Pachter: Sony's 4.1 Million Moves Sold is Wrong

[Mattox33]

You know I bet if Nintendo counted every controller sale as a "unit", it would likely be well within the hundreds of millions. Sony should really only be counting it's EyeToy sales if they want to play hardball.

The eye is a separate product that lots of people didn't need to buy, the move is the wand that's why they count them.

No, it's not. The camera is a clearly necessary component for the system. How would Move work without it?? You know how many people buy more than one Move controller at a time? I work in retail, and keeping Move controllers in stock is a huge pain because people buy so many at once. So as I mentioned, counting every controller sold skews the numbers. How many hardware units you ship is impressive because it means that more people are going to be buying your games. That's why they even bring it up.

So as I mentioned, counting controllers doesn't count. Like I said before: If Nintendo counted every Wii Remote sold as a "unit" sold when counting console sales, they'd be well within the hundreds of millions. They do not, because not every individual controller is going to an individual household.

 

[Jumplion]

Um, didn't Sony already correct that it was 4.1 million shipped and not sold?

Way to restate what has already been state, Pachter.

 

[Unrulyhandbag]

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No, it's not. If Nintendo counted every Wii Remote sold as a "unit" sold when counting console sales, they'd be well within the hundreds of millions. They do not, because not every individual controller is going to an individual household.

Not every console goes to a separate house either; my next door neighbours have one in the living room and one in their daughters room for example.

Wii sales are for a console - that's an absolute unit a controller is not a console
Kinect is a camera - Again an absolute unit everything is in the box

Move is a set of controllers - two separate parts the navigation thing and the wand.

The camera has been one the market for years; measuring only the cameras sold will not indicate the amount of move units are installed and Sony sell it without the move name anyway so it's, very probably, not part of the sales indicated.

The figures may well seem skewed if you want to know how many move customers there are but this is sales to retail of move branded units, not a install base estimate. If Sony want to give us those they would give us the number of PSN connected machines with move installed. The problem is people comparing move and kinect sales the two have nothing in relation to each other.

Also a couple of the games out there don't use the camera and rely on the accelerometers and gyro, so, depending what games you want you don't need the camera. An extremely unlikely scenario but it's still possible for a savvy, yet short-sighted user to avoid the eye.

 

[Silvance]

Except Pachter is full of bullshit. Each unit that has shipped has already been bought by the retailers themselves. Sony has already made their money. Therefor yes, they have sold that many units. The problem is that the retailers haven't yet made all of their money back plus a tidy profit, by selling off the units they already have.

I'm convinced they have.

It was incredibly tedious finding move controllers in my area. Couldn't find an Eye anywhere. Both the PS3 with the move stuffs and the little move starter kit have been sold out here for a long time now.

Depends on the area I guess. I live in a fairly urban area near Birmingham, Alabama, and I was talking to my friend who works at Gamestop. He said that they've sold a grand total of one Playstation Move since release, and that was the PS3+Move bundle pack thing.