PETA does it again: Unhappy Meals!

[Lord George]

I don't understand what they are complaining about, cruelty is what makes the food taste so good.

Cows and chickens are to retarded to suffer.

Before anyone says otherwise, go meet a farm animal. They are fucking stupid.

Your saying we can torture retarded humans and that is fine because they are retarded and therefore can't suffer?

Humans taste bad.

In all seriousness, it seems like PETA is just upset that Macdonald's isn't using the PETA approved method of humanely killing the animals.

But they don't say much about the method that Macdonald's IS using. I'm pretty sure Macdonald's is humane enough with its food otherwise a real government agency would shut them down by now.

sigh i was going to argue with you but apparently you did not watch the video or maybe you didnt pay attention either way you have convinced me you are thick and argueing will have no effect

WoW that was rude and uncalled for.

And yes I failed to notice the video link, just read the article. My bad, but still.

So you are right, Macdonald's suppliers are unnecessarily cruel to those chickens.

But we are talking about an animal that can live for an hour without its head, thats how little it uses its brain.

so? is it alright to cut a dogs tail off because it doesnt use it much? no its not

thats a bad arguement

The difference is a chicken can barely feel it.

A chicken can live for an hour without its head? A chicken can barely feel it (pain)? What on earth are you talking about? A chicken dies after its head is chopped off. To say it doesn't is moronic. It can still run around because of nerves jolting in its body. Would you say a human can live after its head is chopped off? It can still excrement and grow hair.

Also, what on earth are you talking about that a chicken can barely feel it? I assume 'it' is pain, because I'm sure, with the same nervous system, they can feel it on a similar level. You have no feeling or care for battery hens or the crappy conditions they are put through. If it were a human it would be considered torture. Why is it different because the animal can't speak?

Didn't I already say I missed the vid, had just read it and admitted that the suppliers where unnecessarily cruel? Why are you still digging at me?

Oh well, I still maintain that chickens are stupid. As for my points, I am to tired to go into it much, but weather or not the animal could speak never factored into my argument.

i see so we can rip the organs out of sepa patients because "they will barely feel it"

No, human beings>>>>>>>>>>>>>chickens.

why?

give me one good reason why chickens arent as good as us

They can't fly. We can. They can't open doorhandles. We can.

Seriously the chicken has basically evolved to be tasty and defenceless, its like nature wants us to eat it, and who am I to argue with nature.

so you are saying its because nature seems to have it be that way?

well fine thats good enough lets stop making hearing aides for people who cant hear or fake limbs and hell lots not make a bionic heart because hey its almost as if nature inteaded for them to not have any of those things if they lost it.....right?

I get the feeling your using fringe logic here, if humans can evolve to a point where they can create tools then we should use these tools, if chickens are able to evolve to a point where they can fend us off then I'm fine with that and won't eat them again, but as it stands were designed to eat chickens and there designed to be eaten by us, chickens are then designed to eat grain, worms, bugs ect. Its called a food chain and it how nature balances out all species so we don't kill each other off. I hate how western society has become so decadent that people can choose what they eat and fight over silly issues like animal rights, when there are much more realistic and harmful issues happening.

 

[TikiShades]

I dont get into opinions on PETA

But I stopped eating McDonalds purely on thier treatment of animals about 5 years ago.

They are among the worst offenders on the planet.

Dude, just check out KFC. The workers there like to use chickens as soccer balls, and grind their beaks into wooden posts.

Bunch of stupid hicks.

Edit: Forgot to point out the fact that Billions of insects are killed by chemical Suffering every year. Insects arn't just as cute as bunnies I'm afraid.

And they can spawn constantly, keeping their numbers forever high. Oh, and they aren't as nearly as intelligent as an animal. Oh, and we kill them because they bother us. Do chickens bother you?

Seriously bro, your arguement is silly.

 

[DirkGently]

And what the hell do you mean that I can't build a plane or a gun? How do you know I'm not a skilled gunsmith? Or that I make planes for a living?

Because not one person builds a plane by them self, nor guns. Did you dig up the metal, meld it into shape, make the tools, make the electrical wires, etc, etc. Even a gunsmith can't make a gun outside society.

Thank you for ignoring the rest of my post where I outlined that modern society is the natural habitat for the modern man.

What exactly is your point? That if you take away just about everything that makes the modern man what he is, he'll be worse off than, say, a chicken? And what about this is surprising?

 

[ZZ-Tops89]

i agree chickens couldnt survive in the wild just like fresh water fish shouldnt be put into the dead sea

but that has nothing to do AT ALL with the original topic

It wasn't an explicit link, but I see the rationale. If the other side wins (chickens would survive) the logical conclusion is that humans are tampering with the natural selection mechanism. However, if domesticated chickens are a nonviable species in the wild then humans are simply exercising the role of a natural predator by eating them.

Also, presumably if the human rise to sentience and technological/planetary domination arose through pure chance rather than some genetic/evolutionary advantage, then it conceivably creates responsibilities to not further abuse the biosphere. However, if, as most agree, humanity arose to prominence due to some evolutionary advantage (opposable thumbs, intelligence, adaptability, etc.) then no such responsibility would exist since we're simply the apex species.

