Pirates provide a better service

[perkl]

As long as you skip games from Ubisoft, Activision and EA, and don't purchase anything with GFWL you won't have any problems at all.

 

[Spygon]

1) Buy a game from shop
2) Put it in 360 at disk tray to start up screen 30 seconds.
3) Play game

Time taken about 5 minutes.

Sorry i shouldn't of wrote that just wanted consoles to be seen as a better alternative than pirating games

 

[Spygon]

1) Buy a game from shop
2) Put it in 360 at disk tray to start up screen 30 seconds.
3) Play game

Time taken about 5 minutes.

Sorry i shouldn't of wrote that just wanted consoles to be seen as a better alternative than pirating games

you forgot the part where you have to download day 1 patches and have to install part of the game on your hard drive in order to play the game smoothly.

btw, piracy also exists on consoles...

If your playing on a lan or single player you do not have to download patches and i have never installed any game to my hard drive and they run smoothly.

Ofc piracy exists on consoles just if the argument is time taken is the reason to pirate games. Consoles are a better and more honest solution.

 

[bafrali]

As a former pirate who now has a steam profile with over 100 games (not to mention my GOG profile) I disagree with your opinion.

 

[AndrewC]

I don't have problems usually when I've been buying stuff on Steam, but the thing that annoys me the most about 'pirates do it better' is that for movies, they damn well do. Put disc in > watch film.

I got numerous blu-rays as Christmas gifts, was looking forward to watching a few but instead of putting the disc in and watching the odd warning screen, I got:

WARNING WARNING WARNING TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER...MEN- NOPE TRAILER TRAILER.

Hey here's the menu.

DVD's are the same.

 

[Madman123456]

Ubisoft is too blame for the Troubles of the OP, which is why i do not buy games they have touched. Same goes for anything published and/or developed by EA. Same goes for Rockstar.
I strongly disagree with their Business ethics, so i wont buy their Products. Furthermore, i'm concerned for the Security of my System and my data.

I caught some malware on my machine. I have not seen a malware that was such a ***** to get off my harddrive like the securom copy Protection software.

So i will not buy product of those Companies, i will not subject myself to anything originating from those Companies even it was legitimately for free.

If i where to pirate some Software from those Companies, uploaded by some random Person via torrent, i would be more fearful of the original copy protection still intact then getting a Virus from that random Person.

 

[Laluune]

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hey, you might want to add something to your post or you most likely recieve a low content warning.

just providing a heads up.

Thanks edited.

Ubisoft is too blame for the Troubles of the OP, which is why i do not buy games they have touched. Same goes for anything published and/or developed by EA. Same goes for Rockstar.
I strongly disagree with their Business ethics, so i wont buy their Products. Furthermore, i'm concerned for the Security of my System and my data.

I caught some malware on my machine. I have not seen a malware that was such a ***** to get off my harddrive like the securom copy Protection software.

So i will not buy product of those Companies, i will not subject myself to anything originating from those Companies even it was legitimately for free.

If i where to pirate some Software from those Companies, uploaded by some random Person via torrent, i would be more fearful of the original copy protection still intact then getting a Virus from that random Person.

Are you saying you'll play and enjoy games by this company but you won't buy them? Or are you saying you avoid everything to do with them. The latter I would be okay with but if it's the former than you are just condemning game developers to unemployment.

I'm not saying piracy is the only cause of game dev unemployment but it's a large reason why developers can't get off the ground or go under. *shakes fist in frustration*

 

[Mojo]

Ubisoft is too blame for the Troubles of the OP, which is why i do not buy games they have touched. Same goes for anything published and/or developed by EA. Same goes for Rockstar.
I strongly disagree with their Business ethics, so i wont buy their Products. Furthermore, i'm concerned for the Security of my System and my data.

I caught some malware on my machine. I have not seen a malware that was such a ***** to get off my harddrive like the securom copy Protection software.

So i will not buy product of those Companies, i will not subject myself to anything originating from those Companies even it was legitimately for free.

If i where to pirate some Software from those Companies, uploaded by some random Person via torrent, i would be more fearful of the original copy protection still intact then getting a Virus from that random Person.

Are you saying you'll play and enjoy games by this company but you won't buy them? Or are you saying you avoid everything to do with them. The latter I would be okay with but if it's the former than you are just condemning game developers to unemployment.

I'm not saying piracy is the only cause of game dev unemployment but it's a large reason why developers can't get off the ground or go under. *shakes fist in frustration*

You could always buy the product and then crack it anyway to circumvent the DRM.
I always avoid games if I know Ill need to register different accounts, be online all the time if I want to save in the single player and so forth. As stated above, Steam (and Origin too surprisingly) rarely have those problems though.

 

[Nouw]

No service or platform is universally superior because it all comes down to your own preference and situation. Things like distance from a game-store, internet speeds and other factors that may trump one service over another. I held myself off from downloading Max Payne 3 on Steam right now because it's a whopping 30GBs. That's almost half my monthly allowance! While other games are smaller, such as The Walking Dead, some games can be a bit problematic. One service isn't inherently better than the other. Whatever works for you, works for you.

 

[Daverson]

Better service, ok, I can't argue with that, but that doesn't justify doing it in the slightest.

Ok, so, let's say someone hits my sister with a car. If I call the police, they'll say "well, this is a crime, we'll put him in jail for a year", one year later, he gets out of jail, buys a new car, and hits my sister with it again! What an arsehole! Alternatively, instead of calling the police, I could have called in a favour with big Tony, and had him have a little "accident". Therefore, the Mafia provide a better service than the justice system.

