I take issue with this viewpoint, purely on the basis that the technical skill required for the operation and placement of lighting, the usage of (physical) filters such as CPLs, NDs and grads, the correct settings required for aperture, shutter speed, timing, iso, types of film and lens renderings of scenes are un-appreciable by anyone who doesn't have the expertise and artistic flare for their usage. That is all based upon pre-processing concerns. The skill involved further in both digital and analog darkroom processing is arguably based completely upon artistic style and again technical ability.Signa said:I'm not going to try to say that photography isn't art, but it is pretty low-value as an artform. It takes little effort to produce (which isn't a disqualifier by itself), and anyone can do it with almost no skill. Much of it is instantly reproducible by another photographer (artist) if they are viewing the same scene with the same equipment, to the point where it could be impossible to detect a forgery or copycat artist.
As a person who's actual profession is photography I came here to say pretty much the same thing. Granted I've met a few film snobs in my day who say any use of a digital SLR is debasing the artform but those are few and far between and easy enough to ignore if you want to.Knight Captain Kerr said:Of course photography is art. I'm actually somewhat surprised to find people disputing this.
Oh, I know it's more than point and shoot. My point is that you can point and shoot, and get really close results most of the time. No one can point and shoot a copy of The Mona Lisa, and it takes a great amount of effort to even make a convincing copy of it. Counterstatments like "Saying anyone can do it with almost no skill is tantamount to saying that anyone could paint a Vermeer with the same brushes and paint he used. It simply isn't true," isn't at all what I was saying. In fact, that's why I said what I did: Other arts require more than just the tools to reproduce convincingly.jamtea said:I take issue with this viewpoint, purely on the basis that the technical skill required for the operation and placement of lighting, the usage of (physical) filters such as CPLs, NDs and grads, the correct settings required for aperture, shutter speed, timing, iso, types of film and lens renderings of scenes are un-appreciable by anyone who doesn't have the expertise and artistic flare for their usage. That is all based upon pre-processing concerns. The skill involved further in both digital and analog darkroom processing is arguably based completely upon artistic style and again technical ability.Signa said:I'm not going to try to say that photography isn't art, but it is pretty low-value as an artform. It takes little effort to produce (which isn't a disqualifier by itself), and anyone can do it with almost no skill. Much of it is instantly reproducible by another photographer (artist) if they are viewing the same scene with the same equipment, to the point where it could be impossible to detect a forgery or copycat artist.
Saying anyone can do it with almost no skill is tantamount to saying that anyone could paint a Vermeer with the same brushes and paint he used. It simply isn't true.
The fact is that there are many artists who operate in a medium of low technical skill requiring simply analogue materials such as a pencil and paper who do not have the ability to reproduce art in a medium requiring a high technical skill such as photography. This might create the illusion that because an artist cannot perform in one medium, that medium has no artistic merits. This would be quite a fallacious viewpoint in my opinion.
(I'm not arguing with you just reiterating)Rowan93 said:Photography is art, but in this 21st century when everyone owns a camera and therefore most camera-owners know nothing or next-to-nothing about photography, there's a whole shit-ton of "art" that's either truly atrocious or simply not art at all, depending on your definitions.
He doesn't like it, he thinks it's cliche, fair enough... will he go on to explain why it's cliche I wonder?The $6.5m canyon: it's the most expensive photograph ever ? but it's like a hackneyed poster in a posh hotel
Slammed headfirst into that roadblock, oh god the pain!Photography is not an art. It is a technology. We have no excuse to ignore this obvious fact in the age of digital cameras, when the most beguiling high-definition images and effects are available to millions. My iPad can take panoramic views that are gorgeous to look at. Does that make me an artist? No, it just makes my tablet one hell of a device.
It has always been art, look up Jerry UelsmannIn our world where money talks, the absurd inflated price that has been paid by some fool for this ?fine art photograph? will be hailed as proof that photography has arrived as art.
People will pay for what they want for the reasons they want to, it's not your job to dictate how they spend their money Mr. Jones.Someone has been very foolish with their money, mistaking the picturesque for high art.
Well, there are two views of what art means. And one group is complaining exactly of what your group is saying. If it wasn't clear I'm in "work of art" group (art as a badge of excellence).K-lusive said:The way I see it, all that's needed is for someone somewhere to consider it art for it to be art. The creator, his/her intent, the piece's quality and its selling price are ultimately of no concern if someone finds their emotions tickled.
Why did you miss pointing out this part?:Eclipse Dragon said:He doesn't like it, he thinks it's cliche, fair enough... will he go on to explain why it's cliche I wonder?
Yeah, no - what was said there is incorrect. Yes, the shaft of light is a natural phenomenon, and yes, you can find lots of photos of it. But no, the shaft of light is not the titular phantom. Frankly, how the hell did he reach that conclusion? I mean, assuming no clickbaiting. And I'll also go it's not a work of an absolute genius and is supposed to be ironic and yadda, yadda, yadda because it's much too dumb to be either. So with these assumptions stated, how does one claim the light is the titular phantom and not, you know, the humanoid looking smoke (or dust?) inside the shaft of light?The monochrome detailing of the canyon is sculptural enough, and a shaft of sunlight penetrating its depths becomes the phantom of the title. Yet, in fact, this downward stream of light is simply a natural aspect of Antelope Canyon. Look it up online and you will find a vast range of photographs that all show the same feature [http://csmpics.com/?page_id=94].
In that case, neither is painting. Unless you want to argue Leonardo painted the Mona Lisa out of thin air, instead of being the portrait of someone sitting in front of him...spartan231490 said:Photography is not art. It is not an act of creation, it is an act of capture, or at best, interpretation. Neither is art.