Please Sign This Petition, Racism/Sexism Isn't Okay If Its Against Straight White Men

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spartan231490

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I have a better plan. Just get a bunch of white, cis guys and go to the event. go early, take all the space. Protest is where it's at, teach her that being a whiny ***** won't help her get her way.
 

Ryan Minns

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Bloody hell! I told my partner to make sure they shut the gate behind them after visiting tumblr!!! Hopefully more didn't notice and escape!
 

Sigmund Av Volsung

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Well, I'm white cis and straight, but I'm Eastern European, so technically a minority in England. I'm from a working class family with a single mother and I can bet that she makes way more bucks than we do.

So... does that mean I win the privilege game with her? Is this how it works? I apologise, for I know not how to Tumblr arguments.

/joke

I know some people who say stuff like this but not necessarily stand by when I point out that I don't get a choice in my genes any more than anyone else, nor where I am born, neither that by virtue of having certain chromosomes am I inherently prejudiced or poisonous >_>

To do this at an official capacity is a shameful display. Hope she realises that the real world isn't whatever echo chamber she frequents that lead her to this behaviour.
 

Muspelheim

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I shouldn't have to sign a petition for something so bloody obvious...

But then again, a lot of things are bloody obvious. One of those things is to not help cement people getting shit for something that isn't wrong or anything they can help just to take the piss out of people like her.

L. Declis said:
Oh look, a cultural marxist.

Looks like they are getting into some positions of power.

Looks like we were right, yet again.
Well, 'cultural marxist' can evidently mean 'teenagers in a holiday camp and maybe also some government office workers'. It's a very broad term indeed.
 

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*Sigh* Damn idiots ruin every good cause. Especially since she's dragging some important things through the mud with her.

Silverblade said:
?If you?ve been invited and you?re a man and/or white PLEASE DON?T COME just cos I invited a bunch of people and hope you will be responsible enough to respect this is a BME [Black and Minority Ethnic] Women and non-binary event only,?
Justified in some cases as it is important to provide space for those who feel persecuted to work through their problems without fear of drowned out by their oppressors. However, running such a thing so that is productive requires a level of tact and control that she clearly lacks, otherwise they do just decend into... well... what we have here.

Silverblade said:
"I, an ethnic minority woman, cannot be racist or sexist towards white men because racism and sexism describe structures of privilege based on race and gender and therefore women of colour and minority genders cannot be racist or sexist, since we do not stand to benefit from such a system."
An important concept that needs to be used carefully to avoid it being associated with crap like this. This is, for example, why it's not so bad to call a white person a cracker (one persons feelings get hurt, they grab a coffee to cheer themselves up and forget it happened)(personally wouldn't do something like it, as it is still dickish), but racist to call a black person the N word (reinforces negative stereotypes in all those within earshot, unlikely to be the only incident that day, hard to forget).
 

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And this is why feminism looks like a hategroup to people who aren't inside feminism who are able to see the well intentioned people. Feminists really have to stand up and say as a feminist this bigotry is not ok, this woman is not a feminist. That's the true scottsman argument right there I guess, who here thinks this woman is a feminist? (She sure as heck thinks she is one)
 

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MarsAtlas said:
Question: What does a "Welfare & Diversity Officer" do for this university? I'm guessing its part of some sort of student group or some sort of equivalant to a dorm advisor. The article doesn't really explain. The petition doesn't make it clear at all. I mean, yeah, she said bad stuff, but its not really clear who it is that is saying it. Like, if I just told you "somebody from my school said 'queers should be put on an island and nuked'" you'd think thats a distasteful comment. However, most people would see a world of difference between a student saying that and the school administrator saying that. Student saying that, the reaction is "yeah, fuck that asshole", but a school administrator, people will be out for their job (and rightfully so in my opinion).
Do Americans not have Student Unions?

Okay to elaborate...in the UK student unions are a HUGE thing. Almost every University has a student union, which are all (well I think all) part of the National Union of Students (NUS) which is an absolutely gigantic monolith of a nation-wide organisation. The NUS does a variety of things including politically representing student's interests to central government and championing students' rights.

On a more local level, like Goldsmith's Student Union, they are typically semi-independent of the University itself but are inextricably tied with said University (which means they're basically involved in the University permanently despite "technically" in most cases being independently-run from it). Fundamentally they represent every single student in the University they are affiliated with and act as a central hub for social activities, political activism, student support and all of that stuff.

