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Khedive Rex

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Teddy Roosevelt said:
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Teddy Roosevelt said:
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Hey, huh, Teddy, do you think you can give an updated map on the positions of everyone? It would be easier to see the damage that way.
Err, uhhh... I can try, but I got that map from Wikipedia, so I'd have to give you the file all annotated and such rather than remade. Would you rather work with the old one or use the hypothetical scribbled on version.
If it's going to be too much work, I can get by, but I can just do with a basic map of were some things are (you could even just put some blobs on the map that says "Here Be Ruskies" if you want), and it's more just where the allied troops are that I care about. If you can do it, thanks, if not, then oh well, I'll figure it out.
You saw the map I posted way back when, yes? If you use that as a reference, I can give you a recap on what responses I have done with regards to where which Allied troops pushed me and such.
That would be great, thank you. I just need some basis on what has gone on for me to make my moves.
Actually, luckily for you, there isn't much for you to respond to at this point. Right now, I'm still waiting for everyone to finish the very opening moves of the war. Basically, I take people's troops movements and make my responses. Right now, all you have to do is put your plan into action. Then I can get the full picture for you, but right now, the job should actually be pretty easy. Just do what you would do to start off your offensive in the south, if anything, based on your original opening plan. If you need help with that, in particular, just ask me or Rex. In fact, I think Rex has the best idea of what your opening plan is, since he formulated most of it.
All of the different allies are on different times, technically. So what Poland or the Wehrmacht has done doesn't affect your opening whatsoever. You haven't been left behind and your plans are still basically the same. So, for example, the Wehrmacht is already fighting in Berlin, and in his time frame you've already set out. Whereas in your time frame, the Wehrmacht is on their way to Berlin and you're preapring to set out. So all we need from you is for you to... catch up chronologically.

The plan therefore is unchanged. The 3rd army moves north to meet the 1st army. Together they move through the Soviet forces (south of the Soviet 33rd) and head for Berlin. Speed is of the essence because the Wehrmacht is a little ahead of you and not as well equipped; they'll be the first surprise assault and then you're the cavalry/finishing blow.

Supposedly the 33rd is the only soviet army that is sitting in readiness so you may have some trouble passing through the Soviet gap but, I'm not sure you would now that in character.

The 9th is going to wait for the Whermacht, American 1st or 3rd, The British 2nd or the Canadian 1st and any troops polan can spare to come up behind the soviet western front after taking Berlin. When theta happens, all forces mentioned above will basically be sorrounding and assaulting the soviet western flank.

Your 15th ought to head out east so as to be useful to the attack. I would suggest he follow Canadian and French time tables which I describe in one of my above posts.

The 7th ought to move east and north to be around where the 3rd is now. Basically, you're trying to get it in a position to offer a completely immaginery threat to the Checkloslovakian block. Don't actually rush in. Get close and then start artillery shelling. But keep enough distance that you can retreat to a defensable mountainside if you have to. Our forces in the south are really not strong enough to hold the soviets, they're just there to distract and keep the northern soviet forces unsupported by the south.

You're 5th should run up to meet my 8th. Together they'll follow the same plan as your Seventh and the French 1st. Shelling of soviet southern forces. Except in this case it'll be yugoslovia just because thats probably all we could reach.

On the subject of your 7th, the French 1st is coming up to meet with it. Its entirely your decision whether you want to delay setting out until the two armies have joined or if you want them to join on the border.

And ... thats basically it. As far as I remember ... Best of luck!

*Awesome cool post to be filled in later*

Summary: English eighth fortifies and waits for the American 5th to catch up.

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*Awesome cool post to be filled in later*

Summary: The French first heads out at speeds identical to the Canadian time table in the direction of Munchen. They do suitably French things while traveling.
 

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Also, if anyone is interested, I have started a scifi special forces type RP called Killing the Juggernaut: The Battle of New Tyre. It must be on page two by now. Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know it's there.
 
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Teddy Roosevelt said:
Also, if anyone is interested, I have started a scifi special forces type RP called Killing the Juggernaut: The Battle of New Tyre. It must be on page two by now. Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know it's there.
Siunds like great fun, I'll go pop over there now. Can you give me a reserve? I have finals coming up so I dont know how active I'll be in the next two weeks.
 

