Plants vs Zombies Composer Musically Begs Blizzard for Druids
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This is actually a key reason why NE Mages don't make sense. Illidan was banned for all of eternity for preserving the magic that he wielded. The notion that Night Elves would suddenly turn around and be like, "Hey, let's call on our old arcane powers to make everything better now" after such severe action was taken against someone for the use of said powers is absolutely ridiculuos from a canonical perspective. But you know what, I don't really care that it doesn't make sense because that's what happens when you have adaptive lore in a giant MMORPG that's always changing and expanding. You know that eventually Blizzard is going to allow every race to be every class, it's just a matter of balancing the factions and combinations, but I'm fairly certain it'll happen within the next few years.Rednog said:
I facepalm whenever I hear anyone get worked up over altering the lore. As long as the game is balanced so that everyone can enjoy the gameplay, who really cares? If my friend was like, "I really want to be a NE Mage" and they didn't exist, I wouldn't be like, "noooooo, don't beat the lore to a bloody pulp, leave it alone!!" I mean seriously, who cares. It doesn't negatively affect me or the gameplay in a substantive way, and it allows others to have fun. As long as the stats are worked out so the gameplay is balanced, then I'm all for something like this. Especially if it means more cute girls joining the Horde
On a side note related to adjusting lore based on balance issues... did you guys know that the lore was adjusted to make Blood Elves "evil" because Blizz was trying to increase the amount of Koreans playing Horde? Apparently the Korean MMO population only likes to play "pretty" characters, hehe. Personally, I'd never play as a male BE... they wear too much makeup.
*sigh*...*puts on lore junkie hat*rekabdarb said:
Giving night elves mages is not a lore breaking change. Before the sundering the night elven civilization was built upon nothing but the practice of arcane magics. After the sundering as the majority of the night elf population turned their backs on the practice of the arcane (at the behest of Malfurion Stormrage since it was tampering with the arcane that brought the Legion to Azeroth in the first place) there were those who did not wish to abandon the practice of arcane magic. These were mostly the Highborn (elite magi of Queen Azshara's court) who had gotten wise to Azshara was bat-shit-insane and that Sargeras was only going to wipe them out (despite his promises of ethnic cleansing only those outside of Azshara's court) and escaped Zin'Ashari to aid in the fight against the legion.
The when the Highborne and Night Elves went their separate ways we ended up with the High Elves (now Blood Elves) and the Shen'Dralar. (located within Dire Maul which was once the city of Eldre'Thalas) Just like their High Elf cousins that made their way to the Eastern Kingdoms the Shen'Dralar continued to practice the arcane magics while the Night Elves moved more towards the druidic arts. Unlike the High Elves, however, the Shen'Dralar have retained the physiology of the Night Elves because they did not change from their nocturnal ways as the High Elves did. (hence why Blood Elves look so different from Night Elves despite being from the same genetic pool)
Until now the Shen'Dralar have been more than content to remain hold up in Dire Maul, but they have also been able to sense that something terrible is on the horizon and have acted accordingly. They no longer feel that they should segregate themselves from the Night Elf civilization because all they accomplish by doing so is depriving their own people of a powerful ally. There is, however, the still lingering animosity to the Highborne (which is what the Shen'Dralar were) because they were the ones who first opened the portal allowing the Legion access to Azeroth as a means to "cleanse" the world of all those not within the palace walls. Essentially the Shen'Dralar now wish to make amends with the Night Elf civilization and show them that they need not fear the arcane.
Which brings me back to my initial point. Giving Night Elves mages is in no way a lore breaking change. That's not to say though we couldn't give Blood Elves the druid class through a somewhat flimsy tie that they have to the night elf race. Especially considering there are some quests in Eversong Woods that talk about how they were on very good terms with the forest Ents before the Scourge arrived. Really not much of stretch when you think about it, would require some seriously creative connecting of dots to make it plausible though.
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It breaks lore because during WC3 they still feared it so much they hunted Illdan despite the WT being under siege and even after it got corrupted. Its in there nature to despise Arcane magic even if there civilization is on the brink of disaster.
Then again between the Draenei and the Night elves doing stupid things to get the attention of the Burning legion the world is doomed anyway
They dint just move to druidc arts they outright banned arcane and exiled the highborn( the ones still wishing to use arcane magic)KeyMaster45 said:
It breaks lore because during WC3 they still feared it so much they hunted Illdan despite the WT being under siege and even after it got corrupted. Its in there nature to despise Arcane magic even if there civilization is on the brink of disaster.
