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Shoqiyqa

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1) Needs a cocking handle.

2) Needs a front grip.

3) I thought an AK47 or AK74 was a standard battle rifle. *headskritch*
 

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Shoqiyqa said:
1) Needs a cocking handle.

2) Needs a front grip.

3) I thought an AK47 or AK74 was a standard battle rifle. *headskritch*
Ah that's right.

I dunno I think that the magwell or the magazine would work.

They really don't seem to be the same type of weapon. What would you call the difference between an M16 and an AK47?
 

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Nickolai77 said:
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what is that from?

I second this, is from an anime/manga or an orginal creation? I really want to know, i've been looking for anime similar to Black Lagoon.
Whatever it is, it's recent. That's an L85A2 on the right.
 

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sooperman said:
Shoqiyqa said:
2) Needs a front grip.

3) I thought an AK47 or AK74 was a standard battle rifle. *headskritch*
I dunno I think that the magwell or the magazine would work.

They really don't seem to be the same type of weapon. What would you call the difference between an M16 and an AK47?
2) You might get away with that with some weapons, but with some doing that pulls the mag out of line and jams the feed.

3) M16's a reasonably accurate weapon, supposedly meant to be self-cleaning (failed), pretty reliable and effective and issued as the standard battle rifle to US and several other forces. AK47's a horribly inaccurate weapon, supposed to be easy to learn to use, robust and reliable (succeeded), very effective at short ranges and issed as the standard battle rifle to USSR and many other forces. Given its length and accuracy and the background to its development (Leningrad, Stalingrad and all that), it could be viewed as an SMG rather than an assault rifle, at least in its standard form, but it filled pretty much the same role, just for other people.

You know that famous clip, "AL-47: when you absolutely, positively, have to kill every mother-****** in the room, accept no substitute," or whatever it was? That's a fairly good summary of its accuracy. You hit everyone else in the room, with no exceptions. Beyond the room, you've no idea what you hit.

Here's someone else's comparison [http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47vsM-16.php].

You can also get the newest version of the Kalashnikov in 5.56x45mm [http://www.ak-47.us/AK-47vsM-16.php] and it ought to be rather more accurate, even if it still sits a bit high above its butt and feels as much like a slightly-polished log as the '47. There are quite a few other variants of it [http://world.guns.ru/assault/as23-e.htm] out there, all classed as assault rifles or in one case a "tactical support rifle" (halfway to sniper rifle).
 

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What do you mean 'a standard rifle'? How is not already one?
I asked Shoq, to no avail, so I'll ask you as well; what would you call it, then? An AK and, say, an M4 have similarities, but they have big differences. If I were to take an AK and turn it into the M16, or vise versa, what would you name the change that took place?

Non-standard-into-standard was the only logical name I could come up with, though I admit it doesn't make much sense either.
 

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MaxMees said:
sooperman said:
MaxMees said:
What do you mean 'a standard rifle'? How is not already one?
I asked Shoq, to no avail, so I'll ask you as well; what would you call it, then? An AK and, say, an M4 have similarities, but they have big differences. If I were to take an AK and turn it into the M16, or vise versa, what would you name the change that took place?

Non-standard-into-standard was the only logical name I could come up with, though I admit it doesn't make much sense either.
I don't really understand what you mean. They're both assault rifles and are essentially as different from each other than they are to pretty much any other assault rifle.
I think what he means is Eastern into Western. The AK and the AR-15 have pretty much always been a case of Communism versus the Good guys, so I think he means that. Turning a bad guys gun into a good guys one, to use a TV tropes example.
 

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To clarify my question, why aren't iron sights on rifles like the M4/M16 the same shape? The MP5 has circular iron sights that fit each other snugly, while the M4/M16 sights are completely different shapes (The aperture is round and the post has 3 fins). Surely the same shapes would make target acquisition easier?
I imagine the idea is that since the rifle is longer, a fully-enclosed front sight would act as a crap magnet; you could easily get something lodged in the front that would totally block the sight, while with the top open it's harder for something to get stuck and easier to access it if it does; also, the open top makes it less likely to snag on things.

Something like that; I know crap magnetism and snagging was why the US stopped using the open-front three-prong flash hiders seen on early M16s. With your subguns, you're not carrying them with the front sight two feet away from you, so it's less of an issue.
 

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Evil Tim said:
NimbleJack3 said:
To clarify my question, why aren't iron sights on rifles like the M4/M16 the same shape? The MP5 has circular iron sights that fit each other snugly, while the M4/M16 sights are completely different shapes (The aperture is round and the post has 3 fins). Surely the same shapes would make target acquisition easier?
I imagine the idea is that since the rifle is longer, a fully-enclosed front sight would act as a crap magnet; you could easily get something lodged in the front that would totally block the sight, while with the top open it's harder for something to get stuck and easier to access it if it does; also, the open top makes it less likely to snag on things.

