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I've done the quest in the subject, I understand the reference completely, I also get how you can create characters to fill out your party with the game - and it still isn't funny.

Had a good setup and it fell flat with the gamer arguing with a construct of his own design?
 

RedDeadFred

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you know, every time i check the comments on this webcomic, i see the same trolls crying "too many words - this sucks" and "i don't get it - this sucks"

Quit clicking the dang links, idiots.

I'm sorry for you that your mental abilities barely cover tying your shoes. I weep for the future of mankind that has such lazy, stupid, ignorant individuals in it. To quote Handy, "Read a book, you're makin' us look stupid!"

The jokes are funny, there is a punchline, if there's too many words and it makes your brain hurt to understand things beyond "poop - fart - dick" go back to your mindless video games and porno-flash-toons and just STFU already.

If the humor is too high-brow for you, quit coming back. You don't need to tell us, we already know you're too dumb to get it. No need to remind us, TRUST US we know you are there.
What a first post! Welcome to the Escapist, stay out of the basement. Do make an effort to read the rules, sir or madam.

OT: The comics aren't too intelligent or too subtle, they're just not very funny (for several of us anyway). Maybe some people didn't get the reference with this one since it's a relatively new game. An intelligent comic strip, with subtlety would be Calvin and Hobbs (as has already been mentioned). I find it very hard to believe that the problem with this strip is that the people who enjoy Calvin and Hobbs are too stupid to get Williams'jokes.
 

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RedDeadFred said:
justmyopinion said:
you know, every time i check the comments on this webcomic, i see the same trolls crying "too many words - this sucks" and "i don't get it - this sucks"

Quit clicking the dang links, idiots.

I'm sorry for you that your mental abilities barely cover tying your shoes. I weep for the future of mankind that has such lazy, stupid, ignorant individuals in it. To quote Handy, "Read a book, you're makin' us look stupid!"

The jokes are funny, there is a punchline, if there's too many words and it makes your brain hurt to understand things beyond "poop - fart - dick" go back to your mindless video games and porno-flash-toons and just STFU already.

If the humor is too high-brow for you, quit coming back. You don't need to tell us, we already know you're too dumb to get it. No need to remind us, TRUST US we know you are there.
What a first post! Welcome to the Escapist, stay out of the basement. Do make an effort to read the rules, sir or madam.

OT: The comics aren't too intelligent or too subtle, they're just not very funny (for several of us anyway). Maybe some people didn't get the reference with this one since it's a relatively new game. An intelligent comic strip, with subtlety would be Calvin and Hobbs (as has already been mentioned). I find it very hard to believe that the problem with this strip is that the people who enjoy Calvin and Hobbs are too stupid to get Williams'jokes.
I enjoyed this strip which is the 2nd I've seen of these guys, and I was planning to skim over it just like I do critical miss, and I had no idea what was going on, so I had to go back and read it for comprehension, and thought it was great. We need more comics like these imo.
 

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I'm just here to read the comments. XD
Glad to see I'm not the only one. I might have felt bad for enjoying the fallout every time these guys make a comic if I was the only one.
 

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For several weeks its been bothering me about what this comic series reminds me of... And it just clicked!

Guys! Girls! Is it just me or is this an even more unfunny version of game dogs?! I mean, its even worse! And i didnt even think that was possible! The same flat dialogue, comics that have no punchline and are just mind numbingly dull!

Capatcha: mumbo jumbo

Could not have said it better myself!
 

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This is the first comic I've read of the strip. I clicked on it because I thought it was going to be about the censorship in PoE, which is a topic that interests me right now.

I can't say I hated it as much as all the other complainers, but it wasn't that good. I thought it was pulling some abortion joke, and then just meandered away to something else about game mechanics? Maybe playing PoE would change that perception, but this was still a pretty poorly delivered comic. I didn't even see a punchline.
 

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I dunno. It took me a second to get it, and I didn't laugh out loud or anything, but I thought this one was pretty neat...
 

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So, I've chuckled at some of the earlier ones (the one from Besiege comes to mind), but this one just felt...off. It seemed like it came from the desire to make a comic for the new game, not make a comic because it was funny or interesting. I don't mind text walls, I mean
is one my favorite PA Strips - but they text is used for a point of ridiculousness, and makes sense for Tycho to talk that much. It also helps that in instances where characters are playing a game, most strips like Penny Arcade or Critical Miss will put the main strip's character's face or features on the video game avatar. I have no idea who the speaking character is in today's strip, so I have nothing to compare their behavior to. I assume they're one of the "real world" characters from before, but the full armor and helmet means I can't assume who it is.

I'm okay with comics using games for punchlines, but the strip should still make some form of sense when the reader hasn't played the game. This strip just seems clunky - what is that elixir? Why are you bringing up new elements (Baldur's Gate II, another character who knows they're in a game) at the end of the strip instead of a punchline continuing from the earlier panel?
Using another PA example:
I've never played Rainbow Six: Black Arrow, but the visual is goofy, I can tell there's a problem with the game's hit detection, and the punchline has a nice dry humorous tone. It was a comic strip about games that didn't require the player to have spent hours playing to get the joke.

