My friend have one of those Antec 900. He pretty much have to clean that once every 2-3 weeks. I'm pretty sure he ended up blocking that dumb top fan too.Yuuki said:
But yeah, it's not end of the world. It's really down to personal preference.
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But yeah, it's not end of the world. It's really down to personal preference.
Then his fan is upside down. My case has 2 top exhausts and they're assisting the case to keep clean.Tom Waits said:
Oh and OP should get win8. People complaining about it 99% of the time haven't even used it. I use it on my gaming rig and it's great!.
I think I'm qualified to talk about PC gaming
Master of the PC gaming Master Race.
I think I'm qualified to talk about PC gaming
Master of the PC gaming Master Race.
Win 7 vs Win 8 is still a matter of preference, I used it and after making it resemble Win7 it was basically the same thing. I mean when you launch a game it doesn't matter whether it's on Win7 or Win8, MS have ironed out 99% of the gaming performance issues.
Also damn all these Vault101 avatars, I identify people with their avatars but when all of them are about freaking Vault101 it's like urgh, who is who again?
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Also damn all these Vault101 avatars, I identify people with their avatars but when all of them are about freaking Vault101 it's like urgh, who is who again?
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Just a heads up. If you do end up going to build it yourself.
- Yes, you can press down as hard as you can when installing the CPU heatsink.
- Yes, it's pretty normal after you put everything together and press the power button it will not switch on at all. Take a deep breath and go kick a chair or something. Then go back to it and figure out what you did wrong. 9 out 10 times it's something really stupid.
Hehe, I'm never a fan of spending too much on the case anyway. I just want a simple low profile roomy case with 1-2 fans.
- Yes, you can press down as hard as you can when installing the CPU heatsink.
- Yes, it's pretty normal after you put everything together and press the power button it will not switch on at all. Take a deep breath and go kick a chair or something. Then go back to it and figure out what you did wrong. 9 out 10 times it's something really stupid.
That Antec 900 was magical back in the day. Probably almost 8 years ago now?Yuuki said:
Hehe, I'm never a fan of spending too much on the case anyway. I just want a simple low profile roomy case with 1-2 fans.
Guys, has anyone noticed he wants to build a gaming PC, that's also a Mac?
OP, are you running a Hackintosh and building a PC, or are you buying a Mac?
Macs are terrible for gaming. Trust me. I've owned one and know people that own them and will testify that they are so much worse for gaming than a standard Windows machine.
OP, are you running a Hackintosh and building a PC, or are you buying a Mac?
Macs are terrible for gaming. Trust me. I've owned one and know people that own them and will testify that they are so much worse for gaming than a standard Windows machine.
I followed your link to pcpartspicker, and I'm experimenting with it a little. Here's a build I put together, just to get a feel for it. What do you think? I know the power supply goes above my estimated wattage, but from what I've heard, it's best not to skimp on the power supply. I apologize for the incoming wall of text.direkiller said:
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I'm building a PC. My family's current computer is a Mac, but even I already know that they're terrible for gamingToxicOranges said:
Honestly, I think about $600 is a good point for a computer. I bought the parts for my current setup 3 years and it can STILL play most games on High settings without too much trouble.
If I were you I wouldn't buy the Top of the Line parts, I would buy parts that are somewhat new (when the new models of anything come out the prices for the older model usually drops significantly), and I would keep upgrading in the future in mind.
Also, buy the parts separate, it's a lot cheaper. Most pre-fab computers are simply over priced. If you are worried about screwing something up, just take the parts to a local computer repair shop. Mine did it for about $50 (I was only worried about the processor since it was the only piece that didn't simply snap into place)
If I were you I wouldn't buy the Top of the Line parts, I would buy parts that are somewhat new (when the new models of anything come out the prices for the older model usually drops significantly), and I would keep upgrading in the future in mind.
Also, buy the parts separate, it's a lot cheaper. Most pre-fab computers are simply over priced. If you are worried about screwing something up, just take the parts to a local computer repair shop. Mine did it for about $50 (I was only worried about the processor since it was the only piece that didn't simply snap into place)
Shax don't you dare get that case i had a 1200 which is almost the same and trust me its a piece of crap i had the top fan explode on me from manufacturing fault and then Antec turns around and screws me like a roofied promdate by refusing to honor the warranty
so now i am left out of pocket with a useless heap in my garage
only lucky thing about the whole episode is that the speeding shards of plastic missed my important components and only hit the hard insides of the chassis and the shield on the GPU did to a little bit of damage to my HDD from vibrations but that's not an issue it got relegated to a media server
so now i am left out of pocket with a useless heap in my garage
only lucky thing about the whole episode is that the speeding shards of plastic missed my important components and only hit the hard insides of the chassis and the shield on the GPU did to a little bit of damage to my HDD from vibrations but that's not an issue it got relegated to a media server
Cost-cutting measures:
-Don't forget you could save money by salvaging a HDD from an older desktop that you or a family member no longer have use for (provided it is not ancient and you are not looking to keep 20+ games installed at once). Optical drives are an easy salvage as well, why pay more $$ if you already got a DVD-drive collecting dust? Add a fancy Blue-ray player and whatnot later on if you need to.