As far as this woman goes, she's one of the Union Officers. The Unions tend to have a bunch of staff (in Goldsmith's case they have a Chief Executive and Deputy, for example, as well as a pile of other co-ordinators and managers) and handful of democratically elected full-time student officers (taking sabbaticals from their study to do the job). They are full-time paid positions to which they are elected by the student body (or at least those who can be bothered to actually vote in them) and are intended to be representative of the student body, representing it on every level and dealing with issues put to them within their remit. They are also typically responsible for sitting on appropriate University committees as the student representative and for meeting with University staff on behalf of students. Student Officers tend to be fairly responsible roles that, somewhat unfortunately, have issues with getting people to actually vote; which means that bloc-voting is frequently successful which makes the whole process somewhat vulnerable to people with agendas or egos.

To put this as simply as possible though: she was democratically elected by the student body to this role for a one year term and is getting paid £22,000 per year (source: http://www.goldsmithssu.org/representation/elections/positions/fulltime/ ) to be the Welfare and Diversity Officer; caring for student welfare and acting as one of the "faces" of the student body. She isn't getting paid by the University directly, she's getting paid by the Union, but the Union is inextricably tied to the University. And at a very high level (as in she will be liaising with senior faculty, probably not the Vice-Chancellor because the Union President will typically deal with them if at all, but definitely high-level staff). As well as publicly representing the student body of that University and, indirectly, the University itself.

Officially I think the right people to write to would probably be the Union President and Chief Executive. But ultimately Universities effectively have some responsibility for their Unions. And, more to the point, Universities could make things extremely difficult for someone who they do not want in a position by just refusing to deal with them and barring them from meetings.
 

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In the great, wise words of Icona Pop:

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"F**k the system" is a mantra we've been feeding young people for a looooong damn time (see: How People Feel About The Police), this is one of the ways it manifests, and as far as I'm concerned, society's made its bed and can now go take a dive in it.
 

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No lady, you are definitely a racist and sexist, and no lady you are not a woman of colour, you are caucasian aka a white woman.
 
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AccursedTheory said:
Zontar said:
You know, I've one of her speeches in video form and I have to say it's laughable in its absurdity to think she is not white. Last time I checked Turks where Caucasian. If you have to tell someone you're not white for them to know you're not white, then you're white.


She does look pretty white, doesn't she?

I would most definitely assume she was of European descent if I saw her on the street.

Also, what is non-binary? Was she... discriminating against people with non-match ethnicity parents?
That's what I was thinking. I was watching a video related to that article, thinking "why did they pick the whitest woman at their gathering to be their spokesperson?" Wouldn't it be more credible to have someone of darker skin, who is probably more likely to have come across discrimination and gender inequality?
 

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"Because no one will ever have it as hard as I do, any complaint I make is automatically legitimate and irrefutable."

I'm going to rebut that with all the composure, reason and courtesy I feel it deserves. (clears throat):
It's called victim privilege.

It is a fallacy.

You cannot claim special exception in matters of equality. Attempting to do so invalidates the core concept.

You cannot demonstrate moral superiority by using the same tactics your enemies do. You cannot kill hate with hate, it's been tried.

You are increasing the sum total of hypocrisy, evil, and plain ol'-fashioned home-cooked nonsense in the world.

Please feel free to die of a horrible wasting disease at your earliest convenience, you ignorant, spiteful, self-righteous little twat.

Thank you, drive through.

#killallthestupids
 

PsychicTaco115

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My reaction to this situation can be summarized as follows:


I'm just going to use my male/white/cis privilege and ignore this thing because it doesn't affect me personally that much

Why get mad when I know there will be people who'll do it for me for free?
 

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Eh...I dunno how upset I'd get over this. Probably not much, since my capacity for anger has never been all that big and I'm just tired of saying much of anything about this sort of thing. I mean, yeah. They should probably question why their apparent Welfare and Diversity Officer is conducting themselves like this. I think she could have communicated her point immensely better and without being an inflammatory jerk about it. Really, all you have to do is say that it's an event catered towards women and minorities, but everyone is welcome as long as they aren't unnecessarily disruptive. How is that so difficult? But I don't think it really affects a whole lot of anything outside of the environment of that university.
 

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And people wonder why feminism is a dirty word these days...

