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Eggsnham

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Today we have to put my cat, Pebbles (AKA Piggy) down. She is a fifteen year old Calico with Liver failure, Kidney Failure, we think she has a relapse of cancer from when she was about six years younger, and she has a stomach problem in which she eventually pukes up most of which she's eaten recently.

We all decided that it would be better to "put her down" than to make her suffer any longer through this :(

We're all gonna miss her.

With that, I have a question; what are your thoughts on animal Euthanasia? As far as I know, it's the same as what they do to prison inmates on death row, and I've read that that's way more painful than what doctors think.

I'm suddenly concerned for Piggy.

There's no changing it though, my dad's set on the idea that it's painless, and I can only hope that he's right.

Anyways, discuss.
 
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You'd assume it's painless because before the inject anything else they fill the body with about 5x the amount of numbing drugs as are safe.
 

Argtee

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If the animal is in a lot of pain, I think it should be "put down".

I remember when I was younger, my sister had a hamster. We had him for about 3 years. We found out that he had a tumor in his eye and cancer in his leg. ( or was it the other way around?)

We had him "put down". I'm not sure why anyone would let a hamster stay alive if it had a tumor in its eye and cancer in it's leg.

I'm sure that it is painless.
 

Jedoro

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I'm fine with animals being euthanized, and hell, even people if they want it, but I'm used to feeling pain, so I'd probably just stick it out.

They really do need to find less painful ways to euthanize. Can't we just OD them on morphine?
 

DeadlyYellow

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Wait wait wait wait. They still kill people in prison? I thought they stopped that because it wasn't "humane" enough.

Personally I've been a practitioner of the 12 gauge method. If in animal is suffering that much I doubt it will care how it goes out.
 

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Eggsnham said:
Today we have to put my cat, Pebbles (AKA Piggy) down. She is a fifteen year old Calico with Liver failure, Kidney Failure, we think she has a relapse of cancer from when she was about six years younger, and she has a stomach problem in which she eventually pukes up most of which she's eaten recently.

We all decided that it would be better to "put her down" than to make her suffer any longer through this :(

We're all gonna miss her.

With that, I have a question; what are your thoughts on animal Euthanasia? As far as I know, it's the same as what they do to prison inmates on death row, and I've read that that's way more painful than what doctors think.

I'm suddenly concerned for Piggy.

There's no changing it though, my dad's set on the idea that it's painless, and I can only hope that he's right.

Anyways, discuss.
my condolences for piggy (like that name) i have a cat to, although hes only 4 and i would not know what to do without that little bastard.

now about the euthanasia, i do think its painless, but even if its not it was probably a lot less painful(and quicker) than dealing with kidney/liver failure, and cancer.
 

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Whatever, just wash your hands.
poor kitty
Im not sure what chemical concoction they use for pets but its different then what we use on death row, death row inmates in this country are injected multiple times with a series of different chemicals that each do a different thing, which is weird considering that a single chemical method would probably be more efficient and less likely to fuck up
 

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Jedoro said:
I'm fine with animals being euthanized, and hell, even people if they want it, but I'm used to feeling pain, so I'd probably just stick it out.

They really do need to find less painful ways to euthanize. Can't we just OD them on morphine?
Yeah. Let them drift out in a blissful haze.

OT: I doubt it'll hurt more than cancer and organ-failure.
My condolences =/. Still, she'll be galloping after spools of string up in the sky soon.
 

demoman_chaos

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I have a 16 year old dog, I'd rather him live out his years than be on the recieving end of the death sentence (considering he is as aold as my yougner brother and old than my little sister, it would be like putting them on death row). If he gets to the point where he is in really bad shape, it may be better to spare him the torment but he can still move around OK.

Any critter besides him I may be more willing, but not my 4 legged brother.
 

Kpt._Rob

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It's a tricky issue, as is taking the life of any entity that has the ability to feel for that matter. There's no way for us to know what type of pain is incurred upon death by the animal, we can't talk to them in the first place, and even if we could, the ones we put down wouldn't be able to say anything. Even if the process is physiologically painful, the psychological process of death can be frightening. In humans death is generally accompanied by the release of dimethyltryptamine (DMT) by the brain, it's an extremely potent hallucinogen. There are lots of case reports that can be read from people who take DMT recreationally, and they run the gamut from beautiful experiences that one would be happy to have as their last, to horrendous traumas that one may never recover from completely. I don't know whether other animals also release DMT when they are in the processes of death, but if they do it's hard for us to know how the chemicals used to put an animal down would interact with DMT, or any other chemicals released by the brain upon death. The point is that even if the physical pain of putting an animal down is negligable, we can't know what it endures psychologically.

