Piracy

[Bellvedere]

I'm not a big fan of PC game piracy. Compared to movies and TV (that you may only watch once - and given that they are on TV for free I don't see how its a problem if like to watch them at my own pace on my computer instead) games have so much replability and good games are generally worth paying for. Piracy is having a huge negative impact on those that actually buy the game in terms of DRM and not being able to return incompatible/unlikeable games whilst virtually no impact on pirates.

As someone who can afford to spend money on games I feel morally obliged to support the market and buy them legitimately. That being said I don't disapprove entirely of people who do pirate games.

On a lighter note here's the solution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj2sTOJzpWo

 

[murphy7801]

yer i get if dont support it games dont get made (unless there a Microsoft own studio)just the games industry starting to feel dated in there tackling of this issue. also i would like say everyone has been very reasonable on this thread which much appreciate since alot resent threads people have been abit well you know what i mean.

 

[M Silverthorn]

I'm glad this isn't the whole "Pirate are bad!!!" or "It's cool to be a Pirate!!!" argument all over again.

Way I see it, you kinda need both the massive game corporations and the tiny pirate legions to balance the market. Think about it. If it weren't for piracy, we would have fewer corporations concerned with security or hell, tech support to make sure the damn games are still playable. Furthermore it might even make those corporations consider making the prices or features on these games more appealing to the average joe: who is well within his power to pirate that game for free.

Of course...the argument trickles back to one common problem. Piracy has been illegal for a few hundred years now. Kinda hard to dodge that one, no matter what sort of thing you've chosen to pillage.

 

[murphy7801]

yer its not a simple situation with one solution

 

[murphy7801]

since this is a fairly educated thread do you think gamers settle to easily for alot game release

 

[Lord_Jaroh]

I think too many gamers respond to hype rather than research.

 

[TikiShades]

I'm glad this isn't the whole "Pirate are bad!!!" or "It's cool to be a Pirate!!!" argument all over again.

Way I see it, you kinda need both the massive game corporations and the tiny pirate legions to balance the market. Think about it. If it weren't for piracy, we would have fewer corporations concerned with security or hell, tech support to make sure the damn games are still playable. Furthermore it might even make those corporations consider making the prices or features on these games more appealing to the average joe: who is well within his power to pirate that game for free.

Of course...the argument trickles back to one common problem. Piracy has been illegal for a few hundred years now. Kinda hard to dodge that one, no matter what sort of thing you've chosen to pillage.

Wow, I never thought of that. As long as pirated games aren't of the best quality, it pushes the companies to better the game and prevents the companies from making a monopoly.

 

[tarquin biscuitbarrel]

basically, if you live in america you should have to pay full price for games.

everywhere else in the world should get it for free, as compensation for 10+ years of getting ripped off.

 

[murphy7801]

basically, if you live in america you should have to pay full price for games.

everywhere else in the world should get it for free, as compensation for 10+ years of getting ripped off.

japan still should pay as well they get loads things i never even see in the uk i would like.

but this is never going happen unless alot of the worlds goes major socialist

 

[Reyce]

I understand that in Kenya, games must be ridiculously overpriced.
This is simply because there is not a large enough consumer base to make large scale retail viable.

By the same token, however, this lack of a consumer base means that piracy in an impoverished country will do very little to hurt multi-million dollar companies' profits.

What should concern you is the fact that pirates are criminals and the fact that money generated from piracy is funnelled into other criminal endeavours, and in volatile countries this could mean that the money goes towards terrorism or illegal drug manufacturing.

You seem to be greatly mistaken about software piracy works. How can you possibly fund terrorism from an activity that DOESN'T INVOLVE MONEY?

Ha ha ha best argument ever!!! I didn't even think that warranted a response. Everyone knows that people uploading games for FREE download get paid by "SOMEONE". uh wait!?

I'd be interested to know where this information is coming from.

Seriously though terrorsim???

You can go to any large city and buy pirated games + movies for $2 each. The money made from that goes towards organized crime and other things, just like drugs. Why wouldn't terrorists be doing this? I mean, they need a source of income, right?

That is a very rare sight in Ireland and the games industry is growing rapidly here and has been for years. Plus I don't think a single soul would trust a stranger selling shoddy software of any type. They'd probably be ripe with viruses!

 

[murphy7801]

yer i agree just alot people are turning to dl well when comes to pc products and ds games

 

[scotth266]

SNIP.

Still, how long have you had that game?

And my point still stands: the only way to get EA to cut the oppressive DRM is to prove they don't need it. So everyone who downloads a EA game is contributing to the problem.

 

[Xaryn Mar]

Several years, but that is the point in buying a game: To keep it and play it whenever and where ever you like, on whatever machine capable of running it.
Otherwise why buy a game and not just pirate it? (No I do not rent a game, since I would never be able to complete it in that short a time, since my university and job takes a lot of my time)

 

[Beefcakes]

Except that most people would never buy the product they're downloading.
Downloading a game is nothing more than a copyright violation, you're not making anyone lose any money.[/quote]

Well, its a net loss
You would have otherwise bought their product, and buy not buying there product, their losing money that they would have previously had.
Its like saying if you steal from a store, they aren't losing money, and therefore theres no problem.
It doesn't work that way

 

[Sybban]

Except that most people would never buy the product they're downloading.
Downloading a game is nothing more than a copyright violation, you're not making anyone lose any money.

Well, its a net loss
You would have otherwise bought their product, and buy not buying there product, their losing money that they would have previously had.
Its like saying if you steal from a store, they aren't losing money, and therefore theres no problem.
It doesn't work that way[/quote]

Negative.

That is not stealing. It is only copy right violation.



Foooooooor example.


A company that works on jets purchases a back order of parts based on past amounts spent. This done at the beginning of the fiscal year. This is not only for troubleshooting indivual parts, but for ordering entire WRAs (Weapons replaceable assemblies). This is in case a product is beyond capable maintenance and you immediatly need a new asset.


NOW, if you do deem something beyond capable maintenance and then send it off to depot for expert repairs, it DOES NOT count as a repair cost. This money was already spent. This blew my mind the first time I ran into it, I argued with my boss about the dangers of BCMing too many things and he said from a fiscal perspective it is not seen as a down side at all.



This is a terrible analogy but I did not want to use one that dealt with actual commerce since those are weak arguements.



The point is, there is no actual way to prove that you would have bought the game otherwise.



The bigger point is, it is pointless to argue the scemantics because the cold hard fact (as I stated) is it's never going away. People will always find a loop hole to get what they want

 

[Beefcakes]

Stuff

Yeah, the analogy wasn't that good, but I see your point
And the bigger point (that its always going to happen) has been known to me for as long as piracy has been around, no need to tell me twice
But its illegal for a reason. It keeps business's that make the games in, for lack of a better word, business.
Its stealing, and stealing just really makes me angry.
Would you want developers like VAVLe and Infinityward suffer the same fate?