Just because something's convenient doesn't make it right.

 

[SextusMaximus]

As a former pirate who now has a steam profile with over 100 games (not to mention my GOG profile) I disagree with your opinion.

Thanks for that useless insight. Try and put reasons for your opinion next time you post.

 

[Patrick Buck]

Here's what happens when I buy a game from Steam:
1) Buy a game from steam
2) Download it at 3,4MB/s average speed,
3) Run it and it crashes at launch (Ubisoft error 1)
4) Install more DRM from Ubisoft
5) Wait for launcher to update itself
6) Register an account on Ubisoft DRM.
7) Then wait for launcher to update the game
8) Play game

Time taken: <1 hour, depending on the size of the game.

Moral of the story: If you don't like Ubisoft DRM, don't buy Ubisoft games. Pirating their games doesn't help you make your point in any way. This is nothing but a terrible attempt at justifying piracy.

Yeah, basically this.

I've never had this problem with Steam, so It's gotta be you, your computer, or Ubisoft I guess, I don't Have any of their games.

 

[Thedutchjelle]

Here's what happens when I buy a game from Steam:
1) Buy a game from steam
2) Download it at 3,4MB/s average speed,
3) Run it and it crashes at launch (Ubisoft error 1)
4) Install more DRM from Ubisoft
5) Wait for launcher to update itself
6) Register an account on Ubisoft DRM.
7) Then wait for launcher to update the game
8) Play game

Time taken: <1 hour, depending on the size of the game.

Moral of the story: If you don't like Ubisoft DRM, don't buy Ubisoft games. Pirating their games doesn't help you make your point in any way. This is nothing but a terrible attempt at justifying piracy.

This goes for me as well. Steamdownloads are very fast for me, ranging well over 3 Mb/s on average. I've seen it hit somewhere between 5-10Mb/s at times. Games are downloaded in an hour or so.

The only problems I have with some steamgames are the Windows Live/Gamespy stuff that some still have, which forces you to make a seperate account for those services.

 

[thespyisdead]

to be honest, i don't see why people are up in arms against anything that is not steam >.<

i have a game on uplay and it works like a charm, no questions asked(though on first time start i did have problems, because the bloody installer did not install uplay).

as for origin... yeah i am boycotting anything EA(or at least trying to(the next ME game is going to test that botcott))

OT: it's true that DRM is a bit anti-consumer, but pirates are also "consumers" who do not pay for the good

 

[sonofliber]

Better service, ok, I can't argue with that, but that doesn't justify doing it in the slightest.

Ok, so, let's say someone hits my sister with a car. If I call the police, they'll say "well, this is a crime, we'll put him in jail for a year", one year later, he gets out of jail, buys a new car, and hits my sister with it again! What an arsehole! Alternatively, instead of calling the police, I could have called in a favour with big Tony, and had him have a little "accident". Therefore, the Mafia provide a better service than the justice system.

Just because something's convenient doesn't make it right.

no, but it shows that your system if fundamentaly flawed when going outside the law is more usefull

 

[Fdzzaigl]

Pretty much. One additional thing, is that if you live in Europe or some other territory outside of the US, you're often confronted with companies who make you wait X days before your product activates after launch. Or the online service gets outsourced to some crappy company with horrendous support and performance, for which you also have to make accounts on their site etc.

 

[Colt47]

Just get all your PC games on steam. it's great. Till the day you move house and you can't play your games because you don't have internet and the steam client needs you to be online to switch to offline mode.

In other news GoG.com > all

Actually, I just tested your scenario using my home PC and it gives the option to play in offline mode due to not finding a connection. Where exactly are you getting your information from?

 

[N3squ1ck]

I don't have problems usually when I've been buying stuff on Steam, but the thing that annoys me the most about 'pirates do it better' is that for movies, they damn well do. Put disc in > watch film.

I got numerous blu-rays as Christmas gifts, was looking forward to watching a few but instead of putting the disc in and watching the odd warning screen, I got:

WARNING WARNING WARNING TRAILER TRAILER TRAILER...MEN- NOPE TRAILER TRAILER.

Hey here's the menu.

DVD's are the same.

This is infuriating to me too, I mean why put piracy-harms-clips there, when I obviously already bought the DVD/ BluRay, it boggles my mind that anyone could believe that those clips help preventing piracy :S

 

[Squilookle]

There's a pretty funny image floating around that sums up this kind of thing...

Spoiler: oh look- here it is:

 

[Ingjald]

Developers are the guys that are most affected by piracy. Not the publishers, not the people. Game studios close down because of poor sales. And preowned game sales, but that's another story. Buy ya games ya basterds.

Just like Mojang did, amirite? Oh, wait...

I'm all for the buying of games(and movies), but the DRM attached to some properties are just ridicilous, not to mention completely impotent. What the industry as a whole seems to have trouble grasping is that the people who make games available for piracy are just as skilled in removing and circumventing DRM as the developers and publishers are at putting it there. This means that you only hassle your legitimate buyers with your attempt to get at pirates. This is bad.

Movies have a similar problem; all those silly anti-piracy ads (I would so download a car!)get cut from pirated movies to reduce file size. Thus it's a win-win situation, only the pirates have both wins. Pair that up with the faster and wider availability that piracy also offers, and summa summarum, they do provide a better service.

As for the "controversy" regarding used games; if I buy a used Toyota, Toyota gets no money from me directly, but indirectly in that the previous owner might regard it as regaining some of the money put towards the car when new, thus I could be said to have paid that portion. If I buy used IKEA furniture, IKEA gets no money from that transaction. This is how second-hand works. Why should the games industry be excempt?