Shitty support from a seclusive developer that's on a kick of making nothing but gimmicky, difficult-to-develop-for consoles? Michael Pachter is truly a man of prescience.
Pachter Predicts Poor Third Party Support for Wii U
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Pachter saying things that any old person could predict? Whatever in the world is happening!? I still don't understand why we put so much stock in this guy.
What kind of bothers me is Nintendo is the only company in the games industry that can do this. They surely have to be near the bottom of the nostalgia well.Soviet Heavy said:
God I hope so.
The only somewhat new franchises are either ignored (Pikmin) or were complete accidents that were supposed to be a one region release (Smash Bros).
What's sad is I tried to think of more examples of franchises that came after 1986 from Nintendo, but I can't. I really can't. And one of those two is just their other franchises mashed together.
I guess Pokemon?
It's still pretty terrible.cursedseishi said:
But part of the draw of the Wii and why it sold so well was the so called 'casual' market. Because if you compare the Wiimote to the average controller, the Wiimote looks well...far less intimidating. It looks simple.
With the WiiU...they appear to be going a complete opposite direction. A controller that looks un-intuitive to use and doesn't look friendly to the average person as the Wiimote.
I guess they're trying to capture the, "Hey, that looks like the iPad I use everyday!" demographic. I dunno. I think the 3DS has kind of shown their true colors, as if the Wii already hadn't.
Neither of those games are really doing a lot of heavy lifting these days though. I can't even remember the last F-Zero release and StarFox hasn't had a decent game in years outside of the 3DS remake of StarFox 64.Soviet Heavy said:
While I'm getting the general opinion from people that this Pachter guy is an idiot and suffers a bit from the "Captain Obvious" syndrome, I, not knowing anything about him, have to admit that he does raise a good point.
Nintendo hasn't shown a lot of love to making consoles that seem easy to make third party games for. I'd like to refer to how most of the Wii's best games (that I can think of atm) usually used the Wiimote as a controller and had little, if any motion controls at all. Designers just don't know how to use the motion controls that well, and often gimmick it into their games or make cheap Wii Sports knockoffs.
And the Wii U just looks like the same old complicated system, only instead of a Wiimote and Nunchuk, you got a tablet. I'm not even quite sure if you 'can' have multiple players playing on it at once, from what I've heard (though I haven't been following the Wii U much, I admit). I think it's a bit early to be calling Nintendo out as screwed, but they're certainly relying on their devoted fanbase a lot rather than trying to be conventional and sensible.
Nintendo hasn't shown a lot of love to making consoles that seem easy to make third party games for. I'd like to refer to how most of the Wii's best games (that I can think of atm) usually used the Wiimote as a controller and had little, if any motion controls at all. Designers just don't know how to use the motion controls that well, and often gimmick it into their games or make cheap Wii Sports knockoffs.
And the Wii U just looks like the same old complicated system, only instead of a Wiimote and Nunchuk, you got a tablet. I'm not even quite sure if you 'can' have multiple players playing on it at once, from what I've heard (though I haven't been following the Wii U much, I admit). I think it's a bit early to be calling Nintendo out as screwed, but they're certainly relying on their devoted fanbase a lot rather than trying to be conventional and sensible.
For Nintendo's sake I hope Pachter is wrong
We all know the Wii "It prints money" but yes the third party games we're quite bad usually.
For Nintendo to retain brand recognition it does needs some strong support this run.
The thing with Nintendo is that they dare to be different.. to bad sometimes it simply fails.
WiiU, I don't feel allot for it but I hope it gets some good games and good support.
We all know the Wii "It prints money" but yes the third party games we're quite bad usually.
For Nintendo to retain brand recognition it does needs some strong support this run.
The thing with Nintendo is that they dare to be different.. to bad sometimes it simply fails.
WiiU, I don't feel allot for it but I hope it gets some good games and good support.
I doubt he reads any Nintendo related news. Or he simply ignores most of them and reads what "supports" his predictions.
1. Until now, all developer who are developing something for the WiiU said how easy it is to develop games for it. Some of them even said that it's by far the easiest console to develop until now.
2. Reggie Fils-Aime once said that Nintendo won't force the developer to use the screen as they did with the Wii and Motion controls (if they wanted to make a game for the Wii, they had to use the motion controls at least sometimes). So unless the developer wants to use the screen, developing for the WiiU will be simpler.
3. With just 10 seconds brainstorming, I can think pretty much a use for the screen in any game you want. I won't be revolutionary, but it won't also be annoying or bad. They aren't idiots, they are developer. Their whole life is around creating games. If it was hard for them to think of a useful way to use the scree, they wouldn't be working as game developer in the first place.
4. Did he forget about the DS, 3DS (other DS family member), iPod, iPad, iPhone... all those touchscreen systems? As far as I know, DS and the 3DS are already a huge success where developer get millions out of them. the Apple family isn't any further with their apps.