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Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
Teddy Roosevelt said:
Also, if anyone is interested, I have started a scifi special forces type RP called Killing the Juggernaut: The Battle of New Tyre. It must be on page two by now. Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know it's there.
Siunds like great fun, I'll go pop over there now. Can you give me a reserve? I have finals coming up so I dont know how active I'll be in the next two weeks.
Well, there isn't much action on it. I'm sure you'll manage to get a spot.
 
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Teddy Roosevelt said:
Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
Teddy Roosevelt said:
Also, if anyone is interested, I have started a scifi special forces type RP called Killing the Juggernaut: The Battle of New Tyre. It must be on page two by now. Anyway, just wanted to let you guys know it's there.
Siunds like great fun, I'll go pop over there now. Can you give me a reserve? I have finals coming up so I dont know how active I'll be in the next two weeks.
Well, there isn't much action on it. I'm sure you'll manage to get a spot.
Could you give me a link? I cant seem to find it.
 

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We appear to be stalled again. Is there anything I can do to expedite the process or are we still waiting on America?
 

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We appear to be stalled again. Is there anything I can do to expedite the process or are we still waiting on America?
We need America. I would post something, but, frankly, I would have to god mod in order to really post anything substantial, and, for the sake of strategic realism (what we can manage), I won't have that.
 

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Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
 
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So, uh, no reinforcement for the Germans? We have to hold Berlin by oursleves? And can't reinforce the Polish? Can't put our best tactic (blitzkreig) to use?
 

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Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
So, uh, no reinforcement for the Germans? We have to hold Berlin by oursleves? And can't reinforce the Polish? Can't put our best tactic (blitzkreig) to use?
Guys, Berlin hasn't fallen yet. These are the absolute opening phases of the war. I haven't even posted a response to the general offensive yet.
 
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Teddy Roosevelt said:
CloggedDonkey said:
Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
So, uh, no reinforcement for the Germans? We have to hold Berlin by oursleves? And can't reinforce the Polish? Can't put our best tactic (blitzkreig) to use?
Guys, Berlin hasn't fallen yet. These are the absolute opening phases of the war. I haven't even posted a response to the general offensive yet.
I was just saying, his plan calls for my forces to stay tied down, as opposed to helping the Poles. If Berlin falls that is. Sorry if I come across as thick.
 

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Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
Just two things:

1) Berlin is far from captured. The Wehrmacht has begun the assault but will likely get its ass handed to it if America doesn't show up. My troops could swoop down after handling the north soviet situation but we'd take a while and already be tired from the fight. And dealing with Berlin un-assailed and elite northern front By ourselves. You also probably don't want to assault the Soviet Western front until we have it surrounded on two sides which, right now, we don't.

You should re-think your movements of the 1st and 3rd. They would be put to better use in Berlin.

2) To cross north and arrive between the 7th and the French 1st requires your 5th to travel through mountains. The Alps specifically, elevations of up to 12,000 or 13,000 feet. You'll be going with tanks, which will naturally delay an already strenuous journey, and you'll be leaving me to handle four Yugoslavian armies single handedly.

You should keep the 5th in the south. It's not cost-effective to move him north and his help is needed to keep the Yugoslavians back.
 

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Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
Teddy Roosevelt said:
CloggedDonkey said:
Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
So, uh, no reinforcement for the Germans? We have to hold Berlin by oursleves? And can't reinforce the Polish? Can't put our best tactic (blitzkreig) to use?
Guys, Berlin hasn't fallen yet. These are the absolute opening phases of the war. I haven't even posted a response to the general offensive yet.
I was just saying, his plan calls for my forces to stay tied down, as opposed to helping the Poles. If Berlin falls that is. Sorry if I come across as thick.
I see.

I've been slowly updating the Human Arsenal for the Battle of New Tyre. The M-55E3 is up, for your reference.
 

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Khedive Rex said:
CloggedDonkey said:
Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
Just two things:

1) Berlin is far from captured. The Wehrmacht has begun the assault but will likely get its ass handed to it if America doesn't show up. My troops could swoop down after handling the north soviet situation but we'd take a while and already be tired from the fight. And dealing with Berlin un-assailed and elite northern front By ourselves. You also probably don't want to assault the Soviet Western front until we have it surrounded on two sides which, right now, we don't.

You should re-think your movements of the 1st and 3rd. They would be put to better use in Berlin.

2) To cross north and arrive between the 7th and the French 1st requires your 5th to travel through mountains. The Alps specifically, elevations of up to 12,000 or 13,000 feet. You'll be going with tanks, which will naturally delay an already strenuous journey, and you'll be leaving me to handle four Yugoslavian armies single handedly.