All of that said I think current farming and breeding practices are simply a necessity given the high human population coupled with the goal of not running out of food.

 

[PurpleRain]

And what the hell do you mean that I can't build a plane or a gun? How do you know I'm not a skilled gunsmith? Or that I make planes for a living?

Because not one person builds a plane by them self, nor guns. Did you dig up the metal, meld it into shape, make the tools, make the electrical wires, etc, etc. Even a gunsmith can't make a gun outside society.

Thank you for ignoring the rest of my post where I outlined that modern society is the natural habitat for the modern man.

What exactly is your point? That if you take away just about everything that makes the modern man what he is, he'll be worse off than, say, a chicken? And what about this is surprising?

Firstly, I didn't ignore your post, I just wanted to correct you on this one fact.
Secondly, you are right. That was my argument. Without society, we're fucked. We won't be in our natural habitat. Like the chicken.

Edit: Forgot to point out the fact that Billions of insects are killed by chemical Suffering every year. Insects arn't just as cute as bunnies I'm afraid.

And they can spawn constantly, keeping their numbers forever high. Oh, and they aren't as nearly as intelligent as an animal. Oh, and we kill them because they bother us. Do chickens bother you?

Seriously bro, your arguement is silly.

As well as the fact, I'm sure they don't have nerve endings. Well, at least ones that feel pain.

 

[lizards]

I don't understand what they are complaining about, cruelty is what makes the food taste so good.

Cows and chickens are to retarded to suffer.

Before anyone says otherwise, go meet a farm animal. They are fucking stupid.

Your saying we can torture retarded humans and that is fine because they are retarded and therefore can't suffer?

Humans taste bad.

In all seriousness, it seems like PETA is just upset that Macdonald's isn't using the PETA approved method of humanely killing the animals.

But they don't say much about the method that Macdonald's IS using. I'm pretty sure Macdonald's is humane enough with its food otherwise a real government agency would shut them down by now.

sigh i was going to argue with you but apparently you did not watch the video or maybe you didnt pay attention either way you have convinced me you are thick and argueing will have no effect

WoW that was rude and uncalled for.

And yes I failed to notice the video link, just read the article. My bad, but still.

So you are right, Macdonald's suppliers are unnecessarily cruel to those chickens.

But we are talking about an animal that can live for an hour without its head, thats how little it uses its brain.

so? is it alright to cut a dogs tail off because it doesnt use it much? no its not

thats a bad arguement

The difference is a chicken can barely feel it.

A chicken can live for an hour without its head? A chicken can barely feel it (pain)? What on earth are you talking about? A chicken dies after its head is chopped off. To say it doesn't is moronic. It can still run around because of nerves jolting in its body. Would you say a human can live after its head is chopped off? It can still excrement and grow hair.

Also, what on earth are you talking about that a chicken can barely feel it? I assume 'it' is pain, because I'm sure, with the same nervous system, they can feel it on a similar level. You have no feeling or care for battery hens or the crappy conditions they are put through. If it were a human it would be considered torture. Why is it different because the animal can't speak?

Didn't I already say I missed the vid, had just read it and admitted that the suppliers where unnecessarily cruel? Why are you still digging at me?

Oh well, I still maintain that chickens are stupid. As for my points, I am to tired to go into it much, but weather or not the animal could speak never factored into my argument.

i see so we can rip the organs out of sepa patients because "they will barely feel it"

No, human beings>>>>>>>>>>>>>chickens.

why?

give me one good reason why chickens arent as good as us

They can't fly. We can. They can't open doorhandles. We can.

Seriously the chicken has basically evolved to be tasty and defenceless, its like nature wants us to eat it, and who am I to argue with nature.

so you are saying its because nature seems to have it be that way?

well fine thats good enough lets stop making hearing aides for people who cant hear or fake limbs and hell lots not make a bionic heart because hey its almost as if nature inteaded for them to not have any of those things if they lost it.....right?

I get the feeling your using fringe logic here, if humans can evolve to a point where they can create tools then we should use these tools, if chickens are able to evolve to a point where they can fend us off then I'm fine with that and won't eat them again, but as it stands were designed to eat chickens and there designed to be eaten by us, chickens are then designed to eat grain, worms, bugs ect. Its called a food chain and it how nature balances out all species so we don't kill each other off. I hate how western society has become so decadent that people can choose what they eat and fight over silly issues like animal rights, when there are much more realistic and harmful issues happening.

no
chickens wont evolve you moron we have such genetic research and breeding practices to where that has no chance of happeneing and you cannot apply the food chain to us because were at the top and by definetion we should be eating tigers and bears as it stands were not and were rasising them on a farm food chain rules apply to wild animals not us eating chickens that are in a pen and have no chance of surviving at all even if they were to escape

and you hate that right? well silly all of us for believeing in something you dont we should all follow your lead because apparently you got all the answers

 

[Lord George]

I don't understand what they are complaining about, cruelty is what makes the food taste so good.

Cows and chickens are to retarded to suffer.