The X-Files strip last time was another strip I chuckled at, even as someone who hasn't finished X-Files. The joke made sense, the premise (A rebooted series) was established early, and there was enough text to explain without over wording the situation. It was a nice, contained strip. This one starts with "already in progress," (which isn't needed, and could have remained only in the title), and just had an adventurer returning the quest item. Here, the joke just doesn't make sense - I got hung up on the elixir name, which caused me to over read every other part of the comic looking for an explanation. The Player Character idea is interesting, but we've established that THE PC is explaining the upsides of being a player character. Why would there be a second player character in a single player RPG? How would saying "don't' worry, someone else will control your child's every action" be of a comfort?

I think it could have worked much better if the Knight only said "Don't worry, I don't have a soul, and look how I turned out," followed by the mother's statement and the follower's (sort of out of place) question, with the knight's response as the punchline.

I don't know how many strips you've written - I'm only going off of what I see here. And I see a reliance on verbosity that cuts off the punchline or undermines it with poor pacing. The art's pretty good - let that carry some of the writing. It's a comic strip, not a text adventure.

EDIT: Reading above comments I've realized that some party members can be created by the player to flesh out the grouping - giving multiple PCs in a single player RPG. That said, for an element that the comic relies on so heavily, that should have been better explaining in the context of the joke (such as with the X-Files where the characters discuss the reboot).
 

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Whoa, first page of comments and three users got warning? Talk about flying of the handle!

OT:
I found the joke kinda funny. Not Critical Miss or IAMARG funny, but still funny enough to make me giggle. And it's not like those aforementioned comics poop gold on every issue either.

True, there is a bit too much text in comparison to art - characters and text split the panels almost 50/50, while being closer to 75/25 in favour of characters might be preferable. The characters do emote, but due to how tiny they are it gets lost.

For those calling people not getting the joke stupid: sure, because everyone gets every joke Critical Miss makes, right?

For those who didn't get the joke:
The Knight (PC) is trying to manipulate that mother-to-be into giving birth to a monster so he can later slay it for XP. The blond NPC (is that a guy or a gal?) calls him out on it bringing BG2 save-game as evidence and the Knight contemplates killing that NPC, possibly for more exp.

(nitpick: when there is a choice of good/evil, good quest lines actually award more XP in BG2, thus actively discouraging evil play-through. The only evil quests without good alternative I can recall is finishing the evilonly leather armor and Dorn's quest line in EE; meaning the Bhaal-spanw would really have to honour his father and murder everything, which he could, for this comic to make sense)
 

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Time for me to chime in pointlessly and add to the echo chamber of discussion.

I dont like this comic or the others done by this guy, i have absolutly nothing against the content or nature of the jokes, i just do not find it fun. You might say i am too simple to 'get it' but honestly i've understood the humor in all the comics thus far but it hasn't so much as made me smile.

Granted this sort of thing is going to be different for everyone because humor is extremely subjective, i guess so far nothing has struck a cord for me. I do agree with some of the critcism leveled in this thread though, you rely way too much on dialogue and alot of it is flat and uninteresting. The artwork is servicable but the characters don't realy show much emotion of any kind, or to be more generous the subtle changes to expression are easy to miss.

Whatever my opinion though it is certainly more talented than anything i could make and despite my early reservations i will keep reading even if it is just to be proven wrong.
 

Seishisha

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dangoball said:
For those who didn't get the joke:
The Knight (PC) is trying to manipulate that mother-to-be into giving birth to a monster so he can later slay it for XP. The blond NPC (is that a guy or a gal?) calls him out on it bringing BG2 save-game as evidence and the Knight contemplates killing that NPC, possibly for more exp.
I interpreted the joke differently, what i saw was that allowing the child to be born as a player would infact not save it's soul as the mother thinks because the player character himself is souless, he is willing to commit attrocities in order to win. There is no guarantee the child will be a good person if given free choice to do what they like within the game enviroment.

The line about needing XP certainly gives more creedence to your explanation than mine, but having an additional party memeber with free will could also help them gain XP even if said memeber is a murderer.

To be honest i think your explantion is more accurate, it certainly requires less context to justify.
 

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Theres a good idea in the authors head no doubt, he just failed to transpose it to the comic successfully this time.

No doubt he'll eventually get it, and all the more power to him, I just cant grasp how Escapist looked at his previous work and thought, "Aye, this guy is ready for the Escapist!".
 

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Colour Scientist said:
I'm just here to read the comments. XD
Glad to see I'm not the only one. I might have felt bad for enjoying the fallout every time these guys make a comic if I was the only one.
I kind of feel bad that the comments are so overwhelmingly negative.


I'm a sucker for an underdog.
 

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No doubt he'll eventually get it, and all the more power to him, I just cant grasp how Escapist looked at his previous work and thought, "Aye, this guy is ready for the Escapist!".
All Escapist content came from the lowest bidder. The only exception is probably Zero Punctuation which is effectively the flagship (or flagtug if we're going for a purely nautical approach) of the site.

Seen it happen many a time with companies who seek to cut costs in order to turn a profit not realizing that the cost-cutting will in turn result in less revenue/page views... so more costs must be cut and eventually there's nothing left but the rent and electricity bill.
 