You should keep the 5th in the south. It's not cost-effective to move him north and his help is needed to keep the Yugoslavians back.
Also, Rex, keep in mind which unit your 8th Army is. Monty's Desert Rats of the veteran 8th Army have been fighting since the North African Campaign in Egypt against the Italians in 1940. In February of 1941, Hitler sent in his Afrika Korps, and eventually failed. Then, the 8th Army fought its way north alongside the American 5th Army in Italy.
 

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Teddy Roosevelt said:
CloggedDonkey said:
Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
So, uh, no reinforcement for the Germans? We have to hold Berlin by oursleves? And can't reinforce the Polish? Can't put our best tactic (blitzkreig) to use?
Guys, Berlin hasn't fallen yet. These are the absolute opening phases of the war. I haven't even posted a response to the general offensive yet.
Oh, crap, sorry, thought you responded.

Anyway, due to things pointed out:

the 1st and 3rd will keep moving to Berlin.

The 13nth stays where it is for now and await a better time to move.

A small portion of air support will be given to the Wehrmacht.

Besides that, it should work out fine.
 

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CloggedDonkey said:
Teddy Roosevelt said:
CloggedDonkey said:
Huh, once again, sorry for holding this up. This keeps hitting the backburner, and I've been having tests in school, so... yeah, anyway, the plan is:

American 1st and 3rd, with Berlin fallen to the Germans, now attacks the Russian 3rd army.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war, and the 5th is to move in between the French and the 7nth.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

Also, are we getting reinforcements? Now that the surprise is gone, there really is nothing stopping the Russians from just moving forward and crushing everything and everyone in their paths except for a few armies.
Icarion (aka Stockholm) said:
So, uh, no reinforcement for the Germans? We have to hold Berlin by oursleves? And can't reinforce the Polish? Can't put our best tactic (blitzkreig) to use?
Guys, Berlin hasn't fallen yet. These are the absolute opening phases of the war. I haven't even posted a response to the general offensive yet.
Oh, crap, sorry, thought you responded.

Anyway, due to things pointed out:

the 1st and 3rd will keep moving to Berlin.

The 13nth stays where it is for now and await a better time to move.

A small portion of air support will be given to the Wehrmacht.

Besides that, it should work out fine.
Sorry. Just to be clear, could you go back over your full list of Armies in one post? I'm having trouble finding all of your latest decisions in order to respond. Just go down the line like you have been doing and tell me what your actions are for the 9th, 1st, 3rd, 7th, 5th, and 15th Armies individually, if you please. I ma be overlooking a very obvious indication of your moves, but I haven't looked at the thread in a day or two, so I've lost track of the posts. I know Britain and France's moves. I just need yours.
 

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the 1st and 3rd will keep moving to Berlin.

The 13nth stays where it is for now and await a better time to move.

A small portion of air support will be given to the Wehrmacht.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

That should be everything, and anyone not listed will just hold position until further notice.
 

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CloggedDonkey said:
the 1st and 3rd will keep moving to Berlin.

The 13nth stays where it is for now and await a better time to move.

A small portion of air support will be given to the Wehrmacht.

Any remaining air support continues to bomb the Russian forces between the 1st and 3rd joint force and the 9nth and 15nth joint force.

The 7nth, if it has not already, moves up to take the place of the 3rd at the start of the war.

The 15nth joins the 9nth in holding the line, with the 9nth holding position.

That should be everything, and anyone not listed will just hold position until further notice.
Sorry I haven't gotten to posting in a while. I was busy at work setting up my Killing the Juggernaut thread. Anyway, I have just one question before I proceed, and that is regarding the above mentioned "13th Army." I don't see a 13th Army on the map, and you seem to have already addressed the 15th Army, which is an American formation on the map. So, which formation do you mean to address with the 13th Army? [footnote]Side note: You are also to keep track of American troop movements in the Pacific Theater in combat against Japan. However, this is not top priority and to be honest, until August 6 and 9, after the bombs are dropped and Japan's mainland armies absorbed by the Soviets, you can just follow the true historical time line of the Pacific War as far as the US is concerned. Just, for the sake of the thread, keep us updated as events come and go. This is obviously just for the sake of setting up the second theater of war, really, but it still needs (in the lightest sense of urgency) to be done. Again, this isn't top priority, just keep it in mind as you post. [/footnote]