Something like that; I know crap magnetism and snagging was why the US stopped using the open-front three-prong flash hiders seen on early M16s. With your subguns, you're not carrying them with the front sight two feet away from you, so it's less of an issue.
I suppose it's a valid idea, but why can't you have a semi-circular sight that matches the round aperture of the M4?
 

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I think it looks pretty good! Made it in around 10 minutes my first time with 'Pimp My Gun.' A bit more polishing and it'll look epic!
 

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Firetaffer said:

I think it looks pretty good! Made it in around 10 minutes my first time with 'Pimp My Gun.' A bit more polishing and it'll look epic!
Huh. The PMAG ranger plate makes a pretty good trigger. Good stuff. Make sure to improve your designs, and make them look like they would work. It really improves quality.
 

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NimbleJack3 said:
I suppose it's a valid idea, but why can't you have a semi-circular sight that matches the round aperture of the M4?
AK's got one like that, actually. But perhaps something like slightly better mud relief, or the higher sides offering better protection against bending the sight pin itself.

I believe the general idea is that you match the two sides against the top of the rear sight circle like you would with your circle-sight anyway, and you only really need two points to do that, not a whole semicircle.
 

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If you've got a vertical columnar foresight, you use the centre of the top end as your front aiming point and the centre of the pinhole as your rear aiming point and line both of them up with your aim opint down-range. The two side-pieces are just there for protection, as far as I know.

They protect the foresight from objects in general, but they do not protect the skin over your left cheekbone from having the foresight jammed end-first through it by some clown on a truck smacking you in the face with a full bergen.

Of course, with the SA80 L85A1 level of quality and consistency, the top of the foresight as viewed from behind isn't necessarily level, among other problems (like "you can't necessarily push a full magazine into the weapon with the bolt closed and if you do it with the bolt open it'll try to feed two rounds into the chamber at once when you close the bolt.")
 

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I made two more, one with the old version for clearing out problems in Resident Evil:


... and one with the new version for putting 9mm right where you want it.


Given some time to poke around in The Gimp, I'd have turned it into a .357Mag version, which would make a little bit more sense.
 

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Shoqiyqa said:
I made two more, one with the old version for clearing out problems in Resident Evil:

Just a few issues with this one. That handguard wouldn't make a great foregrip, the shotgun isn't placed far enough away from the pistol grip, firing the shotgun would destroy your flashlight mount, and the whole gun is pretty long to be used in Resident Evil.

Shoqiyqa said:
... and one with the new version for putting 9mm right where you want it.

And a few touch-ups on this one as well. This one doesn't need much work, but you need to do something about that foregrip hanging like that. That's actually a clever place to put such a foregrip, but the way it's attached is really awkward.
Also, you need to do something with that ejection port. Try not to leave big holes in your weapons.
 

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sooperman said:
Shoqiyqa said:
I made two more, one with the old version for clearing out problems in Resident Evil:

Just a few issues with this one. That handguard wouldn't make a great foregrip, the shotgun isn't placed far enough away from the pistol grip, firing the shotgun would destroy your flashlight mount, and the whole gun is pretty long to be used in Resident Evil.
I concede the point on length. That thing's built for eight-foot elves and mountain gorillas. Normal humans would struggle to handle it properly.

The guard as a foregrip was the best I could (be bothered to) do with the parts available.

I don't agree with the shotgun v flashlight part, though. That shorter tube below the flashlight is the tubular magazine. The shotgun barrel is the lower of the two long tubes that extend beyond the light and laser mounts.

I think it'd be a bugger to use, really, because apart from being long overall it makes you move both hands forwards to go from rifle to shotgun mode. It's still faster than putting one away and getting the other out, but that's kind of awkward.

On the plus side, by the time you've built it to take the stress and recoil and the accidental wall-strikes with the muzzle, it's one murderously effective melee weapon.

sooperman said:
Shoqiyqa said:
... and one with the new version for putting 9mm right where you want it.

And a few touch-ups on this one as well. This one doesn't need much work, but you need to do something about that foregrip hanging like that. That's actually a clever place to put such a foregrip, but the way it's attached is really awkward.
Also, you need to do something with that ejection port. Try not to leave big holes in your weapons.
Good point on the ejection port. The foregrips were hard to do as it was, due to scaling issues. The rear one's for prone shooting, with knuckle protection from the spur on the front one, which is used for standing shots.

Here, a few things fixed:

 

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Shoqiyqa said:
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Here, a few things fixed:

Unfortunately, that scope and red dot would be horribly difficult to look though. The MP5 rail is designed to straddle the upper receiver, and there's a special Docter mount in PMG for mounting a red dot on a scope. Go find it. The barrel would also be in danger of breaking (I think) if it's unsupported and that long.
 

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The barrel would also be in danger of breaking (I think) if it's unsupported and that long.
At very least it'd be in severe danger of warping when it got hot; also with that front grip there'd be a very high chance of burning your hand on the exposed barrel every time you fired. I also can't really see why you'd want to make a gun that size and then only shoot a handgun round out of it, to be honest.