Before anyone says otherwise, go meet a farm animal. They are fucking stupid.

Your saying we can torture retarded humans and that is fine because they are retarded and therefore can't suffer?

Humans taste bad.

In all seriousness, it seems like PETA is just upset that Macdonald's isn't using the PETA approved method of humanely killing the animals.

But they don't say much about the method that Macdonald's IS using. I'm pretty sure Macdonald's is humane enough with its food otherwise a real government agency would shut them down by now.

sigh i was going to argue with you but apparently you did not watch the video or maybe you didnt pay attention either way you have convinced me you are thick and argueing will have no effect

WoW that was rude and uncalled for.

And yes I failed to notice the video link, just read the article. My bad, but still.

So you are right, Macdonald's suppliers are unnecessarily cruel to those chickens.

But we are talking about an animal that can live for an hour without its head, thats how little it uses its brain.

so? is it alright to cut a dogs tail off because it doesnt use it much? no its not

thats a bad arguement

The difference is a chicken can barely feel it.

A chicken can live for an hour without its head? A chicken can barely feel it (pain)? What on earth are you talking about? A chicken dies after its head is chopped off. To say it doesn't is moronic. It can still run around because of nerves jolting in its body. Would you say a human can live after its head is chopped off? It can still excrement and grow hair.

Also, what on earth are you talking about that a chicken can barely feel it? I assume 'it' is pain, because I'm sure, with the same nervous system, they can feel it on a similar level. You have no feeling or care for battery hens or the crappy conditions they are put through. If it were a human it would be considered torture. Why is it different because the animal can't speak?

Didn't I already say I missed the vid, had just read it and admitted that the suppliers where unnecessarily cruel? Why are you still digging at me?

Oh well, I still maintain that chickens are stupid. As for my points, I am to tired to go into it much, but weather or not the animal could speak never factored into my argument.

i see so we can rip the organs out of sepa patients because "they will barely feel it"

No, human beings>>>>>>>>>>>>>chickens.

why?

give me one good reason why chickens arent as good as us

They can't fly. We can. They can't open doorhandles. We can.

Seriously the chicken has basically evolved to be tasty and defenceless, its like nature wants us to eat it, and who am I to argue with nature.

so you are saying its because nature seems to have it be that way?

well fine thats good enough lets stop making hearing aides for people who cant hear or fake limbs and hell lots not make a bionic heart because hey its almost as if nature inteaded for them to not have any of those things if they lost it.....right?

I get the feeling your using fringe logic here, if humans can evolve to a point where they can create tools then we should use these tools, if chickens are able to evolve to a point where they can fend us off then I'm fine with that and won't eat them again, but as it stands were designed to eat chickens and there designed to be eaten by us, chickens are then designed to eat grain, worms, bugs ect. Its called a food chain and it how nature balances out all species so we don't kill each other off. I hate how western society has become so decadent that people can choose what they eat and fight over silly issues like animal rights, when there are much more realistic and harmful issues happening.

no
chickens wont evolve you moron we have such genetic research and breeding practices to where that has no chance of happeneing and you cannot apply the food chain to us because were at the top and by definetion we should be eating tigers and bears as it stands were not and were rasising them on a farm food chain rules apply to wild animals not us eating chickens that are in a pen and have no chance of surviving at all even if they were to escape

and you hate that right? well silly all of us for believeing in something you dont we should all follow your lead because apparently you got all the answers

Wow this is like talking to one of those Christian fundamentalists (the nutty ones, not the sensible ones) who ignores most of what you said, picks out the few points which they can make some form of argument against and ignores all the evidence in front of them.

1. I never said chickens would evolve and I have no idea where you got that from I said "if chickens are able to evolve" and was using it to support my argument that they have not evolved and that humans are the dominant species therfore we can eat whatever the hell we want oh and people do eat Bears and Tigers by the way, just not on a mass scale because they don't breed fast enough and there too hard to keep in captivity, but we could eat them if we wanted to which is why I was referring to the food chain. Oh yeah and since when are humans not animals? We are not better or worse then any other species on this planet and can d what we want.

The only part of your argument that makes sense is your last part and yes I do hate vegetarian naturalist hippies because they throw there rattle of there safe little world because they choose to devote there energy campaigning against stupid issues like animal rights when there are much bigger issues in the world, like starvation, famine and war which are killing millions of innocent people every day, yet people will still make a fuss about how we shouldn't eat meat because they don't really have much else to do while they lie in there safe little middle class western world where everything is perfect for them and yet they still have to moan and complain about it and about such small insignificant issues. It just really annoys me because of those reasons.

 

[lizards]

I don't understand what they are complaining about, cruelty is what makes the food taste so good.

Cows and chickens are to retarded to suffer.

Before anyone says otherwise, go meet a farm animal. They are fucking stupid.

Your saying we can torture retarded humans and that is fine because they are retarded and therefore can't suffer?

Humans taste bad.

In all seriousness, it seems like PETA is just upset that Macdonald's isn't using the PETA approved method of humanely killing the animals.