-A far riskier option is to salvage a power-supply as well...just make sure it is rated well above the requirements of your new & expensive hardware as some PSUs never actually achieve the listed wattage. Probably safer to buy a new one. That said, everyone says that you need a top-of-the-line corsair PSU but that's just not true. Just don't buy a cheap one from some random company nobody has ever heard of.
-Don't bother with sound cards as they are a waste of money unless you are planning to set up some crazy expensive configuration (on-board sound card embedded in the mobo and a good set of headphones provide excellent quality, IMO). Network cards are a waste of cash unless you plan to go wireless, otherwise a long ethernet cable with router is just as good.
-A SSD will make a difference, but it is not essential. Consider taking it out of the equation to cut costs, then upgrade later if you desire faster load times.
-Buy the motherboard that meets all your needs but is fairly cheap. So long as it does not have bad reviews (look up reviews for all the parts you choose), it will perform just as well as pricey models.
-I personally would not go crazy with cooling or cases either, get a cheap CoolerMaster case with a couple of 20mm fans and be done with it. It isn't going to matter if your hardware runs a degree or two hotter, the danger-zone for most hardware is like 90 degrees or more.
-I would consider an i7 processor as well, GPUs and RAM are easy to upgrade while CPU upgrades often require an entirely new motherboard as manufacturers periodically change socket types. i5 will provide excellent performance for many years regardless and will save $$, but if you can find an i7 for only slightly more...
-A gaming mouse and keyboard...I would personally see if you can salvage a standard pair from an old desktop you or family has lying around. If you find these unsatisfactory once you finish your build, then look at more expensive options.
-Don't forget you could save money by salvaging a HDD from an older desktop that you or a family member no longer have use for (provided it is not ancient and you are not looking to keep 20+ games installed at once). Optical drives are an easy salvage as well, why pay more $$ if you already got a DVD-drive collecting dust? Add a fancy Blue-ray player and whatnot later on if you need to.
-A far riskier option is to salvage a power-supply as well...just make sure it is rated well above the requirements of your new & expensive hardware as some PSUs never actually achieve the listed wattage. Probably safer to buy a new one. That said, everyone says that you need a top-of-the-line corsair PSU but that's just not true. Just don't buy a cheap one from some random company nobody has ever heard of.
-Don't bother with sound cards as they are a waste of money unless you are planning to set up some crazy expensive configuration (on-board sound card embedded in the mobo and a good set of headphones provide excellent quality, IMO). Network cards are a waste of cash unless you plan to go wireless, otherwise a long ethernet cable with router is just as good.
-A SSD will make a difference, but it is not essential. Consider taking it out of the equation to cut costs, then upgrade later if you desire faster load times.
-Buy the motherboard that meets all your needs but is fairly cheap. So long as it does not have bad reviews (look up reviews for all the parts you choose), it will perform just as well as pricey models.
-I personally would not go crazy with cooling or cases either, get a cheap CoolerMaster case with a couple of 20mm fans and be done with it. It isn't going to matter if your hardware runs a degree or two hotter, the danger-zone for most hardware is like 90 degrees or more.
-I would consider an i7 processor as well, GPUs and RAM are easy to upgrade while CPU upgrades often require an entirely new motherboard as manufacturers periodically change socket types. i5 will provide excellent performance for many years regardless and will save $$, but if you can find an i7 for only slightly more...
-A gaming mouse and keyboard...I would personally see if you can salvage a standard pair from an old desktop you or family has lying around. If you find these unsatisfactory once you finish your build, then look at more expensive options.
Thanks for the heads-up! I'd actually already changed the case, but it's good to know I made the right decision.Kaymish said:
Shax said:
RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231455
or in blue(I would get this one as it maches your LED's)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231445
same price faster ram + fins look cool
ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard
this is a slight problem
Micro ATX bords are tiny(as you can tell by the name). Besides makeing your full tower look empty you may have trouble getting the ram ,soundcard and the full sized GPU you have to fit
IMO drop: the soundcard as they are useless,unless you have a Surround sound speaker system (your mobo will handle sound just fine for 2 speaker/headset)
and put that into a Full ATX Motherbord
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131965
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130653
ASUS tend to be the better brand name of the two and the more popular one
Both can run 5 external fans( I think) regardless you will need a few 3pin splitters as your case comes with 7 fans
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16812200455
I don't think you have room on your case for the closed system CPU cooler you have. IMO just drop it, as they tend to not be worth there price. If you have your heart set on a aftermarket cooler get a air cooler, with blue LEDs to match your case, as you have a full case you can pick just about anything and it will fit.
possible warning:your case is going to light up like a cristmass tree(Blue LED's make the room very bright), I know this can be a problem for some sleeping arrangements(dorm,shared bedroom or whatnot), so keep this in mind if you are going or are in one currently.