Then again between the Draenei and the Night elves doing stupid things to get the attention of the Burning legion the world is doomed anyway
Yes, they outright banned it but the Highborne weren't forcibly exiled. They already knew that because of what they had done that the rest of the Night Elves would no longer accept them in their society. So they instead decided to pack up and move across the (newly created) ocean to form their own civilization where they could practice their arcane magic. Yes, this was caused by the outlawing of arcane magic but never were they actually forced out of the society.direkiller said:
As for WC3 you're wrong. It was Maiev and her band of followers who hunted Illidan, not the Night Elves. Even still the only reason that Malfurion joins Maiev in the hunt is because she lies about Tyrande's death at Illidan's hands. You forget that it was Malfurion who freed Illidan from his prison and the only reason he was banished afterwords was because he had absorbed the demonic powers sealed within the skull of Guldan. Effectively making it pointless to have freed him in the first place. Lets not also forget that the methods being employed by Illidan in his gambit to destroy the Icecrown glacier was probably going to tear the world apart which is why in the first place Malfurion and Tyrande were even in the Eastern Kingdoms investigating.
So, no they did not hunt Illidan while the World Tree was under siege. The original plan was to use Illidan as a powerful ally against the Legion since he was very effective against them in the War of the Ancients. Once Illidan absorbed the demonic magics within the skull of Guldan, Malfurion banished him not because Illidan used Arcane magic but because Illidan had become part demon. This was already compounded by the fact that after the Sundering Illidan had re-birthed The Well of Eternity and then attacked his own people when they tried to stop him. Illidan was already an unstable character, already jealous that Tyrande had chosen Malfurion over him, and having to overcompensate for himself because of the cultural expectations put upon him simply because of his eye color. (you'll have to look that one up yourself cause I don't have the book to check what color it was) His eyes were also a gift from Sargeras himself as a reward for a job well done in stealing the Demon Soul from Malfurion and crew. Granted this was an unexpected bonus to some convoluted plan Illidan had cooked up in his head to be the big hero of the war, the downside to it was that he'd just delivered the object in question that would allow Sargeraes to pass from his world to Azeroth. I digress though as that's an entirely separate area of argument when it comes to lore. The only person who hunted Illidan directly during the siege of the world tree was Maiev once she realized Illidan had been exiled.
The Night Elves are not as afraid of the arcane as you make them out to be. Why would they ally with the other races of the Alliance who so freely practice it. They know and understand the risks behind it and instead have chosen not to practice it as a race. Yes the Night Elves have a stigma upon the practice of arcane magic within their culture. Even though it is outlawed it's not as if a law cannot be overturned and obviously the Shen'dralar are going to present a good enough argument to Tyrande for her to allow them to begin teaching arcane magic to the Night Elves again.
The legion already knows Azeroth exists, there's no more getting their attention. The reason the Night Elves brought attention to Azeroth in the first place is because of Queen Azshara having the Highborne tamper with the deeper magics within the Well of Eternity and effectively opened a portal into the nether which they then began to poke and prod about in enough that the Legion found them.
So, to sum things it up: It still doesn't break lore, sorry you're wrong. Have a nice day.
Well, KeyMaster beat me to the punch. Illidan is The Betrayer and was imprisoned because he, well, betrayed Azeroth during the War of the Ancients. His being a mage just added to the distrust the Night Elves still have of the arcane.
Also, has no one here noticed that for the past few months, even before the race/class-combo changes were announced, NE mages and Tauren paladins were already being hinted at? Those pointless delivery quests by each faction's Dalaran portals have a purpose. Stick around by where you deliver them and read the conversations.
Also, has no one here noticed that for the past few months, even before the race/class-combo changes were announced, NE mages and Tauren paladins were already being hinted at? Those pointless delivery quests by each faction's Dalaran portals have a purpose. Stick around by where you deliver them and read the conversations.
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Don't be hatin' on the gnome warriors. They're the only non-pure DPS class we get.
Until Cataclysm, when we get priests! Hooray!
(Oh, and we have Death Knights, but they don't count. Everyone has those.)
Don't be hatin' on the gnome warriors. They're the only non-pure DPS class we get.
Until Cataclysm, when we get priests! Hooray!
(Oh, and we have Death Knights, but they don't count. Everyone has those.)
http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/archive/index.php?t-616.htmlKeyMaster45 said:
yes the night elves never did anything stupid EVER
Well, it is probably too short notice to alter it for Cataclysm, but neext time they get a chance, they may as well do it. To hang with the lor!
Anyway, Blizzard came up with the lore, doesn't that mean they can "beat the dead horse" of their lore as much as they want? It's merely the fans job to recite it.
Oh, and cute video, of course.
Anyway, Blizzard came up with the lore, doesn't that mean they can "beat the dead horse" of their lore as much as they want? It's merely the fans job to recite it.
Oh, and cute video, of course.
Elves...
Why would you roll any race that is so inferior when compared to Troll? I will never know.
Why would you roll any race that is so inferior when compared to Troll? I will never know.
direkiller said:
...K? I wasn't saying they never did anything stupid; that's so far from the point I was trying to make that your comment fails to make any sense other than showing me the kinds of over generalized and false resources you use when discussing lore.
You're still wrong about night elf mages being a lore breaker and until you can bring a legitimate argument to the table you will remain wrong.
Not true! Well, OK, true NOW. But until Cata, the Blood Elves didn't have warriors.Stollos said:
