liberal in this country.

wait, are you saying obama is an extreme liberal, or were you being ironic? I honestly can't tell.

Obama is part of the far left. But if you want to talk about extreme left, I present to you Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Oh lordy me, you're a tool, you know that right?

Calling a centrist like Obama a member of the "far left" shows how tenuous your grasp on reality really is. What is it with your subset of the American right? The right wing is just a political outlook, but you guys, you guys are just nuts

Heh, its fine to spend billions in public money on war, but not on healthcare. Don't that just sum people like you up.

He is far left because he is socialist. He wants total government control. Why the fuck is total control good? Why would anyone think that? The best kind of government is the kind that stays out of peoples affairs. The only thing its good for is providing a military. America lasted fine as a capitalist nation. The most competitive win. Thats how life is.

Obamacare is not the answer. One thing is that it is complete shit and more expensive than our current health care and it will take decades to pay off. Yeah nice job helping that economy.

The Wars did not cause the economic collapse, we were already headed there no matter what because nobody decided to act. Judge me all you want on this statement but even Bush warned us of this but nobody cared.

You can argue all you want about how he isn't a socialist but he IS. Me and the majority of Americans, you know the ones protesting these insane policies, are right.

You are entitled to your opinion man and i make no judgements. But before he was even elected, Obama told the American people of his plans to socialize healthcare and he won by a landslide. Now that he's going through with what he stated people are freaking out, if you say the majority of the American people are against this, then why did they vote for him in the first place? He's going through with one of his strongest arguments he made while campaigning, one of the very thing McCain's people attacked him on, so why are people freaking out that he's actually doing it?

Oh I agree, he said it all the time such as "I am going to transform America" but people just were swayed by the left after all the attacks they did on Bush, and demonizing the right and making people believe they don't care. People bought it without thinking "Is this good?" I also think McCain didn't do enough to win voters over. Now they are seeing the Obama Administrations true colors. Our health care system is not perfect but it works. 85% of the country is covered. We do not need socialized health care. What we need to do is to lift restrictions on our current health care that would allow coverage of more people without having the government totally control it. I can say I am happy with my coverage. I do not want to change.

o I get it now "health is a privilege not a right" makes perfect sense now...

life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, pay close attention to the first word.

 

[Fret098]

Obama is not the only extreme liberal in this country.

wait, are you saying obama is an extreme liberal, or were you being ironic? I honestly can't tell.

Obama is part of the far left. But if you want to talk about extreme left, I present to you Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Oh lordy me, you're a tool, you know that right?

Calling a centrist like Obama a member of the "far left" shows how tenuous your grasp on reality really is. What is it with your subset of the American right? The right wing is just a political outlook, but you guys, you guys are just nuts

Heh, its fine to spend billions in public money on war, but not on healthcare. Don't that just sum people like you up.

He is far left because he is socialist. He wants total government control. Why the fuck is total control good? Why would anyone think that? The best kind of government is the kind that stays out of peoples affairs. The only thing its good for is providing a military. America lasted fine as a capitalist nation. The most competitive win. Thats how life is.

Obamacare is not the answer. One thing is that it is complete shit and more expensive than our current health care and it will take decades to pay off. Yeah nice job helping that economy.

The Wars did not cause the economic collapse, we were already headed there no matter what because nobody decided to act. Judge me all you want on this statement but even Bush warned us of this but nobody cared.

You can argue all you want about how he isn't a socialist but he IS. Me and the majority of Americans, you know the ones protesting these insane policies, are right.

You are entitled to your opinion man and i make no judgements. But before he was even elected, Obama told the American people of his plans to socialize healthcare and he won by a landslide. Now that he's going through with what he stated people are freaking out, if you say the majority of the American people are against this, then why did they vote for him in the first place? He's going through with one of his strongest arguments he made while campaigning, one of the very thing McCain's people attacked him on, so why are people freaking out that he's actually doing it?

Oh I agree, he said it all the time such as "I am going to transform America" but people just were swayed by the left after all the attacks they did on Bush, and demonizing the right and making people believe they don't care. People bought it without thinking "Is this good?" I also think McCain didn't do enough to win voters over. Now they are seeing the Obama Administrations true colors. Our health care system is not perfect but it works. 85% of the country is covered. We do not need socialized health care. What we need to do is to lift restrictions on our current health care that would allow coverage of more people without having the government totally control it. I can say I am happy with my coverage. I do not want to change.

o I get it now "health is a privilege not a right" makes perfect sense now...

life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, pay close attention to the first word.

So 261 million people should change to a shit health care system just so everyone can be included? That's what makes no sense. The government should not be there to baby you, that is what makes a country weak. There are plenty of alternatives to improve our current health care system. Having the government control it is not one of them. I never said screw the rest. Maybe Obama and his administration should explore other options instead of trying to ram this down our throat.

Its an Option you dont have to take it if you dont want. But for the people who work two jobs and cant pay 300+ a month and are dieing from a certain illness and no health insurance will take them cause of "pre existing conditions" it gives them a chance to live you selfish pig.

 

[Amoreyna]

Also on a side note. Why are people against his health care program? He is just trying to provide better health care for those who can not afford insurance right? That seems like a pretty fucking noble thing to do and free healthcare is kind of a basic necessity in other civilised countries so what is the damn problem? I know I would be pissed off paying taxes if I did not get free or at least heavily subsidised healthcare.

It's really not all that noble. Most people have this romanticized ideal about government funded 'free' health insurance and fail to notice all the government funded health programs in existence right now providing free or near free health services that are just plan shit. So instead of fixing these programs and getting them to work right, provide actual quality services and allowing better access to those who need and qualify - we're just going to create a whole new system? And what, hope all that broken crap goes away?

Plus there is the cost. I have no idea where people really think the money's coming from but it comes from all the people who pay taxes. You wouldn't think it was such a neat idea when suddenly you're paying both high taxes and high health insurance premiums because you don't qualify for the government plan. Remember this plan is only targeted for those completely without, if you can afford health insurance or it can be provided to you through employment, regardless of how much of a struggle it is to pay for it, you will not qualify for Obama's health reform.

That's not even touching the problems of how to implement the plan. Usually there's a whole bunch of restrictions on these types of programs meaning that those who really need health insurance, such as parents working crazy hours in order to feed and cloth their children wouldn't qualify because they make to much. This happens all the time already with current government programs. It's a nice thought that 46 million people are going to be magically insured overnight but it isn't going to happen.

 

[wildpeaks]

Obama is Centre right, Centre at the most. The Left doesn't exist in American politics, just varying degrees of Right.

Obviously you have no idea how American politics work.

I certainly do, you just don't know what the left is.

+1

 

[Oolinthu]

The approval rating for the health care reform is below 50% so those that disapprove are the majority.

No, not necessarily. I haven't seen the most recent polls, but the people that disapprove would have to represent more than 50% for them to be the majority. You're ignoring people that either don't care or aren't sure. Regardless, I would argue that the high percentage of people who disapprove are due far more to the campaign of disinformation and fear-mongering waged by elements on the right and those with entrenched interests in the current system persisting (e.g. Rick Scott), than to Americans actually understanding the proposed reforms and disagreeing with them.

In fact, it's pretty clear most Americans don't actually understand the proposed reforms. I don't fully understand them, you clearly don't either.

Never in all of Bush's years did he or his administration come out and say you are "un-American" for protesting. In America it is your duty to question your government. To not do so is insane. We now have Obama saying not to listen to those "Mobs" and Pelosi the Speaker of the House labeling protests of their policies "Un-American." That pisses me off when my government tells me its not ok to exercise the 1st amendment.

Actually, Fox News, unsurprisingly, lied. Pelosi never called the protesters un-American, she called the protests "astroturf", i.e. inauthentic and only trying to appear to be grass-roots. She remarked that they were carrying swastikas and the like, and said that "{d}rowning out opposing views is simply un-American."

Yes I have friends in Iraq and Afghanistan and I write to them sometimes. They believe in their mission. I obviously don't want to see them killed but I believe what we are doing is right. Time will tell how right we were. You cant come out just because things look bad sometimes and label it a failure.

The Iraq War has been a failure in that it did nothing to combat terrorism - just the opposite in fact, and had nothing to do with 911 as was claimed. The reasons for going there were fallacious or falsified. We never should have been there.

This health care reform is not what is needed. It worse then the health care we have. The quality is shit, those that can be covered and how will ultimately be decided by bureaucrats. You can kiss private insurance goodbye because they won't be able to compete with govt run. It is socialism. Anything where the government has total control is considered socialism. We will all be forced to use this unless we want no coverage. In America I like to choose, not be forced.

The parts of this paragraph that amount to baseless rhetoric have been bolded. Really? The quality's shit? Where can I get this ability you have, to see into the future and determine the quality of a system that hasn't been implemented yet?

The parts of the paragraph that are demonstrably false have been italicized.

-Private insurance companies wouldn't be able to compete with the government-run system if it were subsidized. It isn't going to be.

-Socialism refers to government control of the means of production. The government having partial stake in the provision of a service doesn't mean we have socialized healthcare. Even if we had socialized healthcare, that wouldn't mean the country itself was socialist. You do realize that things like roads, police forces, and the military are all government run, and therefore "socialized", don't you?

 

[Fret098]

Obama is not the only extreme liberal in this country.

wait, are you saying obama is an extreme liberal, or were you being ironic? I honestly can't tell.

Obama is part of the far left. But if you want to talk about extreme left, I present to you Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid.

Oh lordy me, you're a tool, you know that right?

Calling a centrist like Obama a member of the "far left" shows how tenuous your grasp on reality really is. What is it with your subset of the American right? The right wing is just a political outlook, but you guys, you guys are just nuts

Heh, its fine to spend billions in public money on war, but not on healthcare. Don't that just sum people like you up.

He is far left because he is socialist. He wants total government control. Why the fuck is total control good? Why would anyone think that? The best kind of government is the kind that stays out of peoples affairs. The only thing its good for is providing a military. America lasted fine as a capitalist nation. The most competitive win. Thats how life is.

Obamacare is not the answer. One thing is that it is complete shit and more expensive than our current health care and it will take decades to pay off. Yeah nice job helping that economy.

The Wars did not cause the economic collapse, we were already headed there no matter what because nobody decided to act. Judge me all you want on this statement but even Bush warned us of this but nobody cared.

You can argue all you want about how he isn't a socialist but he IS. Me and the majority of Americans, you know the ones protesting these insane policies, are right.

You are entitled to your opinion man and i make no judgements. But before he was even elected, Obama told the American people of his plans to socialize healthcare and he won by a landslide. Now that he's going through with what he stated people are freaking out, if you say the majority of the American people are against this, then why did they vote for him in the first place? He's going through with one of his strongest arguments he made while campaigning, one of the very thing McCain's people attacked him on, so why are people freaking out that he's actually doing it?

Oh I agree, he said it all the time such as "I am going to transform America" but people just were swayed by the left after all the attacks they did on Bush, and demonizing the right and making people believe they don't care. People bought it without thinking "Is this good?" I also think McCain didn't do enough to win voters over. Now they are seeing the Obama Administrations true colors. Our health care system is not perfect but it works. 85% of the country is covered. We do not need socialized health care. What we need to do is to lift restrictions on our current health care that would allow coverage of more people without having the government totally control it. I can say I am happy with my coverage. I do not want to change.

o I get it now "health is a privilege not a right" makes perfect sense now...

life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, pay close attention to the first word.

So 261 million people should change to a shit health care system just so everyone can be included? That's what makes no sense. The government should not be there to baby you, that is what makes a country weak. There are plenty of alternatives to improve our current health care system. Having the government control it is not one of them. I never said screw the rest. Maybe Obama and his administration should explore other options instead of trying to ram this down our throat.

Its an Option you dont have to take it if you dont want. But for the people who work two jobs and cant pay 300+ a month and are dieing from a certain illness and no health insurance will take them cause of "pre existing conditions" gives them an chance to live you selfish pig.

No its going to be the ONLY option, like I said if you read what I wrote, govt run will put private insurance out of business. We'll all be forced to use a shit system that offers lackluster care. Do you honestly believe I would be against insuring the uninsured? I want everyone to have health care but like I said if you would have read, Government control is not the way. Calling me a selfish pig just discredits you.

So you're saying that our current healthcare is so bad that a public funded healthcare system will cause the privately owned healthcare to go out of bussiness? Well if thats the case they better up their game so they can compete eh? If they cant well it just works out better for the customer doesnt it.



"It worse then the health care we have. The quality is shit" heh nice So you know how things are going to turn out before they happen huh? please before opening your mouth check your bias at the door.

 

[TheAmazingTGIF]

The police, realistically, have very little to do with the protection of the President. It mainly comes down to the Secret Service (The SS, ironic no?). The police have the duty of clearing streets and barricading things, the Secret Service gives all of the orders.
But all-in-all it is very strange.

nice answer.

I have some experience with the cops and the Secret Service. >.> <.<

 

[Jedoro]

I'm sure there was a Secret Service sniper eying him the whole time.

 

[Redingold]

I extremely disagree with you about not allowing citizens to have firearms all together. How are we supposed to defend ourselves from the government?

Hold it right there. How are you supposed to defend yourself from the government anyway? One man could not hold off the attention of the USA, not with all the guns in the world!

 

[Worsle]

I extremely disagree with you about not allowing citizens to have firearms all together. How are we supposed to defend ourselves from the government?

Hold it right there. How are you supposed to defend yourself from the government anyway? One man could not hold off the attention of the USA, not with all the guns in the world!

Did you not read matnatz's posts? Guns defend you from the government doing unpopular things though being a mystical force.

 

[EchetusXe]

Pretty scary reading this thread.

Its worth bearing in mind that if Hitler himself was actually around today and in charge of Germany then all of these anti-Obama people would be praising the Fuhrer.

'This A-dolf guys right. Obama is a Bolshevik. Why can't we have a decent upstanding politician like him instead of this extremist?'


By the way. If in your country it is legal to stand waiting for someone you hate, with a lethal weapon in one hand and a sign basically saying 'sometimes you gotta kill to be kind' in the other THEN YOUR COUNTRY/STATE IS FUCKED UP.

 

[Akai Shizuku]

I'd say I'd agree with the intent of this post, that it's a pretty complex nutty legal scheme that allows our citizens to brandish firearms in the presence of our president. But hey, that's what happens. Ironically, knowing Americans, he's the guy you probably wouldn't want to focus on as the Secret Service. He's just doing it for the attention (which he got, I'd like to add) and hopefully to blame Obama for violating his Second Amendment rights if the Secret Service jumped him (which he didn't get, nah nah). He's actually mostly harmless, because he's following the law to the letter. It's the guy who's concealing his weapon who's out to kill the president. This guy's just out there to shock us, like Marilyn Manson.

And honestly I think we're making way too big a deal of this. So a guy has a gun. If he assassinated the prez, what then? We'd get a new one. Obama is not the only extreme liberal in this country. And the guy in question would go to jail (Or more likely get shot on the spot before he could even pull the trigger. What're the odds they didn't have several trained snipers aiming straight for him?). Not that big a deal.

ARE YOU HIGH?! It's been a big deal for each of the four presidential assassinations that have gone down. It's been a big deal when presidents die in office (of natural causes). Hell, it's a big deal when people have attempted to kill a sitting president. It'd be a GIGANTIC deal if the first black president of the United States was shot. You know how much animosity exists currently with him just in office? Imagine if the far right gave Obama's supporters (still a highly numerous group, I'd like to point out, despite Darkside's comment) an excuse to get violent. It'd be chaos. Pure and simple chaos.

http://www.piercemattiepublicrelations.com/Skittles_twitter.jpg
-gives hi-five and a bag of Skittles-

I'm going to run out of Skittles if you keep making so much damn sense.