But they don't say much about the method that Macdonald's IS using. I'm pretty sure Macdonald's is humane enough with its food otherwise a real government agency would shut them down by now.

sigh i was going to argue with you but apparently you did not watch the video or maybe you didnt pay attention either way you have convinced me you are thick and argueing will have no effect

WoW that was rude and uncalled for.

And yes I failed to notice the video link, just read the article. My bad, but still.

So you are right, Macdonald's suppliers are unnecessarily cruel to those chickens.

But we are talking about an animal that can live for an hour without its head, thats how little it uses its brain.

so? is it alright to cut a dogs tail off because it doesnt use it much? no its not

thats a bad arguement

The difference is a chicken can barely feel it.

A chicken can live for an hour without its head? A chicken can barely feel it (pain)? What on earth are you talking about? A chicken dies after its head is chopped off. To say it doesn't is moronic. It can still run around because of nerves jolting in its body. Would you say a human can live after its head is chopped off? It can still excrement and grow hair.

Also, what on earth are you talking about that a chicken can barely feel it? I assume 'it' is pain, because I'm sure, with the same nervous system, they can feel it on a similar level. You have no feeling or care for battery hens or the crappy conditions they are put through. If it were a human it would be considered torture. Why is it different because the animal can't speak?

Didn't I already say I missed the vid, had just read it and admitted that the suppliers where unnecessarily cruel? Why are you still digging at me?

Oh well, I still maintain that chickens are stupid. As for my points, I am to tired to go into it much, but weather or not the animal could speak never factored into my argument.

i see so we can rip the organs out of sepa patients because "they will barely feel it"

No, human beings>>>>>>>>>>>>>chickens.

why?

give me one good reason why chickens arent as good as us

They can't fly. We can. They can't open doorhandles. We can.

Seriously the chicken has basically evolved to be tasty and defenceless, its like nature wants us to eat it, and who am I to argue with nature.

so you are saying its because nature seems to have it be that way?

well fine thats good enough lets stop making hearing aides for people who cant hear or fake limbs and hell lots not make a bionic heart because hey its almost as if nature inteaded for them to not have any of those things if they lost it.....right?

I get the feeling your using fringe logic here, if humans can evolve to a point where they can create tools then we should use these tools, if chickens are able to evolve to a point where they can fend us off then I'm fine with that and won't eat them again, but as it stands were designed to eat chickens and there designed to be eaten by us, chickens are then designed to eat grain, worms, bugs ect. Its called a food chain and it how nature balances out all species so we don't kill each other off. I hate how western society has become so decadent that people can choose what they eat and fight over silly issues like animal rights, when there are much more realistic and harmful issues happening.

no
chickens wont evolve you moron we have such genetic research and breeding practices to where that has no chance of happeneing and you cannot apply the food chain to us because were at the top and by definetion we should be eating tigers and bears as it stands were not and were rasising them on a farm food chain rules apply to wild animals not us eating chickens that are in a pen and have no chance of surviving at all even if they were to escape

and you hate that right? well silly all of us for believeing in something you dont we should all follow your lead because apparently you got all the answers

Wow this is like talking to one of those Christian fundamentalists (the nutty ones, not the sensible ones) who ignores most of what you said, picks out the few points which they can make some form of argument against and ignores all the evidence in front of them.

1. I never said chickens would evolve and I have no idea where you got that from I said "if chickens are able to evolve" and was using it to support my argument that they have not evolved and that humans are the dominant species therfore we can eat whatever the hell we want oh and people do eat Bears and Tigers by the way, just not on a mass scale because they don't breed fast enough and there too hard to keep in captivity, but we could eat them if we wanted to which is why I was referring to the food chain. Oh yeah and since when are humans not animals? We are not better or worse then any other species on this planet and can d what we want.

The only part of your argument that makes sense is your last part and yes I do hate vegetarian naturalist hippies because they throw there rattle of there safe little world because they choose to devote there energy campaigning against stupid issues like animal rights when there are much bigger issues in the world, like starvation, famine and war which are killing millions of innocent people every day, yet people will still make a fuss about how we shouldn't eat meat because they don't really have much else to do while they lie in there safe little middle class western world where everything is perfect for them and yet they still have to moan and complain about it and about such small insignificant issues. It just really annoys me because of those reasons.

wow the hypocrisy is so thick i can taste in this response

so aside from what i did pick apart what did you say otherwise? because im reading this and that was about the only point that you made

and this isnt the wild you moron you cant apply those things to this we arent out in the forest looking for something to eat were keep animals in small environments feeding them and houseing them intill we kill them maybe your right about the not eating bears i dont know if just never seen bear on the menu while im ordering CHICKEN and we are animals and were not the same as animals the second that we started making guns swords and things that kill eachother for no reason and also making medicine and trying to solve the worlds problems we became not the same as animals and yes im ignoreing the first part because apparently you need less to read on this and more time to read over what you posted

and as to your whole hate rant: im not a vegatarian and so be your logic cancer is not as important to solve as trying to stop war? what about AIDS in africa is that more or less important than child abuse? if you are going to compartimentlize than come up with a list otherwise you cant say that animal rights are less important than anything else

and also do you know the reason why war starvation (famine fits under the same category which you apparently dont know) isnt important to some of us because they are caused by humans overpopulating fighting all things brought on by humans animals have done nothing at all to be starved malnutrioned and slaughtered in the ways that we do and you would see it on national news if someone did do this to a human

edit: look at this http://www.peta.org/cak/ this isnt the food chain you so love and im willing to bet any amount of money that this does not happen out in the wild

 

[lizards]

I dont get into opinions on PETA

But I stopped eating McDonalds purely on thier treatment of animals about 5 years ago.