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Right. So let me be the lone voice here. I never liked Critical Miss and I've been here way longer than my account suggests. Some of them were chuckle-worthy, but so are several million cat videos on youtube. However, Critical Miss never clicked with me, because they didn't aim my way. The art was ranging from fine to good, the writing always at least serviceable. I'm not the target audience, I didn't like it, but they still did what they did alright. I can respect that, even if I don't enjoy it.
This, though? When I saw a new comic found it's place here after the recent bleeding of content creators, I was happy. A reason besides Yahtzee to come here? Great. Everything else around is dross anyway. I'd be glad to see an upswing in quality again. Turns out every single strip in this new comic ranged from verbose, badly drawn shite to "Meh. 'salright, I guess.". That's not something I visit a site for. I don't dislike your work because you're new here. I dislike it because it does nothing for me and - more importantly for you - seems to do nothing for a lot of other people. The comic lacks direction, well drawn art, emotions, physical gags and pizzaz and - yes - it has way too many fucking words. A lot of words is fine, if you have a point those words are leading to. You don't. Find your fucking point. "Nerds talk about this new nerdy thing." is not a fucking point. It's not even an observation you might package up in a funny way. It's a fact of life. Facts of life aren't funny, unless you're Nietzsche-Cicero-George-Carlin-Tim-Minchin-level good. (Hint: You ain't. Most people aren't.)

Now, I don't know the original comic. Never read it, though I've heard good things about it. If it's anything like this, I don't get why people would care.

Look, don't write me off as a naysayer for the sake of it. I thought the Jimquisition was incredibly bad when it started. People told Mister Sterling he was doing a bad job, he took that to heart and went on to become Rudolf the Red Tied Reindeer on this Escapist sleigh. I'm not trying to be an asshole here. I like to see people do well. You're not doing well. Step up your fucking game.


Peace out.

ETA: No, I was being unfair. Critical Intel is mostly very good too. Everything else is amateurish shite, though. I stand by that. At least hire a freelance editor to get a handle on the typos, Escapist. I'll do it for a good price, since I'm not even a native speaker.
 

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Ha! I was a bit in moral trouble deciding what exactly to answer her when I myself returned with the "cure".
 

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Abomination said:
Fasckira said:
No doubt he'll eventually get it, and all the more power to him, I just cant grasp how Escapist looked at his previous work and thought, "Aye, this guy is ready for the Escapist!".
All Escapist content came from the lowest bidder. The only exception is probably Zero Punctuation which is effectively the flagship (or flagtug if we're going for a purely nautical approach) of the site.

Seen it happen many a time with companies who seek to cut costs in order to turn a profit not realizing that the cost-cutting will in turn result in less revenue/page views... so more costs must be cut and eventually there's nothing left but the rent and electricity bill.
Aaron Williams has been doing geek style comics (both web and comic books for more than 15 years. Low bidder? Hardly. I have worked with him at other gaming publications and brought him to the Escapist as a change of pace from our other content. He has a large following. It may be different than what the Escapist audience is used to, but he by no means new to the medium or the RPG community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Williams_%28cartoonist%29
 

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John Keefer said:
Abomination said:
Fasckira said:
No doubt he'll eventually get it, and all the more power to him, I just cant grasp how Escapist looked at his previous work and thought, "Aye, this guy is ready for the Escapist!".
All Escapist content came from the lowest bidder. The only exception is probably Zero Punctuation which is effectively the flagship (or flagtug if we're going for a purely nautical approach) of the site.

Seen it happen many a time with companies who seek to cut costs in order to turn a profit not realizing that the cost-cutting will in turn result in less revenue/page views... so more costs must be cut and eventually there's nothing left but the rent and electricity bill.
Aaron Williams has been doing geek style comics (both web and comic books for more than 15 years. Low bidder? Hardly. I have worked with him at other gaming publications and brought him to the Escapist as a change of pace from our other content. He has a large following. It may be different than what the Escapist audience is used to, but he by no means new to the medium or the RPG community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Williams_%28cartoonist%29
Experience does not equate to value of services.

Do you know how much The Escapist is paying for the work? Given the recent trend in loss of content providers it is most certainly on the "lower" level of previous freelancers.
 

Fasckira

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John Keefer said:
Aaron Williams has been doing geek style comics (both web and comic books for more than 15 years. Low bidder? Hardly. I have worked with him at other gaming publications and brought him to the Escapist as a change of pace from our other content.
It's a significantly slower pace, then. I can see it being a good backburner strip, something to distract readers briefly in a way similar to a 3 panel strip in a newspaper, but considering how much content Escapist has lost recently I'd have figured the emphasis would have been more on finding content that really popped and made people want to come here.

John Keefer said:
He has a large following. It may be different than what the Escapist audience is used to, but he by no means new to the medium or the RPG community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Williams_%28cartoonist%29
If he's been doing this for 15 years then I doubt we'll see a change in his format (and subsequently I doubt they'll ever appeal to me) but I guess if he's brought this large following to the site then thats the main thing, boost the subscriptions a little and bring in some fresh faces.