"Our wrath will be furious..."

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I watched the EVE online video at the end of Zero Punctuation and the line "Our wrath will be furious" bothers me a bit, it doesn't make complete sense.

On the escalating scale of anger, I always thought wrath was above fury, so the line seems like it's retracting it's intention somewhat.

It's like saying "Our boiling water will be lukewarm" or "Our hunger will be a bit peckish"

Has anyone else noticed this or does it even make any sense?

Can you think of any other lines which bothers you for similar reasons?
 
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Well, if you take the word "wrath" to mean...

n. vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger.

... and "furious" to mean...

adj. intensely violent, as wind or storms.

... it makes perfect sense.
 
Jamash

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Thanks, everyone, for your answers, I suppose it can make sense or not depending on how you interpret it.

HSIAMetalKing said:
I can't think of any-- then again, I'm not a Nitpicky Nancy Fancy Pantsy.
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Ha ha, true, but I'm still glad I got it off my chest.
 
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HSIAMetalKing said:
Well, if you take the word "wrath" to mean...

n. vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger.

... and "furious" to mean...

adj. intensely violent, as wind or storms.

... it makes perfect sense.
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So the punishment shall be intensely violent. Make seance to me.
 
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Technically wrath just means physical violence or aggression, usually in a revenge context. It can also be used (in saying "my/his/her/your/their wrath" to mean someones spite or indeed physical malice.

Look at Jule's quote in Pulp Fiction;

"I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger..."

this verse (Ezekiel 25:17) actually goes:

"I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know I am the lord. When I take vengeance on them" (New International Version)

Here wrath is used as a term for extreme anger, so both meanings of the word are in fact correct.
 
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I'm not comfortable seeing 'wrath' except when proceeded by 'G-d's righteous'.

Or 'squirrelly'.
 
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Our Anger will be ANGRY!

Anger being a synonym for both furious and wrath
 
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HSIAMetalKing said:
Well, if you take the word "wrath" to mean...

n. vengeance or punishment as the consequence of anger.

... and "furious" to mean...

adj. intensely violent, as wind or storms.

... it makes perfect sense.
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Vengeance is already indicative of fury, as provoked punishment is indicative of violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(rhetoric)

The phrase "Our wrath will be furious" is not incorrect or unpoetic - wrath usually includes fury, but it is redundant and therefore a tautology - you would not say "We will lust with desire" as lust already suggests desire, for example.

So, it sounds kinda cool, but it fails at rhetoric.
 
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Mmmm... I kinda disagree. I always thought of wrath as an angry reaction to some other event - you could think of it as revenge, but revenge is too straightforward in my way of thinking. The phrase "You shall feel my wrath" best describes this I think - wrath is a noun, even if it is an emotion - and as for the "furious"... it's being used as an adjective here right? Your wrath could be quiet, or deceitful, or violent, or furious... just like a storm can be furious or violent.

tl;dr: wrath doesn't indicate furious anger, just anger (of sorts). Furious is being used as an adjective :)
 
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Qayin said:
Vengeance is already indicative of fury, as provoked punishment is indicative of violence.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(rhetoric)

The phrase "Our wrath will be furious" is not incorrect or unpoetic - wrath usually includes fury, but it is redundant and therefore a tautology - you would not say "We will lust with desire" as lust already suggests desire, for example.

So, it sounds kinda cool, but it fails at rhetoric.
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Well, this is true, but I still think it kinda makes sense. Maybe it's just my take on the word, but wrath in a more verby sense (or would it be a noun in this case?) could be quite impersonal - like really, really destructive revenge from a chap with a cup of earl grey who just politely asked if they'd fire the jolly great guns please. That's a bad example I know, but I still feel the furious bit is kinda necessary as it confirms that yes, this wrath will be delivered from some who is very, very angry.

Besides, it just sounds better. If it was just "Our wrath'll teach you!" It'd kinda lose something.
 
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