They are among the worst offenders on the planet.

Dude, just check out KFC. The workers there like to use chickens as soccer balls, and grind their beaks into wooden posts.

Bunch of stupid hicks.

Edit: Forgot to point out the fact that Billions of insects are killed by chemical Suffering every year. Insects arn't just as cute as bunnies I'm afraid.

And they can spawn constantly, keeping their numbers forever high. Oh, and they aren't as nearly as intelligent as an animal. Oh, and we kill them because they bother us. Do chickens bother you?

Seriously bro, your arguement is silly.

you relize that were not keeping the insects in houses, feeding them, and trying to keep them healthy though.....right?

its not the same

 

[lizards]

I dont get into opinions on PETA

But I stopped eating McDonalds purely on thier treatment of animals about 5 years ago.

They are among the worst offenders on the planet.

Dude, just check out KFC. The workers there like to use chickens as soccer balls, and grind their beaks into wooden posts.

Bunch of stupid hicks.

Edit: Forgot to point out the fact that Billions of insects are killed by chemical Suffering every year. Insects arn't just as cute as bunnies I'm afraid.

And they can spawn constantly, keeping their numbers forever high. Oh, and they aren't as nearly as intelligent as an animal. Oh, and we kill them because they bother us. Do chickens bother you?

Seriously bro, your arguement is silly.

well i see no way that the first part could piss someone off

anybody see anything?

 

[lizards]

i agree chickens couldnt survive in the wild just like fresh water fish shouldnt be put into the dead sea

but that has nothing to do AT ALL with the original topic

It wasn't an explicit link, but I see the rationale. If the other side wins (chickens would survive) the logical conclusion is that humans are tampering with the natural selection mechanism. However, if domesticated chickens are a nonviable species in the wild then humans are simply exercising the role of a natural predator by eating them.

Also, presumably if the human rise to sentience and technological/planetary domination arose through pure chance rather than some genetic/evolutionary advantage, then it conceivably creates responsibilities to not further abuse the biosphere. However, if, as most agree, humanity arose to prominence due to some evolutionary advantage (opposable thumbs, intelligence, adaptability, etc.) then no such responsibility would exist since we're simply the apex species.

All of that said I think current farming and breeding practices are simply a necessity given the high human population coupled with the goal of not running out of food.

well yes but as i said earlier this is not the wild and thoes rules do not matter here we are not out in the forest looking for some chickens were breeding raiseing then killing them

and it doenst matter whether we are by chance or what because we are the only species that can control such things if we are intelligent enough to know we shouldnt then it is our responsibility to not

back in ancient europe and such places when food became scarce then the population went down due to that shortage now most people will disagree even the people who work for peta problay

that needs to happen again we cannot let the world keep spiraling out of control due to overpopulation as it is now this is not only a "things should change" arguement but also "things need to change" we are eventually going to destroy this earth not by nuclear war or a genetic virus made by us but because of the population we are going to exhaust everything on this planet if we dont stop this ever increaseing population and then due to that wars will erupt and we will kill eachother and those who survive that will only have a majorly polluted earth with most places not even being habitable but also strange animals that will knock us off our apex because radiation and adaption will take place in something and something is more than likly to be more changed and adapted to this exhausted world than we would

 

[Lord George]

I don't understand what they are complaining about, cruelty is what makes the food taste so good.

Cows and chickens are to retarded to suffer.

Before anyone says otherwise, go meet a farm animal. They are fucking stupid.

Your saying we can torture retarded humans and that is fine because they are retarded and therefore can't suffer?

Humans taste bad.

In all seriousness, it seems like PETA is just upset that Macdonald's isn't using the PETA approved method of humanely killing the animals.

But they don't say much about the method that Macdonald's IS using. I'm pretty sure Macdonald's is humane enough with its food otherwise a real government agency would shut them down by now.

sigh i was going to argue with you but apparently you did not watch the video or maybe you didnt pay attention either way you have convinced me you are thick and argueing will have no effect

WoW that was rude and uncalled for.

And yes I failed to notice the video link, just read the article. My bad, but still.

So you are right, Macdonald's suppliers are unnecessarily cruel to those chickens.

But we are talking about an animal that can live for an hour without its head, thats how little it uses its brain.

so? is it alright to cut a dogs tail off because it doesnt use it much? no its not

thats a bad arguement

The difference is a chicken can barely feel it.

A chicken can live for an hour without its head? A chicken can barely feel it (pain)? What on earth are you talking about? A chicken dies after its head is chopped off. To say it doesn't is moronic. It can still run around because of nerves jolting in its body. Would you say a human can live after its head is chopped off? It can still excrement and grow hair.