*sigh* What is their to say, it's another stuck-up, self-righteous waste of life preaching about how X group is responsible for all the worlds problems, If the group she is "representing" wants to hold any respect from sane individuals, they could start by canning this nutjob
 

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shrekfan246 said:
Also, given the number of people who think "#killallmen" is literally calling for the genocide of half the human race, you'll have to forgive me if I don't take "#killallwhitemen" and "#misandry" at face value.
Maybe you should look up the definition of "literally" in a dictionary? Even the pathologically bibliophobic can do it these days through the Internet. You will discover that "kill all men" does in fact call for the genocide of half the human race when you interpret it literally. There is no ambiguity whatsoever that I can detect there. So I'm thinking you must have "literal" confused with the related concept "NON-literal". This appears to be a common problem.

It is curious how many people covered by these murder fantasies themselves have taken such a tolerant attitude towards those propagating them. But it may be that not all of them are actually suicidal, they just regard these people as so unworthy of being taken seriously that it doesn't matter what kind of twisted poison oozes from them. "Racist, sexist murder apologists? That sounds seri- wait, it's just a GIRL! Hahahahaa, you almost got me going there! Now, let the poor dear have her life-long tantrum. It's not like she can be expected to behave like a mature, responsible individual."

I for one find such patronizing attitudes abhorrently sexist. We should have the common courtesy of taking the stated beliefs of individuals seriously, regardless of their gender, "race" or Queerness quotient. This is a grown woman. Does she not deserve to be taken at her word, as a man in her position would be?
 

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Zontar said:
inu-kun said:
Hey, I'm a straight white cis male, and jewish,
You know I've been thinking, as a Jew myself I've been trying to figure out if, for those of us outside of Israel, is being Jewish a privilege or... whatever the term is for the opposite of privilege in new speak (disprivilage?), since while there are the stereotypes about Jews having high education and getting into lucrative lines of work, there's also the anti-Semitism.

Though if my girlfriend and I ever spawn new players, it would be interesting. I don't think there are that many half-Vietnamese/Half Jewish people out there.
Being Jewish in the UK effectively makes you 'white when convenient' on campus. Expressing opinions that go against the careerist brown-nosers in the student union-- you might want to ease up on that white privilege, son. If you're subjected to a hate crime - like a swastika painted on the front of your parents' home - that makes you an aggrieved minority, and your story will be milked for propaganda value. The loudest campus radicals (of every stripe) aren't too keen on letting people speak for themselves.

I have encountered Bahar Mustafa's type before. Usually, the bulk of their interactions were feeble, profanity-laden comebacks if I dared to speak up. That is easy to brush away with a laugh. About the worst thing I endured during my undergrad years was having blood thrown on me, and getting spat on, after shouting down a vulgar anti-Israel rally. The cowards had a significant numerical advantage, and never would have been brave enough for a one-on-one confrontation.
 
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Lightspeaker said:
Do Americans not have Student Unions?

Okay to elaborate...in the UK student unions are a HUGE thing. Almost every University has a student union, which are all (well I think all) part of the National Union of Students (NUS) which is an absolutely gigantic monolith of a nation-wide organisation. The NUS does a variety of things including politically representing student's interests to central government and championing students' rights.
It can vary from state to state and university to university, but I believe that the majority of universities in the United States do not allow their students to organize into unions unless those unions are created, controlled and run by the university in question.

In recent years, I have caught wind of several universities spending a lot of money via lawyers to make certain their students could not organize (and that their employees couldn't either because of a push to prevent state employees from creating unions). Unions are often considered just one step away from full-blown Stalin-style communism by a fair number of individuals here in the U.S., I'm sad to say.

OT: I will not sign the petition. I do not live in that country and neither go to school or work for said university. Even if I did, I would prefer to use the in-house channels to either get her written up (and educated on what standards someone in her position/office should be upholding) or dismissed from her position should it become necessary (which would be a regrettable step because she seems the sort who would cling to the martyrdom self-pity with both hands and screaming about it as widely as she could).

I can only hope real life gives her a dose of perspective and some much needed humility. Being made the target of an internet mob doesn't seem to be the best way to do that, either.
 

Therumancer

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Right now I'm trying to remain content to just sit back and watch the show.

This kind of situation is a big part of why I am so anti-liberal, we've created a situation where we've pretty much demonized the majority in the civilized world to the point where our attempts to end discrimination have backfired. We've locked ourselves into a position where the reason why people like this aren't shut down in the US/UK/etc.. is because we've conditioned so many people to both think it's righteous, as well as demonizing the kinds of techniques needed to shut idiots like this down. We're pretty much watching the dream of diversity and tolerance get torn down by the other side, which gleefully engages in the same kind of racism that was made illegal for their benefit originally and fear of backlash from liberals and SJWs with lawyers who exploit the system has so far prevented reprisals.

