Perceptions of Gaming

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Lobsterkid101

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Its been a while since my first thread, mainly b/c i dont' usually like to post unless its something that people can talk about intelligently and serves to help me gain a perspective from fellow gamers in a world that consists mainly of non-gamers....

For the people who dont' play videogames consistently as a hobby, gaming is rather looked down upon for the most part ( i'm sure there's the exceptionally cool dad or understanding mom somewhere, but i'm speaking generally here)

From my experience, the reason for this negative attidude, besides the innate bias that videogames suffer from, is the fact that people don't percieve videogames as beneficial in any sort of respect. And for the most part, they're right, they arn't benificial in the sense that saying that you've beaten halo 3 on legendary or Resistance On Superhuman is not going to help with your job descritpion, your math homework, or your college application sheet.

This perception of gaming is true, but what seems to be lost is the perception is what it IS, rather then what it is not. What it IS, what some many non-gamers fail to adress, is that it is an evovling ENTERTAINMENT.

The counter-arguement could be that it is an entertainment that is used to often. And i'd say, perhaps, yes, but i look around my friends and family, i see a close friend of mine read for 4 hours a day before eating lunch and THEN picking up the book again to commence reading once more. No criticism there, not a word of protest. Does Reading teach you anything, besides perhaps the underlying moral of the story? Do games, *or at least, good games*, not have a similar thing called dialogue?

The sports fanatics *Note: i love sports, especially soccer, so please noone take this the wrong way* play and train their particular sport far longer and with a greater dedication then most gamers. Friends of mine have left for practice at 2 and come back at 11, all for the sake of honing their game. This is all fine and good, but the same question applies, how is it benefical in the long run *besides a healthier body* Few people who play sports will be able to get a scholarship because of how good they are, and a billionth of those people will ever even get accepted into the professional sport. Yet, i have yet to hear a news rant about how Lacross or Football is killing America's younge children today.

Now let me clarify, once more, i LOVE sports, i LOVE reading, i just like gaming too. Those who love to read and kick a ball, fantastic, but what i'm trying to point out here is that its your form of ENTERTAINMENT, and while people pour hours into it, its all for the fact because they want to, because its entertaining, but its not going to be your saving grace *except for those few* when its time to apply to harvard, yale, ect. The distinction i'm trying to make is that gamers are the exact same thing, except they choose a different form of entertainment, thats for some reason frowned upon, because the perception of gaming is that its bad, that it doesn't teach us or our kids, but i have to ask, is anything else really that much better?
 

Space Spoons

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Honestly, I don't think gaming gets the bad rap it does because it's not educational. It's more out of a need for society to have some kind of scapegoat to blame the "decline and fall of western civilization" on. Fiction novels, comic books, rock music and film all got the same treatment.
 

Phoenix Arrow

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I don't see what you're getting at to be honest.
You're saying gaming is a form of entertainment? I don't think anyone would disagree with you except maybe Jack Thompson and Chris Atkinson. I also don't know anyone who frowns upon gamers so I'm really not sure where you're going with this.
 

Mean Mother Rucker

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As a response to the "Do games teach anything," yes, games are used to solve attention disorders, albeit not completely, but allow people with said disorders to complete long tasks, and focus more easily.

A host of new studies suggest that video games build rather than diminish cognitive skills. Even a relatively simple tiling puzzle like Tetris has been shown to boost brainpower. Moreover, learning expert James Gee?s research reveals that typical teenage gamers are anything but addlebrained. ?We had a hard time finding kids who were bad at school but good at games,? Gee says.

Also, games played from an early age allow children to more easily grasp patterns.
For the benefits that I don't want to type because I am lazy, take a peek here:
http://www.helium.com/items/313476-benefits-of-playing-video-games
 

frozenshad

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if you ask most over-protective mothers it's because "gaming promotes drugs,sex, and alcohol" which is true.... if you give a game like gta4 to a six year old.. most non-gamers just assume this stereotype is true and blame anything that remotely involves gaming as the cause (the incident where the kid killed himself accidentally after playing halo 3)
 

Mean Mother Rucker

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frozenshad said:
if you ask most over-protective mothers it's because "gaming promotes drugs,sex, and alcohol" which is true.... if you give a game like gta4 to a six year old.. most non-gamers just assume this stereotype is true and blame anything that remotely involves gaming as the cause (the incident where the kid killed himself accidentally after playing halo 3)
But in the "Give a 6 Year Old an M game" it's the parent's fault.
Even though it's becoming much easier to get M rated games, it's still the parent's fault for either buying it, or allowing the child to get it.
 

Vivaldi

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You make a point. Why should gaming be looked down upon by the rest of the world as some child corrupting drug-like thing?