Also, what on earth are you talking about that a chicken can barely feel it? I assume 'it' is pain, because I'm sure, with the same nervous system, they can feel it on a similar level. You have no feeling or care for battery hens or the crappy conditions they are put through. If it were a human it would be considered torture. Why is it different because the animal can't speak?

Didn't I already say I missed the vid, had just read it and admitted that the suppliers where unnecessarily cruel? Why are you still digging at me?

Oh well, I still maintain that chickens are stupid. As for my points, I am to tired to go into it much, but weather or not the animal could speak never factored into my argument.

i see so we can rip the organs out of sepa patients because "they will barely feel it"

No, human beings>>>>>>>>>>>>>chickens.

why?

give me one good reason why chickens arent as good as us

They can't fly. We can. They can't open doorhandles. We can.

Seriously the chicken has basically evolved to be tasty and defenceless, its like nature wants us to eat it, and who am I to argue with nature.

so you are saying its because nature seems to have it be that way?

well fine thats good enough lets stop making hearing aides for people who cant hear or fake limbs and hell lots not make a bionic heart because hey its almost as if nature inteaded for them to not have any of those things if they lost it.....right?

I get the feeling your using fringe logic here, if humans can evolve to a point where they can create tools then we should use these tools, if chickens are able to evolve to a point where they can fend us off then I'm fine with that and won't eat them again, but as it stands were designed to eat chickens and there designed to be eaten by us, chickens are then designed to eat grain, worms, bugs ect. Its called a food chain and it how nature balances out all species so we don't kill each other off. I hate how western society has become so decadent that people can choose what they eat and fight over silly issues like animal rights, when there are much more realistic and harmful issues happening.

no
chickens wont evolve you moron we have such genetic research and breeding practices to where that has no chance of happeneing and you cannot apply the food chain to us because were at the top and by definetion we should be eating tigers and bears as it stands were not and were rasising them on a farm food chain rules apply to wild animals not us eating chickens that are in a pen and have no chance of surviving at all even if they were to escape

and you hate that right? well silly all of us for believeing in something you dont we should all follow your lead because apparently you got all the answers

Wow this is like talking to one of those Christian fundamentalists (the nutty ones, not the sensible ones) who ignores most of what you said, picks out the few points which they can make some form of argument against and ignores all the evidence in front of them.

1. I never said chickens would evolve and I have no idea where you got that from I said "if chickens are able to evolve" and was using it to support my argument that they have not evolved and that humans are the dominant species therfore we can eat whatever the hell we want oh and people do eat Bears and Tigers by the way, just not on a mass scale because they don't breed fast enough and there too hard to keep in captivity, but we could eat them if we wanted to which is why I was referring to the food chain. Oh yeah and since when are humans not animals? We are not better or worse then any other species on this planet and can d what we want.

The only part of your argument that makes sense is your last part and yes I do hate vegetarian naturalist hippies because they throw there rattle of there safe little world because they choose to devote there energy campaigning against stupid issues like animal rights when there are much bigger issues in the world, like starvation, famine and war which are killing millions of innocent people every day, yet people will still make a fuss about how we shouldn't eat meat because they don't really have much else to do while they lie in there safe little middle class western world where everything is perfect for them and yet they still have to moan and complain about it and about such small insignificant issues. It just really annoys me because of those reasons.

wow the hypocrisy is so thick i can taste in this response

so aside from what i did pick apart what did you say otherwise? because im reading this and that was about the only point that you made

and this isnt the wild you moron you cant apply those things to this we arent out in the forest looking for something to eat were keep animals in small environments feeding them and houseing them intill we kill them maybe your right about the not eating bears i dont know if just never seen bear on the menu while im ordering CHICKEN and we are animals and were not the same as animals the second that we started making guns swords and things that kill eachother for no reason and also making medicine and trying to solve the worlds problems we became not the same as animals and yes im ignoreing the first part because apparently you need less to read on this and more time to read over what you posted

and as to your whole hate rant: im not a vegatarian and so be your logic cancer is not as important to solve as trying to stop war? what about AIDS in africa is that more or less important than child abuse? if you are going to compartimentlize than come up with a list otherwise you cant say that animal rights are less important than anything else

and also do you know the reason why war starvation (famine fits under the same category which you apparently dont know) isnt important to some of us because they are caused by humans overpopulating fighting all things brought on by humans animals have done nothing at all to be starved malnutrioned and slaughtered in the ways that we do and you would see it on national news if someone did do this to a human

I'm now completely unsure on what were arguing about it seems to have turned from a discussion about if animal rights are actually important into some form of if humans are animals and why we should all die off to save chickens, but since you ask for a list here's how I'd class the world problems

Famine
Disease (AIDS, Malaria, Cancer)
War
Human Rights
Living quality and standards
Lack of high quality medicinal technology
Discrimination (through race, religion, class ect)
Unjust distribution of political power and wealth
Lack of freedom
Religious problems
Bad economic structure (keeping the wealth centralised in the hands of a few)
Bad political structure (Keeping the power centralised in certain groups)
Dependency on fossils fuels and usable energy sources
Western Decadence.
Human's weak lifespan
Advanced weapons (Nukes, biological weapons ect.)
Lack of dinasours I can ride
The need for Rocket boots
Lack of ability to live forever.
Lack of ability to create life
Creating faster breeding and tastier animals.
If my boots will last for another month or if I should buy some new ones.
Me not being rich
Animal rights