That said, I do think that it is generally safe to assume that the euthenasia of an animal which is suffering may be a greater mercy than allowing its life to run its natural course, though this too is a tricky issue to judge because while it is easier for the animal, it is also easier for the owner. That is, we project our own feelings onto the animal, when this may or may not be acurate. Still, I imagine that the pain an animal endures from an injury that will ultimately kill it is greater in some ways than what a human with similar injuries might experience. Unlike humans, whose brains permit them to wrap their heads around their own inevitable deaths, and in the case of some to even accept their own mortality, it could be pretty safely assumed that concepts like life and death simply aren't something an animal can apply to its own consciousness. For an animal who is suffering, they do not understand that the pain will be terminated, even if its termination comes in the form of death. This means that unlike humans, whose brains permit them to see a future in which pain does not exist, for an animal pain is an all encompassing feeling, they lack the ability to swim through the pain, and instead drown in it. To this extent, it is probably much more merciful to end the life of the animal instead of allowing it to continue suffering.

That said, these are all arguments phrased with utilitarian logic. That's all fine and good, but ultimately the decision may not be utilitarian at all, but deontological in nature. I do not claim to know whether or not there is a God or an afterlife of some sort, but postulating the existence of a God makes all utilitarian logic null. If a God does exist, then the decision of whether or not euthanasia is morally appropriate is not something that we can judge for ourselves, but instead is something we must be told by God. I do not know the OP's religious view, but I suggest that if the OP has religious views that they consult their own metaphysical beliefs in order to best judge whether or not the euthanization of the cat is for the best.
 

tomtom94

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If pet euthanization is legal then assisted suicide should be legal as well. The idea behind it is the same.
Are we taking the lives of pets into our hands when we have no right to do so? Perhaps. However, we know pets can't express their desires to us (yet) and until they do we, as the dominant species, have the right to help them as we feel is necessary.
IMHO.
 

Eggsnham

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DeadlyYellow said:
Wait wait wait wait. They still kill people in prison? I thought they stopped that because it wasn't "humane" enough.

Personally I've been a practitioner of the 12 gauge method. If in animal is suffering that much I doubt it will care how it goes out.
Yeah, here in the states there are a few places which still kill inmates. Namely Texas.

Also, I'd probably be okay with the "12 Gauge method" as well if it didn't create such an unsightly mess.
 

Danzaivar

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I wish they'd do it to people, rather than pump 'em full of painkillers til their bodies give out. Sorry about your cat.
 

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My last dog was a rottweiler named Vicci. Vicci was a fantastic dog that was the biggest sweetheart that ever lived. She had pneumonia when she was 6 months old, so her growth was stunted. But doing CPR on a dog multiple times makes a very strong bond.

Just after Christmas, Vicci contracted a stomach disease that caused her to drop 30lbs in a week. We tried to help her, and keep her alive, and get her weight back up, but it was to no use.

So I took her and put her down gently, and it was one of the hardest things I've ever had to do.
 

Darkgoosey666

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First of all sorry to hear about your cat, it is always painful to lose a pet. my dog dudley was poisoned by cypriot twats in cold blood, cus thats what they do to dogs out here.

I think euthanasia is definitely the best option, you dont want your cat being in pain and not being able to live properly. Think of it like this- she is 15, thats a good life for a cat. surely its best to have 15 good years than, say, 15 good years plus 2 painful, disabled ones?

also i think its totally painless, from what if heard. But anyway even if it did would that be a reason not to go through with it? piggy could be in lots of pain, she would probably not mind a few seconds of mild pain if it meant relief.

sorry about piggy, she sounds cool.
 

Deadlock Radium

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If the animal is in pain, it is the most humane way to put it down.
Also, I love animals, so for example shooting them because they suffer is way too inhumane for me and also it doesn't get a dignified death.

To put it short, if the animal is in pain, I'd euthanisate is (Or however that is spelled) because it seems the most humane.
 

Mutie

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It's only fair... I remember when our cat, Kizzy, had to be put down. Me mum was torn apart; she'd had that cat longer than she'd been married to me Dad. But, at the end of the day, it's by human intervention that domestic animals live to these ages and are kept from death as long as they are; if an animal is suffering and you strive to keep it alive, even in great pain, the cat doesn't understand that. I hate to say it, but it's for the best.
 

natster43

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Sorry to hear that. I am personally for euthanasia if the animal or person is in horrible pain.
 

Enkidu88

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I work as a veterinary assistant, which means I often assist the doctors in euthanasia. Trust me, its completely painless for the animal, in fact the doctor will usually give a powerful sedative before hand so that the animal isn't even nervous. The most common euthanasia agent is a chemical called Sodium Pentobarbital, an anesthetic. We just give an overdose of it, the animal drifts off to sleep but never wakes up. I'm very sorry for your loss :(, but don't worry about the pain, she won't feel a thing.

Its in no way the same as lethal injection used on prisoners. The AVMA has stated that they would never use that kind of method on animals as it would never be humane. The reason its not painless for prisoners is that they have a bizarre method for killing them. First they give them a sedative, then a muscle relaxant and then a paralytic. Stops the heart and breathing but the sedative is probably not enough to send them off to sleep, and the paralytic basically stops them from complaining.