I'm not great at articulating it, but I've been saying for a while now we needed to shut these kinds of people down as they were developing. People ignored what was coming believing it could never get to this point, and yet it did. The US, UK, and a lot of the first world are all being plagued by uprisings of minorities who don't want to assimilate into society and have been convinced that they are owed something, combined with an unhealthy desire for revenge. These kinds of problems largely existing only within the societies that were enlightened enough to try and be tolerant to begin with and whom opened the doors, in the places where there is real oppression these guys won't try and do anything because they know the societies there won't tolerate them.

Getting past all the danger of some of the issues on display here eventually leading to a civil war in the US, the bottom line is the problem exists because of white morality. White people wanted to try and be tolerant in countries where they were the majority rather than trying to create largely mono-ethnic societies like most of the world still possesses. Whites decided to end slavery, which most of the world still practices in one fashion or another even if they don't call it slavery, probably because we were the ones most victimized by it throughout history given that white civilizations were arguably the last to rise, with the whites being the oppressed barbarians hunted and enslaved by the empires built up around The Fertile Crescent. People like to go off about white hatred and bigotry, but see if most while people were that way these "social revolutions" never would have happened. What's more those white racists that were out there were largely pushed to the very fringes of society with little control over anything.

So now, ask yourself what happens when we go from social issues, to yet more rioting and civil disruption by unassimilated peoples not embracing the opportunities they were given. Especially when you see more and more minority icons getting up there insulting white people, and even calling for mass murder via social media. In doing so becoming an example of what every single racist through the history of the first world told us was going to happen and in a way proving their point?

I'll tell you what's going to happen, the white racists that have been a boogie man, a social joke out on the fringes of society, are going to become the real threat that people always claimed they were. Like it or not while whites are losing majority status in some of their countries (like the USA) it's happening very slowly, they still control most of the infrastructure and power, not to mention it's hard to claim that diversification isn't a threat when you have people all through the western world screaming for blood and pushing for societal vengeance. You push hard enough there is going to be a backlash, and it's not going to be a small one. "Whitey" in reality is pretty laid back globally speaking, but he's not someone you want to feel genuinely threatened (beyond people implying there is fear in hype) or start motivating to action, and one of the best ways to do that is to sit around running blatantly racist events, organizing riots in the name of mob justice, and screaming for his blood.

Now don't misunderstand this, I'm not saying there is going to be any kind of sudden massive uprising of white people gunning minorities down in the streets. We're not even close to that. The big sign you need to start looking for is that a lot of these fringe racial groups are not going to be so fringe anymore. Scare people, make them fear based on their race, and that's going to lead people into getting organized to strike back. See, groups like the KKK weren't a threat because they rallied in robes and lynched a comparatively tiny handful of people, they were a threat because they were a secret society (hence the hoods) and for a long time nobody could even definitively prove they existed, this was their power more so than the violence which was mostly so scary because nobody could do anything about it since the Klan wound up controlling everything, once they were officially uncovered it was relatively easy to deal with them however. Whites have tended to be smarter about this kind of thing than other ethnic groups, and the more we keep this going the more your going to be feeding beasts like this one, and the more overt ones like the Aryans and Neo Nazis. Then 5 maybe 10 years later we're going to be sitting there watching hate crimes and wondering "well gee, how did these guys get so powerful". Some will argue they were always out there waiting to strike, but the truth is that they weren't in any position to do crap until we let stuff like that gathering in the UK and some of the stuff we've been watching in the US go on. Trust me push "whitey" and he's going to push back, and once that happens for real, as opposed to people talking crap, we can pretty much kiss the dream of co-existence in the USA farewell because we will finally have created a divide that will be irresolvable.