Also do not expect your case to fit under a desk.
as im alredy on newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139028
Corsair PSU are amazing and it's cheper then the one you picked
EDIT: you are also missing a normal hardrive in that setup, unless you like living on the edge with 120gb
Personally, I'd get AMD Radeon HD7870 or Nvidia GTX 660. They're more powerful and more beneficial for gaming PC.Shax said:
Get rid of Liquid CPU Cooler and Sound Card and put that money into your Graphics card budget. And get HD7870 or GTX660 instead. You really don't need a CPU cooler and sound card. You can always add those two in later on, if you really think the sound and cooling isn't up for your standard, but you can't do the same with your graphics card.
Get rid of your Solid State Disk too and use that money to buy a 1TB hard drive.
Also, did you buy a monitor? You need that to see : )
Thanks for the tips. I revised the build, dropping unnecessary parts, and replacing some that I think surpassed my needs. What do you think?direkiller said:
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Shax said:
just keep in mind on your motherbord because it has a H77 north brige the best ram you can get is 1600 So keep in mind if you ever get more, you can put higher ram in there but it will only clock to 1600 so it becomes pointless. It will not effect anything now,as you picked 1600, but just keep that in mind down the road
outer then that I would probably put a little more into the GPU but that is a personal choice
also you will need a thermal paste for your aftermarket cooler
I never trust a factory application of the stuff(this is for stock coolers as well) and it is worth the $7-10 investment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3gx6c62D7I coffee fitters work just as well if you don't have a lint free cloth
EDIT: also standard hard drive
Thanks for the info. Aside from what you mentioned, everything else looks fine?direkiller said:
The RAM shouldn't be a problem. I don't intend to do any sort of graphic design, so 16GB should serve my needs.
And as for the GPU, is there a specific card you would recommend?
Sorry to ask so many questions. You've been very helpful, and I greatly appreciate it.
660 GTX or 650tiShax said:
660 GTX are about $60-80 but they will last you a bit longer
if that breaks your budget
650ti is like $10-20 more then the 650 and only a little worse then the 660
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133473
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130839
I don't know if the 650 in your list had a promo offer but this is not a bad deal, and may be cheaper with the coupon offer for a card with about twice the CUDA cores. (if you play Hawken, World of Tanks, or PlanetSide 2)
and yea you should be fine with 8gb or 16gb of 1600 DDR3. It's not a problem and probably will never be one. It was just a warning for down the road, if something happens or you want more ram as there is no sense putting money into RAM that will not do any good.
Well, first;Shax said:
Do you plan on overclocking your CPU?
If the answer is yes, get the 3570K instead of the 3570 and keep the CPU cooling.
If the answer is no, drop the CPU cooling. The CPU will come with sufficient cooling on its own, and without overclocking [Hell, even with a little bit of overclocking] you don't need the extra cooling. Liquid cooling is nice 'cause its quiet, but its a luxury that doesn't effect your performance.
Other than that, how many games are you planning on playing?
PCs require all games to be installed to the Harddrive to run. You have a 120Gb Solid State Drive only from the looks of that, unless you're salvaging from a previous PC you've owned. Windows takes up 21Gb, and all the files I have saved to my Documents and such have added up to another 60Gb for me [Admittedly that is about 40Gb of Skyrim mods]. Likely you'll be left with 80-100Gb for installing games. Modern AAA PC titles range in size from 8-16Gb, a few are larger, a few are smaller. Basically, you can expect to install about 8 games. Indie titles are smaller by far, and usually only go for about 100Mb-2Gb, so if you're primarily Indie gaming you should be fine. Older games are also a lot smaller.
If you think you will need more space, dropping to a 64Gb SSD and getting a 500Gb or 1Tb Hard Drive would be worth it. Install the OS on the SSD, everything else on the Harddrive. If you think you'll have enough space though don't bother, you can always add more in later if you need it.
RAM: Yes 16Gb will serve your needs more than fine, its more of a performance thing where you don't need more storage space, but you need that storage space to be able to transfer data faster, I.E: 2166Mhz RAM instead of 1600Mhz RAM for faster transfer of large packets of data. ATM its mostly irrelevant for gaming, but in the future it might not be, and it's something that's likely to take a whole system upgrade - you'll need to replace your motherboard, which may mean replacing your CPU as well if you're not lucky [Though it should be fine I won't guarantee it at that point], as well as the RAM and you might want a new graphics card if you've hit performance issues in that department too. This is likely to happen anyway when DDR4 RAM comes out though so I wouldn't worry about it, you'll be fine for ages. 16Gb is overkill for the next 3-4 years by my estimate.
GPU: Nvidia 660Ti. A couple of models higher than the 650, and with some fair performance gain too, without increasing prices too much. If cost isn't an issue a 670 or 680 would give more performance, but they're generally a lot more expensive. Could also look at the Radeon equivalents online, check their reviews and comparisons to Nvidia, and see if you'd prefer one of them instead.