Piracy, when is it legal?

mrx19869

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Lets talk about TV..

2. If i get a DVD recorder with a built in hard drive i can record and save and even burn it to a DVD .

so how is that any different if i buy a computer and download tv shows via torrents...

speaking about the others yes they are illegal.. some of them are unfair tough..
 

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Monkeyman8 said:
Machines Are Us said:
1: No. If you want to watch it again you pay for it again by buying the DVD.
2: No. If I lost my car it wouldn't be ok to go and take a new one. Same goes for trade.
3: Yes, because people could watch TV shows without a TV licence, seeing as it's hard to regulate PC users download content based upon TV licensing we all have to suffer.
4: Your fault for losing it, see Number 2.
5: No it isn't, if you want a copy you pay for it.
6: Morally yes see number 1, logically no.

The only one I don't strongly believe in is 5, because if you lived with 3 people and all bought the CD therefore having 4 copies in the one house it would be stupid.
some of this is true some of it bullshit.

1. true
2. it doesn't work like that because it's not physical media. it's illegal to pirate a game period but if you already bought it go right ahead it's not "immoral" (though I lean towards moral nihilism but that's not here nor there)
3. true, it's illegal because you didn't pay for it because you watched ads. DLing it deprives them of ad revenue.
4. again BS (read 2) but it's still illegal because mix tapes are considered fair use but you never actually bought the music so it's "immoral" (again all of this is illegal I'm just going about which is validly illegal and which is BS).
5.true always illegal (read 4) borrowing music on the other hand isn't (i.e. going over to a friends house and listening to the music on his PC)
6. true, again it's illegal and immoral (if you have morals) plus if you like a series (TV series like family guy) buying the DVD says that you want more episodes made, pirating it says nothing.


not I'm not picking on the guy I quoted but you can't compare physical media to data so I had to point those 2 out but I generally agree with him (I still pirate but I have no impact on the industry as the only things I pirate were made in 2003 at the latest. it's still illegal but not immoral for me)
I take no offence by what you said, I just feel I should point out that I wasn't really referring to morality in my reply at all, rather what is allowed and what isn't.

I know pirating is technically not stealing due to it being a replica, so if you pirate another copy of something you lost they are not losing out in a way, morally speaking I would say it's ok.

It isn't if you traded though, because effectively you had it bought off of you, where the person could have done that to the company that made the game, if you do so then you are losing the company a customer by giving it to someone else and still have a copy of the game.
 

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WaderiAAA said:
I think it is even illegal to download an emulator for a game that you do own, whcih is somewhat lame. With some console games I wish you could get a code when you bought the game and thus could download it legally. I don't always have my consoles with me, but I bring my laptop everywhere, so it would be nice to have my favorite games on it.
Nope, all perfectly legal.
Emulators (unless they've been reverse engineered and contain bits of the consoles code) are, and have always been, perfectly legal.
Roms on the other hand, contain copyrighted material. You are however allowed to download them if you own the game, as legally you are allowed one backup of any game/film/video you have purchased.
 

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Piracy is illegal.

Copying something you own in another media for personal use on another system or backup (eg. copying a CD onto cassette for use in your car's cassette player) can be a grey area, it's usually acceptable under so-called "fair use" laws, but it can vary from country to country. Although in practice, no-one would bother prosecuting that sort of thing even if it were illegal.
 

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these are all obviously illegal.

My questions are, is it legal when:

1. You already own the movie/game/music on CD but download it again
2. When the disk is broken so you re-download it? Possibly using your old serial to install/use
 

Jirlond

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If you had to pirate it - its illegal otherwise its called a legal download
 

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Piracy by definition is illegal isn't it?. I mean, if you find yourself in a situation where you have to resort to a definition to explain your actions, then chances are you were doing something illegal in the first place.
 

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fluffybacon said:
Never. By definition piracy is illegal. [small]Except if you're in Sweden... Go Sweden![/small]
[small]Or Canada! Go us![/small]
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
1. Is it ok to download a film for your personal use after seeing it in theaters?
2. Is it ok to download a game you lost? Or a game you traded?
3. Is it ever actually illegal to download a T.V. show, since you never paid for it in the first place? Yes I know sport shows have a disclaimer....which everybody ignores.

4. What about music that your friend gave to you on a mix cd, that you lost?
5. Is it ok for you to copy all the music your friend has, and vice versa? Of course it is. The real question is when is it considered illegal?

6.When films come out on DVD, is there any reason not to copy your rental DVD?

EDIT: Do note that copying a VHS tape of a movie is entirely legal.
1. Illegal
2. Illegal (Unless you have the disc/cartridge and know where it is)
3. Illegal (Unless they don't show it in your country, that then becomes a grey area since you can state you'd gladly pay for it if the fuckers would let you access their website to watch it after paying for it...damn you hulu)
4. Illegal.
5. Perfectly legal actually since theres no law that says you can't borrow a backup cd from them for indefinate periods of time. (No way to prove its not the single backup cd you are legally allowed to have incase you lose your original copy)
6. Illegal, you can only make a single copy of a dvd as a backup to a dvd you already own.
 

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Man people in this forum have a stick up there arse somehting bad, ohhhh breaking the law like not one of you has ever commited a minor crime in your life you shining beakons of moral hope that you all are.

If its second hand or something a mate gave me then I couuld give less of a toss about copying it or if I lost it big deal they already got my money then, fuck em.
Hes not asking if we condone it, hes asking if its legal in certain situations, and they're replying with "No, and why are you so stupid?"
 