5. Pachter predicted that the 250$ price of the 3DS was right, but that no matter how many games the 3DS has, it will never surpass the DS. He was wrong in both of those predictions.
Why the fuck is something he predicts still considered important? Half of the times, he is wrong, the other half he states the obvious. I wish I had his job.
1. Until now, all developer who are developing something for the WiiU said how easy it is to develop games for it. Some of them even said that it's by far the easiest console to develop until now.
2. Reggie Fils-Aime once said that Nintendo won't force the developer to use the screen as they did with the Wii and Motion controls (if they wanted to make a game for the Wii, they had to use the motion controls at least sometimes). So unless the developer wants to use the screen, developing for the WiiU will be simpler.
3. With just 10 seconds brainstorming, I can think pretty much a use for the screen in any game you want. I won't be revolutionary, but it won't also be annoying or bad. They aren't idiots, they are developer. Their whole life is around creating games. If it was hard for them to think of a useful way to use the scree, they wouldn't be working as game developer in the first place.
4. Did he forget about the DS, 3DS (other DS family member), iPod, iPad, iPhone... all those touchscreen systems? As far as I know, DS and the 3DS are already a huge success where developer get millions out of them. the Apple family isn't any further with their apps.
5. Pachter predicted that the 250$ price of the 3DS was right, but that no matter how many games the 3DS has, it will never surpass the DS. He was wrong in both of those predictions.
Why the fuck is something he predicts still considered important? Half of the times, he is wrong, the other half he states the obvious. I wish I had his job.
Pachter predicts failure for Nintendo; with his track record this means they'll curb-stomp all competitors. Again.
Steel Diver. Wii Music. Wii Fit. Wii Play. Wii Sports. Band Bros. Rhythm Tengoku. Mag Kid Slide Adventure. Personal Trainer Walking. Brain-Age. English Training. Money Market DS. Big Brain Academy. Tomodachi Collection. Kiki Tricks. Wii Party. Xenoblade. The Last Story. Pandora's Tower. Zangeki no Reginliev. Captain Rainbow. (these are just the past 5-6 years if you want I can go back even further)Frostbite3789 said:
Kid Icarus hasn't seen a new entry in 21 years. That might as well be a new freaking ip.
If that isn't enough then maybe this will cheer you up
That's a new mascot title.
Well, see, they don't recycle most their other franchises quite so much.Frostbite3789 said:
From round about 1986 or earlier we have mario, zelda, (donkey kong - but that's related to mario), metroid, and kid icarus (which vanished pretty much instantly.)
There's also a lot of other stuff that didn't really draw much attention, like duck hunt, balloon fight, and so on.
Now, after this came kirby, which was early 90's.
From the same Era we get F-Zero, Star Fox, and pilotwings...
There is of course the mother series as well, which they consistently refuse to release... Smash brothers shows up another series that's basically Japan exclusive, Fire Emblem, which is perhaps unfair because that wasn't designed by Nintendo, only published by them. - In other words, it's what would be termed a second party developer. (But what do Microsoft and Sony even make? - And if Activision or EA publishes something made by a development studio that was technically independent, does that count as their work?)
Anyway, from this period we also start to see the trend of endless mario spinoffs. Zelda games are all pretty similar, but the mario spinoff games show an interesting tendency in that they're all quite different to the main series, but recycle a lot of background elements.
To be fair, this wasn't unexpected, because Myamoto talks about designing mario as an 'everyman' character, that would be able to fit into just about any game. Which means this was intentional from the moment the character was designed...
Anyway, that's something of a distraction.
From the Nintendo 64 era we got Waverace, which had a single sequel on the Gamecube...
Then of course, Pikmin.
And now we've basically got the 'Mii' franchise, for whatever that's worth.
Oh, and animal crossing...
But the thing about this is, even by your own admission, what does nintendo recycle constantly? Mario, Zelda, and possibly metroid & kirby. (Oh, and let's not forget pokemon.)
Oh, and how about Golden Sun? Or Advance wars?
Nintendogs maybe...
I mean, it does all rather depend on what you consider to be 'made by nintendo', and what you don't. (Especially considering what the likes of EA, Activision, Sony, Microsoft, and larger release...)
But to imply this is all they do is to ignore all the other things they have in fact made which they don't reuse every chance they get...
It's like you're saying because they have mario & zelda, and keep reusing it, everything else doesn't count...
Now, yes, they lean much more heavily on reusing their old stuff nowadays...
I mean, look at this list:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_published_by_Nintendo
That isn't in any way a trivial list. And there's a lot of stuff on it that isn't the obvious big franchises.
Does not milking every single idea they have to death mean that only the series they actually are doing that with count?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngaudiosi/2012/01/06/zero-percent-chance-sony-will-show-playstation-4-at-e3-2012/
PS4 and Xbox720 confirmed for late 2012 early 2013 release then!