I think people care about animals to try and distract themselves from the issues of humankind, most animals don't give a shit if you live or die and many would kill you given the chance. Oh and overpopulation is a load of crap, we are never going to be overpopulated for any long length of time because nature will always balance things out, i.e if there is too little food for the amount of humans then humans will keep dying until population levels return to an acceptable norm, oh and animals do in fact engage in slaughter upon each other, just look at ants who wage giant wars and horrible slaughter and torture of each other (such as implanting there eggs into the enemys eggs causing there young to borth forth and eat out the enemys young from the inside, nasty) and dolphins (who rape/torture and slaughter both each other and humans) I'm sure I could find more examples if I had the time but I'm quite tired and can't be bothered (oh yes and could you please refrain from personal attacks or insults, I'm fine for debating but there's no reason to start calling people names, that just stinks of an unskilled debater, thanks.)

 

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I don't understand what they are complaining about, cruelty is what makes the food taste so good.

Cows and chickens are to retarded to suffer.

Before anyone says otherwise, go meet a farm animal. They are fucking stupid.

Your saying we can torture retarded humans and that is fine because they are retarded and therefore can't suffer?

Humans taste bad.

In all seriousness, it seems like PETA is just upset that Macdonald's isn't using the PETA approved method of humanely killing the animals.

But they don't say much about the method that Macdonald's IS using. I'm pretty sure Macdonald's is humane enough with its food otherwise a real government agency would shut them down by now.

sigh i was going to argue with you but apparently you did not watch the video or maybe you didnt pay attention either way you have convinced me you are thick and argueing will have no effect

WoW that was rude and uncalled for.

And yes I failed to notice the video link, just read the article. My bad, but still.

So you are right, Macdonald's suppliers are unnecessarily cruel to those chickens.

But we are talking about an animal that can live for an hour without its head, thats how little it uses its brain.

so? is it alright to cut a dogs tail off because it doesnt use it much? no its not

thats a bad arguement

The difference is a chicken can barely feel it.

A chicken can live for an hour without its head? A chicken can barely feel it (pain)? What on earth are you talking about? A chicken dies after its head is chopped off. To say it doesn't is moronic. It can still run around because of nerves jolting in its body. Would you say a human can live after its head is chopped off? It can still excrement and grow hair.

Also, what on earth are you talking about that a chicken can barely feel it? I assume 'it' is pain, because I'm sure, with the same nervous system, they can feel it on a similar level. You have no feeling or care for battery hens or the crappy conditions they are put through. If it were a human it would be considered torture. Why is it different because the animal can't speak?

Didn't I already say I missed the vid, had just read it and admitted that the suppliers where unnecessarily cruel? Why are you still digging at me?

Oh well, I still maintain that chickens are stupid. As for my points, I am to tired to go into it much, but weather or not the animal could speak never factored into my argument.

i see so we can rip the organs out of sepa patients because "they will barely feel it"

No, human beings>>>>>>>>>>>>>chickens.

why?

give me one good reason why chickens arent as good as us

They can't fly. We can. They can't open doorhandles. We can.

Seriously the chicken has basically evolved to be tasty and defenceless, its like nature wants us to eat it, and who am I to argue with nature.

so you are saying its because nature seems to have it be that way?

well fine thats good enough lets stop making hearing aides for people who cant hear or fake limbs and hell lots not make a bionic heart because hey its almost as if nature inteaded for them to not have any of those things if they lost it.....right?

I get the feeling your using fringe logic here, if humans can evolve to a point where they can create tools then we should use these tools, if chickens are able to evolve to a point where they can fend us off then I'm fine with that and won't eat them again, but as it stands were designed to eat chickens and there designed to be eaten by us, chickens are then designed to eat grain, worms, bugs ect. Its called a food chain and it how nature balances out all species so we don't kill each other off. I hate how western society has become so decadent that people can choose what they eat and fight over silly issues like animal rights, when there are much more realistic and harmful issues happening.

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chickens wont evolve you moron we have such genetic research and breeding practices to where that has no chance of happeneing and you cannot apply the food chain to us because were at the top and by definetion we should be eating tigers and bears as it stands were not and were rasising them on a farm food chain rules apply to wild animals not us eating chickens that are in a pen and have no chance of surviving at all even if they were to escape

and you hate that right? well silly all of us for believeing in something you dont we should all follow your lead because apparently you got all the answers

Wow this is like talking to one of those Christian fundamentalists (the nutty ones, not the sensible ones) who ignores most of what you said, picks out the few points which they can make some form of argument against and ignores all the evidence in front of them.

