Origin Boss Says Steam Sales "Cheapen Intellectual Property"

ArkhamJester

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quote="Marv666" post="7.377755.14746784"]I think it would have been really silly for anybody to ever expect EA to do the kind of sales that steam does. Steam is able to do them for the same reason places like walmart and target can. When they put stuff on sale its not them that is eating the difference its the guys who made the product. EA on the other hand is the guy who paid to make the product.


The problem with steam sales is that they do hurt developers. Because of steam sales more people are willing to wait till the game goes on sale to buy it. Because of this you get less sales within the first couple months. Now this forces developers/publishers to agree to put there games on sale on steam just to make up the lost money. This leads to more people wanting to wait to buy games on sale. This leads to a never ending cycle of steam making tons of money and fucking over everybody who created the games.

It is different for small time indie developers though since they cant afford to advertise their games. They are forced to take a massive cut in profits just to get their game known.

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Luckily though nearly every single one of your complains can be solved by not talking out of your ass and instead learning something about the situations.[/quote]

Marv666, I realize I'm reaching here but I'll say it, were you hired by EA? No if you have share Marv's opinon that doesn't put you on EA's payroll just please hear me out Ex EA employee's have admitted to creating accounts on EA's and other gaming sites forums largely to act as a sort of counterbalance to all of the inevitable negativity as well as hoping to sway some people to their way of thinking by posing as a "random passerby" instead of a largely faceless conglomerate. I bring this up because simply pu, if developers were getting shanked in any way by steam sales, they would ***** about it, developers these days seem to love bitching about things they don't like so imagining all the major studios and even the indie ones keeping mum about steam seems absurd. Hell there have been tales of how steam saved studios from bankruptcy (most famously the developer of Amnesia the dark descent) as well as how every time studios (for a while including EA) were asked about steams policies and how well it worked for them it was nothing but positive things. All in all Steam doesn't devalue games, GOG stays competitive by offering generally cheap prices (with the occasional sale) with additional goodies, Origin stays in business by having money and titles funneled through it by EA.
 

Alpha Maeko

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I appreciate the "value" of my products on Steam just fine. Idiot.

"Ohohoh! But no wun veel appreciate our products if vee do not give it so much 'VALUE', Ohhoho!"

Yeah, keep selling your digital products for $60+, EA. That'll teach 'em.
 

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Do they just not understand how free market economics work?
Sure, they can keep prattling their prices at double Steam's or more and cite all the bullshit philosophical reasoning of value, etc. that they want.

But that's not how the market really works. People are going to go where they can get the products the cheapest, and Steam (in general) is where that happens.
 

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I sorry but shut the hell up EA you just don't want to have cheap game sales on mass instead you want us the consumer to bend to your stupid out of date business practices which I don't understand cause steam makes fucking buckets full of money on steam sales.
 

MASTACHIEFPWN

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I saw portal 2 on origin for 50 dollars.
It's twenty on steam.
Fuck logic.
If I want a game badly, I'll buy it when it comes out, If it's not a huge thing to me, I'll wait for the price to go down.
If it doesn't look like my cup of tea, I usually don't get it at all.
HOWEVER, steam, with its rampid sales, usually convinces me to buy a game I might not buy, effectivly increasing the amount of money I spend.
It's geneius.

EA needs to learn greed will get it no where.
 

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It's just like cars! When the new models come out you keep the old models the same price so you don't devalue their worth! Or wait, what?

What this guy doesn't seem to acknowledge is that there are many people out there who don't have 60 dollars to throw out at every game they want to play. If there is a title I'm very excited about (Portal 2 for instance), I'm going to pre-order and even buy the Potato Sack just so I can get my grubby fingers on it a few hours early. However, if there is a game in a genre or series (Civ 5) that I have never played but am interested in, I'll probably wait for the price to drop before checking it out. If I don't like it, then no sweat, it was only 10 or twenty bucks. If I do like it though, I'll be very much more inclined to buy the next game in the series. And tell my friends how kick-ass it is and how they should buy it.
 

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Here is the thing EA doesnt get. Not all games are worth 60 dollars. Hell. not all games are worth 20 dollars. However, really good games are worth a day 1 purchase.

Examples: Skyrim, Diablo 3, Guild Wars Factions Nightfall and Eye of the North, Dragon Age.

Examples of games that arent worth 5 bucks: Alpha Protocol, Far Cry 2, Wolfenstien.

Most other games fall in between. I regularly pick up games at 33% off on steam when they hit their very first sale, space marine, witcher 2, serious sam, batman arkham city.

the game industry needs to take a cue from every other entertianment industry and start putting out their product at a slight discount for the first week or two.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
How reliable is Gamesindustry.biz? Looking at their site, they seem fairly minor and not the sort of group I would think capable of interviewing the head of EA's Origin. If the interview is further outsourced by Games Industry, I can't seem to find where from.
 

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Some will pay full price and get immediately.
Some will pay much less and get later.
Some people might be inclined to do either on a given title, but will prefer the latter if they expect a sale.

I have trouble believing that the third group is large enough to make the profits from sales to the second group not worth it for most titles.
 