Games dont necessarily have to be bad, but they generally sell better if they are. And because of a few stupid kids that were not supposed to be playing those games anyways went and got into trouble, we all get to suffer.

Gaming has a bad rap but that does not mean GAMERS should have one too. I tend to play M rated (for reasons not to be delved into here) and I do that almost every night. From that alone one might think I am some horrible child who adds nothing to society. On the contrary I am a promenant member of a community service group in my area and maintain a 4.0, and participate in athletics 20+ hours a week. I am a good person, as are probably 90% of gamers. Why should our favorite hobby be looked down upon?

I think it is due to 1: gross, over glossing generalzations based on only a minority of test results and 2: ignorance

1: Okay, some people are stupid and will go and pretend to be gangsters like in GTA4. What percentage of players of GTA4 actually do that? I would bet money it would be less than one percent(any actual statistics anyone?). And since those people are famous, we all get the media whip for promoting stupid things like that when we clearly dont.

2: People have to be trying to be this stupid. If the box says no one under 18 should play it, then at least THINK abnout it before you buy it for your kids. Is your kid stupid enough to try this stuff? Or better, is your kid 4 years old? Because some kids get "affected" by games eveyone who knows nothing about it goes on about how terrible averything is and how we are to blame. When it is obviously the parents' fault. But no, oh no its just easier to blame us.

BOTH of these problems could be solved by leaving Gaming to mature, responsible, intelligent people who wont go be "pretend-gangsters" in the streets.

Then hopefully we wont be looked down upon any longer...

/rant

Sorry for long reply (and sorry for any spelling/grammer mistakes I missed).
 

frozenshad

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Yellow Lad Unleashed said:
frozenshad said:
if you ask most over-protective mothers it's because "gaming promotes drugs,sex, and alcohol" which is true.... if you give a game like gta4 to a six year old.. most non-gamers just assume this stereotype is true and blame anything that remotely involves gaming as the cause (the incident where the kid killed himself accidentally after playing halo 3)
But in the "Give a 6 Year Old an M game" it's the parent's fault.
Even though it's becoming much easier to get M rated games, it's still the parent's fault for either buying it, or allowing the child to get it.
exactly, but of course the parents blame the game instead of taking responsibility... its sad really..
 

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Reading is seen as intellectual. Sports physically demanding. Gaming, or at least being a 'gamer', is still ^^ no matter how hard some people try to glamorise/sexify it.
 

Lobsterkid101

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Eggo said:
That's because even the most cerebral gaming is hardly intellectual like reading can be.

Really? i do have to say, portal bent my mind in yoga poses that Huckleberry Finn failed to do, which is really just bad advertising by english teachers in my honest opinion.
 

Arsen

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http://www.dabbledoo.com/ee/images/uploads/gamertell/littlle_kid_gamers.jpg

http://pro.corbis.com/images/RF5059655.jpg?size=572&uid=%7B6385CBE4-72CF-4AE4-AEFC-455F132C32D0%7D

http://loot-ninja.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/fat_gamer_kid.jpg

My job here is done.
 

Lobsterkid101

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lol, huckleberry finn was the first book that came to mind when thinking about so called intellectual/famous books...

And how does me find Portal challanging say anything about the books i've read? It's a puzzle game, it wouldn't be any fun if it didn't in some way bend my mind.
 

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My wife's aunt looks down on gaming as a childish pastime and won't entertain any discussion to the contrary. I guess to be an adult you have to sit on the couch alone every weekend drinking wine and watching trashy tv shows.

Eternal youth plz.
 

Khadath

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It's not that were looked down on for our hobby's it's that politicians simply use gaming(and other media) as a scapegoat for why our generation is so morally different to theirs but gaming in particular, the older generations see gamers as immature.

But however in 30 years when our generation holds the political power we'll find something to look down upon in a vain attempt to keep the world as we remember it.
 

Mean Mother Rucker

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frozenshad said:
Yellow Lad Unleashed said:
frozenshad said:
if you ask most over-protective mothers it's because "gaming promotes drugs,sex, and alcohol" which is true.... if you give a game like gta4 to a six year old.. most non-gamers just assume this stereotype is true and blame anything that remotely involves gaming as the cause (the incident where the kid killed himself accidentally after playing halo 3)
But in the "Give a 6 Year Old an M game" it's the parent's fault.
Even though it's becoming much easier to get M rated games, it's still the parent's fault for either buying it, or allowing the child to get it.
exactly, but of course the parents blame the game instead of taking responsibility... its sad really..
Because parents don't want to admit that they made a bad parenting decision in buying the lil guy the M game.
But the child can be partly to blame because the lil tyke knows that his parents are either A) Tired or B) will spoil him or C) Will have their defenses broken after a good whine-session. So despite the rating, the child will still try to get the game.
Can't blame the guy though.