1. I never said chickens would evolve and I have no idea where you got that from I said "if chickens are able to evolve" and was using it to support my argument that they have not evolved and that humans are the dominant species therfore we can eat whatever the hell we want oh and people do eat Bears and Tigers by the way, just not on a mass scale because they don't breed fast enough and there too hard to keep in captivity, but we could eat them if we wanted to which is why I was referring to the food chain. Oh yeah and since when are humans not animals? We are not better or worse then any other species on this planet and can d what we want.

The only part of your argument that makes sense is your last part and yes I do hate vegetarian naturalist hippies because they throw there rattle of there safe little world because they choose to devote there energy campaigning against stupid issues like animal rights when there are much bigger issues in the world, like starvation, famine and war which are killing millions of innocent people every day, yet people will still make a fuss about how we shouldn't eat meat because they don't really have much else to do while they lie in there safe little middle class western world where everything is perfect for them and yet they still have to moan and complain about it and about such small insignificant issues. It just really annoys me because of those reasons.

wow the hypocrisy is so thick i can taste in this response

so aside from what i did pick apart what did you say otherwise? because im reading this and that was about the only point that you made

and this isnt the wild you moron you cant apply those things to this we arent out in the forest looking for something to eat were keep animals in small environments feeding them and houseing them intill we kill them maybe your right about the not eating bears i dont know if just never seen bear on the menu while im ordering CHICKEN and we are animals and were not the same as animals the second that we started making guns swords and things that kill eachother for no reason and also making medicine and trying to solve the worlds problems we became not the same as animals and yes im ignoreing the first part because apparently you need less to read on this and more time to read over what you posted

and as to your whole hate rant: im not a vegatarian and so be your logic cancer is not as important to solve as trying to stop war? what about AIDS in africa is that more or less important than child abuse? if you are going to compartimentlize than come up with a list otherwise you cant say that animal rights are less important than anything else

and also do you know the reason why war starvation (famine fits under the same category which you apparently dont know) isnt important to some of us because they are caused by humans overpopulating fighting all things brought on by humans animals have done nothing at all to be starved malnutrioned and slaughtered in the ways that we do and you would see it on national news if someone did do this to a human

I'm now completely unsure on what were arguing about it seems to have turned from a discussion about if animal rights are actually important into some form of if humans are animals and why we should all die off to save chickens, but since you ask for a list here's how I'd class the world problems

Famine
Disease (AIDS, Malaria, Cancer)
War
Human Rights
Living quality and standards
Lack of high quality medicinal technology
Discrimination (through race, religion, class ect)
Unjust distribution of political power and wealth
Lack of freedom
Religious problems
Bad economic structure (keeping the wealth centralised in the hands of a few)
Bad political structure (Keeping the power centralised in certain groups)
Dependency on fossils fuels and usable energy sources
Western Decadence.
Human's weak lifespan
Advanced weapons (Nukes, biological weapons ect.)
Lack of dinasours I can ride
The need for Rocket boots
Lack of ability to live forever.
Lack of ability to create life
Creating faster breeding and tastier animals.
If my boots will last for another month or if I should buy some new ones.
Me not being rich
Animal rights


I think people care about animals to try and distract themselves from the issues of humankind, most animals don't give a shit if you live or die and many would kill you given the chance. Oh and overpopulation is a load of crap, we are never going to be overpopulated for any long length of time because nature will always balance things out, i.e if there is too little food for the amount of humans then humans will keep dying until population levels return to an acceptable norm, oh and animals do in fact engage in slaughter upon each other, just look at ants who wage giant wars and horrible slaughter and torture of each other (such as implanting there eggs into the enemys eggs causing there young to borth forth and eat out the enemys young from the inside, nasty) and dolphins (who rape/torture and slaughter both each other and humans) I'm sure I could find more examples if I had the time but I'm quite tired and can't be bothered (oh yes and could you please refrain from personal attacks or insults, I'm fine for debating but there's no reason to start calling people names, that just stinks of an unskilled debater, thanks.)

"Wow this is like talking to one of those Christian fundamentalists (the nutty ones, not the sensible ones) who ignores most of what you said, picks out the few points which they can make some form of argument against and ignores all the evidence in front of them." in exact words and i know because i copied pasted from your post

hypocrisy good word to desribe you

on topic: what about pollution in China? or the rape and torture of girls in Africa? you can go on and on about that but that just makes my point better "god forbid someone not believe what you do" while that isnt an exact quote it was said earlier and this only proves this because if you are so concerned about animal rights than your a retard because according to your chart then famine should be EVERYBODYS concern but wait....what about global warming? well everyone who believes in anything else is now a moron

you cant just say "animals rights is less important than child abuse" because then you are saying that some peoples suffering is more deserving of of attention than others suffering

and i also have a theory: people who dont care about animals just dont care about anything and only get off by saying that everyone else is stupid

and are you fucking stupid? (yes that is called for) have you ever looked at a chart of the population their is already massive overcrowding in places and yet the population keeps on going up

assumptions based on nothing and studys prove them wrong: the signs of a morbidly egotisic

edit: and while you are either kidding or show me some proof about the dolphins but about ants: would you like to know why they do that? to claim territoy of to defend it not because you are a different religion than the other or because they have dreams of ruling the world