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MASTACHIEFPWN said:
I saw portal 2 on origin for 50 dollars.
It's twenty on steam.
Fuck logic.
If I want a game badly, I'll buy it when it comes out, If it's not a huge thing to me, I'll wait for the price to go down.
If it doesn't look like my cup of tea, I usually don't get it at all.
HOWEVER, steam, with its rampid sales, usually convinces me to buy a game I might not buy, effectivly increasing the amount of money I spend.
It's geneius.

EA needs to learn greed will get it no where.
Portal 2 is not on Origin, is it? I can't find anywhere saying it is or has been. In fact, looking at the site now, there is no record of such a thing.
 

weirdee

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so, not so much evil per se, but more of an 'amoral' approach really

they're willing to do anything to protect the bottom line except doing things that don't directly protect the bottom line, like work in the interest of anybody else if that action isn't going to result in guaranteed (although still hypothetical anyway) revenue down the line

while this is technically how companies work, it also hamstrings their range of actions, and tends to ayn rand the crap out of studios they work with, if you can call using those studios as property that can be sacrificed for profit as working with somebody

which while once again they technically own, means that they have as much empathy for those employees as the printer or coffee machine

as for skyrim, i think people are excited to see what dawnguard's got in store
 

SextusMaximus

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Origin boss is MASSIVELLY BUTTHURT.

I'm assuming he realised Steam is 10x the platform Origin will ever be.
 

Comrade_Beric

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A weak excuse to not drop their prices to a competitive level. I still can't understand why so many people talk about how Origin and Steam are basically the same when I can buy good games from steam at reasonable rates, while this guy talks about how having to compete is hurting his business. Boo-freaking-hoo. I've never been a valve fanboy or whatever, but it's hard to root for anyone else when this is the only other major contender on the market.
 

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Games for Windows Live tried to be Stream and Microsoft has since abandoned the entire concept because it just wasn't working.

Steam commands the online games market for PC because it's an easy, unintrusive, fast and efficient system of getting games online.

They almost always have stuff for ridiculously cheap, often in bundles or related to other games, pre-orders with neat bonuses and discounts, and yes - if you have five or ten bucks there's something out there to suit your needs.

I'll never use Origin. My computer blocks it from running or sending me notifications, and anything from EA goes right into my spam box.
 

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Even though Steam-style sales are off the table, DeMartini said EA has "got something else that we do believe in that we'll be rolling out" to attract customers.


Yeah, I'll be damned if that's 'something that actually benefits the interests of the consumer' and not 'something to forcefully attract customers, such as only selling our PC games on Origin under OUR price labels'.

Honestly, Digital Distribution is significantly cheaper than retail, why has the price not changed?[footnote]because people buy it, so why change what seems to work.[/footnote] Hence, why I don't use Origin.
 

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Heh, I read the title as "Origin Boss is totes jelly of Steam".




I don't get it. EA has no moral standards at all. It's a proven fact that they're evil incarnate. So, if Steam's amazing attempts to wring every last dollar from me by enticing me to buy every single game I had even the slightest interest in are, as EA claims, actually bad for the industry; then why isn't EA all over that?

EA loves killing the industry, after all.
 

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Marv666 said:
I said it earlier but the more often you put games on sale especially newer ones the more likely people are to wait a month or two and buy it when it is on sale instead of new. As this continues the problem only gets bigger and bigger. These are obviously not your week one sales people these are your month one and two guys. The economy being bad right now also serves to enlarge the issue.

The less sales a game gets in the first couple months the more likely they are to give in to the steam sales that caused them to have lower sales in the first place. This is the never ending cycle of doom that both EA and GOG were talking about when they say that steam sales are bad.
So sayeth the publisher -- that is, the guy that wants the market to stay the way it is now.

This could simply be the market adapting. More games are released at the same time, meaning consumers have to choose between one or the other under the current pricing model. That means we're more likely to have big winners and huge failures. Oddly enough, that's exactly what's happening.

This leads to the overwhelming sameness of the games coming out. If you want enough people to pay $60, you have to make it a sure bet. We're not talking quality, either. We're talking "make it a copy of a game that already succeeded." No changes, no risks, nothing new or different, just keep milking that cow until it's dry... well, it's drying out now.

The Steam sales and the casual microtransaction boom have proven that far more people will buy into games at a lower price. This is why so many games go free-to-play and see a massive increase in revenue. Why?

Because once the game is made, production costs for digitally-distributed games are done. You don't have to worry about disks, boxes, shipping, stocking, defects, or any of it. That means you no longer have to make an exact per-copy gain to stay in the black.

Steam sales aren't eroding the value of games. There hasn't been the least bit of data to back that up. But if EA and GOG want to see those deep discounts end, they're going to need more than empty conjecture based on the classic retail store model.

They're going to need to offer a lower starting price. $60 per copy has been, and remains, ridiculous to expect forever. Steam is simply proving there are droves of people waiting to get in, but that the current gate is shut a little too tight.
 

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I think existance of Origin, infact whole EA cheapens whole gaming industry. By your logic, they should close shop. Lets not hold our breath on it though.

we're trying to give you a fair price point,
erm, no you dont. you take a fair price point, multiply it by 3 and then put it on sale.