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AxelMiller said:
Everything is pretty much illegal in the 2000 century. Even though its illegal its hard to resist downloading.
2000th century? We're living in the year 200,000 now?
 

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yeah, all of these are illegal, but whether you do them and whether you're going to get caught for them is a whole nother story
 

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Sick boy said:
yeah, all of these are illegal, but whether you do them and whether you're going to get caught for them is a whole nother story
You need to recheck your facts (along with most of the posters here). About half of them are only illegal if you've never owned the producted before.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
1. Is it ok to download a film for your personal use after seeing it in theaters?
2. Is it ok to download a game you lost? Or a game you traded?
3. Is it ever actually illegal to download a T.V. show, since you never paid for it in the first place? Yes I know sport shows have a disclaimer....which everybody ignores.

4. What about music that your friend gave to you on a mix cd, that you lost?
5. Is it ok for you to copy all the music your friend has, and vice versa? Of course it is. The real question is when is it considered illegal?

6.When films come out on DVD, is there any reason not to copy your rental DVD?

EDIT: Do note that copying a VHS tape of a movie is entirely legal.
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. No
4. Its ok
5. Yes, when you attempt murder.
6. Not really. I do it, if the movies alright and I don't have it already.

EDIT: Im In class.
 

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CrysisMcGee said:
1. Is it ok to download a film for your personal use after seeing it in theaters?
No, this is copyright theft.

Unless you own the film or have rights to it or are purchasing it as a legal download from the owner you are not legally entitled to download a film.

2. Is it ok to download a game you lost? Or a game you traded?
This is a two part question.

Downloading a game you traded is copyright theft. Trading a game in has no relevance to any of your ownership rights. Assuming the 'trade' was legal you gave up your rights to use the material. This could even be seen as being worse by a court as you sought to profit by selling a copy and then 'steal' it back.

If you have lost a game then you do not have the right to download a copy, this would be copyright theft.

However, you do have some other options based on the EULA of the game. For example, accidentally deleting a game you got through digital download does not necessarily mean you have to pay for another copy. It all depends on the agreement with the content provider.

Typically you purchase the right to use the material, you don't own it. On that note you could argue that the content delivery system(Disc) is irrelevant and you had an agreement to use the software which provide no time restrictions or end date or use. Following this logic, if you have a receipt for the original you could contact the owner of the game, assuming they still have the relevant content, and ask them to provide you with another copy. You would likely need to reimburse them for the production costs.

Is there any legal ground to this? Unlikely, certainly none that I know of. I don't think any court would accept your claim. The amount of money spent arguing would be more than simply buying another copy online.

If you have valid insurance that covers loss you could claim for the product if it is still available for purchase or perhaps some form of reimbursement.


3. Is it ever actually illegal to download a T.V. show, since you never paid for it in the first place? Yes I know sport shows have a disclaimer....which everybody ignores.
It is always illegal to download a T.V. show unless it has been made available through legal mean that you have pursued.

The broadcaster typically pays for the show using advertising revenue. You normally pay for the shows through a subscription which helps the broadcasters operate.

If you download the show and more and more people see it then it loses its value. Broadcasters may not be willing to pay for a certain show and hence you are depriving them of business opportunities. Also, the broadcasters suffer because the advertisers may pay less for a slot if they are not convinced that they are reaching a certain audience size.

No, people do not ignore sport show disclaimers, the majority of people abide by them.

4. What about music that your friend gave to you on a mix cd, that you lost?
This is copyright theft. Your friend never had the right to produce and distribute the songs on the mix-tape. Losing this mix tape is irrelevant, you never owned the content in the first place and have no claim to a reproductions of it.

Losing music does not entitle you download it illegally. Again if it's digital you may be able to re-download already purchased tracks from the provider depending on your agreement with them.


5. Is it ok for you to copy all the music your friend has, and vice versa? Of course it is. The real question is when is it considered illegal?
This is always considered illegal; it's copyright theft. You could expect an almost limitless fine and even a custodial sentence. I think the average penalty is around $50,000 per infringement (that's each track).

6.When films come out on DVD, is there any reason not to copy your rental DVD?
Yes, it's copyright theft. It would also be a breach of the terms with the rental copany who likely state that copying is not permitted.

Quite simply, you haven't paid for the content to keep indefinitely, you only paid for the rental period agreed. If you want to keep it for longer you must rent it for that period or buy a copy when it is available.

Copying a DVD you have rented means that you are not buying it at retail and sharing it could stop even more people buying it. While you may choose not to buy it at retail prices you might make it available to someone who otherwise would. You are essentially limiting that amount of revenue that may be made from the film.

EDIT: Do note that copying a VHS tape of a movie is entirely legal.
This is not true in all circumstances; it's also legal to make a single 'backup' of a movie you have legally purchased unless you circumvent the copy protection.

You cannot share this backup though. You also cannot sell/give away the original and keep the backup, you would have to destroy it. Copying a movie in its entirety in any form without permission form the content owner is illegal irrespective of the method used. It's copyright theft.


I find it odd that you are so misinformed of copyright theft. It almost seems like this is some kind of test of 'our' knowledge on the subject.
 

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beddo said:
Thats because hes a secret agent of the RIAA tracking our IPs to sue us and...oh wait, he can't since its entrapment for not identifying himself first.