 

[RicoADF]

Amazing, Obama tries to push through reforms to help all Americans and...


... he gets compared to hitler.

If nothing else the free health care debate is showing the smart majority of Americans why everyone else in the world thinks Americans are greedy and stupid. Plus it's giving the Mail plenty to scream about.

I second that, seriously how the hell can someone say that medicare, and thus the right to live with medical care, is a bad thing? About the armed man on the side of the road, if he's following the law then the police couldn't touch him just watch him which I bet they were doing very closly.

 

[klakkat]

I don't know much this particular case, but I know it wouldn't be the first; several years ago a man attended town meetings in the city I grew up bearing a double-barrel shotgun. It wasn't loaded since he had no intention of actually shooting people, but it did send a message. Being that I was about 12 at the time, I forget what that message was, but it definitely scared a lot of people but was still totally legal.

 

[nekolux]

The single dumbest thing about the republican campaign featuring hitler with obama is that Hitler would actually like the republicans more than obama =D
In fact the republicans are closer to hitler on the politicla spectrum than obama!

 

[Skelefunk]

You can argue all you want about how he isn't a socialist but he IS. Me and the majority of Americans, you know the ones protesting these insane policies, are right.

You aren't the majority, you're making it APPEAR as if you were the majority with all of the disruptions.
Also, can the right never be wrong? I was right in protesting the Iraq war, but I was seen as anti-american (and probably still am by some people). I however know people in the military who are in Iraq right now. I protested because I don't want them to Die over there for no reason, not because I 'hate' my country. I love this country, even if it is flawed, and our soldiers should only be deployed when it actually matters.

on topic, have you ever known anyone who knew they were going to die? have you ever watched someone you knew and loved face the fact that they only have a few weeks to live? What would you be concerned with during that time? Would you think about your family, and trying to be with them for one last time? Would you think about your religious convictions (if you have any)?
No. You end up worrying how to pay for the medical expenses that you have incurred because of your illness, hoping that your family can cover the costs. What about Funeral expenses? About all of the legal obligations you have?

To me, to worry about that crap when you are essentially on your deathbed is inexcusable. To me this bill is about human compassion, and while there are things wrong with it, we can't have a civilized discussion about it because the right is too concerned with yelling and comparing the plan to Socialism and calling the politicians Nazis (which I don't get since that's the extreme right...) to really talk about the issue.

The approval rating for the health care reform is below 50% so those that disapprove are the majority.

Never in all of Bush's years did he or his administration come out and say you are "un-American" for protesting. In America it is your duty to question your government. To not do so is insane. We now have Obama saying not to listen to those "Mobs" and Pelosi the Speaker of the House labeling protests of their policies "Un-American." That pisses me off when my government tells me its not ok to exercise the 1st amendment. These so called representatives that are supposed to represent us are not doing their job. That is why people are pissed off, they are not being heard so they only way they can be is to tell them in their faces.

Yes I have friends in Iraq and Afghanistan and I write to them sometimes. They believe in their mission. I obviously don't want to see them killed but I believe what we are doing is right. Time will tell how right we were. You cant come out just because things look bad sometimes and label it a failure.

I've had two relatives die in the past few years due to illnesses they've had for decades but because of the coverage they had, they were able to live as long as they did in peace.

This health care reform is not what is needed. It worse than the health care we have now. The quality is shit, those that can be covered and how will ultimately be decided by bureaucrats. You can kiss private insurance goodbye because they won't be able to compete with govt run. It is socialism. Anything where the government has total control is considered socialism. We will all be forced to use this unless we want no coverage. In America I like to choose, not be forced.

For a start, you can operate both private and public healthcare alongside eachother. You can choose. Also Obama is not left wing no matter what you say. He's barely socialist. Far right is controlling/maintaining order the people and freeing the economy. far left is freeing the people and controlling/maintaining order within the economy. Also your batshit insane

Atticus nailed this one. Carrying a gun is asking to be shot. In all circumstances.