Not well articulated, but that's my thoughts. Basically, if we want co-existence we need to start actually taking action against minority organizations that are stirring up trouble, no matter how much propaganda or social investment is behind their righteousness. Keep punishing whites as haters, while letting minorities spew hatred, riot against the system, and not adapt to live in peace, and that dual standard is going to destroy everything. Someone like our UK speaker her, or Saida Grundy in the US need to be dealt with just as ferociously as groups like the Klan had been in
the past, especially when we're seeing race riots all over the country. Sure, the angry white men who here this and get pissed aren't kicking down doors and being stupid, but given the lack of societal response just imagine how many of them are probably seriously thinking about pro-white organizations simply due to the fear being caused by these speeches and recent events.... and as I said, when we do see counterstrikes, the white MO tends to be very organized and methodical. Unlike the suicide bombers of the Muslims white "terrorists" usually want to live if they can rather than die to make a point, and you usually don't see spontaneous eruptions of violence. Rather these groups spread through the infrastructure, and when they do act it's carefully pre-meditated and planned and all the more dangerous for it. We do not want a real return of white hate, and that is what it seems people are angling for, updated for modern technology what you'd see there would be terrifying beyond what any other terror group on the planet has shown itself of being capable of. I personally do not want to have to live through this race war, but hey, if people want to start it, all I can do is sit back and let it happen, it's not like anyone ever listens to me or people like me, we get dismissed instantly for saying uncomfortable things people don't want to hear. Just like the whole "War On Terror" being able to say "I told you so" over a decade later doesn't really mean much since everyone still has to deal with the repercussions.
 

Therumancer

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Zontar said:
inu-kun said:
Hey, I'm a straight white cis male, and jewish,
You know I've been thinking, as a Jew myself I've been trying to figure out if, for those of us outside of Israel, is being Jewish a privilege or... whatever the term is for the opposite of privilege in new speak (disprivilage?), since while there are the stereotypes about Jews having high education and getting into lucrative lines of work, there's also the anti-Semitism.

Though if my girlfriend and I ever spawn new players, it would be interesting. I don't think there are that many half-Vietnamese/Half Jewish people out there.
Well, the situation with Jews can be fairly complicated. A lot of the bad blood goes back to the old days when Jews were the only ones allowed to lend money through most of the civilized world due to religious rules. While viewed as a "dirty" job, money lending tends to lead to making a lot of money, and along with money lending of course came loan sharking and various book keeping gimmicks. Jews were running some of the first truly nasty ethnic organized crime syndicates based entirely around the loan business. You also wound up with Jews tending to group together into ethnic communities, and also wind up owning lots and lots of property which they refused to ever sell to anyone who was not also Jewish, in many cases allowing entire sections of cities to rot when they couldn't do anything with the property since they would not sell it to anyone who would develop it. This of course did not apply to ALL Jews by any stretch of the imagination, but there were enough Jews doing this kind of thing to inspire large scale bad blood. The character "Shylock" from Shakespeare's "Merchant Of Venice" is a pretty accurate depiction of how the old world saw the Jews. During World War II it's been argued that Hitler took some of his speeches from those given by wealthy Jews in terms of there being a "master race" which was a variation on how Jews argued they were "God's chosen people". Some of those who allied with Hitler, namely Romania, did so because they wanted the Jews killed off less due to any kind of ethnic hatred but because of a desire for the "re-Romanianization or property". Basically substantial portions of Romania were owned by Jews who were doing nothing with the property and refused to part with it, and on it's own the government couldn't deal with the problem since the Jews while a minority were too powerful internally, the Nazis were welcomed for providing manpower and firepower to remove the Jewish population and see the property returned to the hands of Romanians. You can read anything you want between the lines of any of that of course. I'm not attempting to sell you or anyone on anti-Semitic propaganda (which would be impossible in your case obviously) so much as explain the point of view.

At any rate, the point is that even post-World War II Jews don't exactly have a good reputation in terms of business, the view being that their wealth typically comes from exploiting other people, usually through "soft power" means like loans, property deals, and similar things, usually skating on the razor edge of legality without stepping over it. There are also frequent accusations of bigotry from Jews aimed at others, given that apparently there are large portions of some cities like New York and LA owned by Jewish real estate companies that refuse to sell to anyone who isn't Jewish. It's been difficult to prove, but basically some company shows up, makes an offer, they won't sell, and then a year later the company sells to a Jewish interest for a fraction of what was offered. You might say "well, that's fine, everyone does it" and there is some truth to that, especially when you look at ethnic neighborhoods in general, and notice that despite offers from a lot of people the buildings in a "Chinatown" always somehow always manage to stay under Chinese ownership. The thing it isn't supposed to be illegal, of course the only time you tend to see it come up is when whites are accused of not selling to minorities, when minorities don't want to sell to whites or other minorities rarely is anything ever done.... this isn't an exclusively Jewish issue, but given some of what happened in "The Old World" and the stigmas that came along with it, well let's say grudges have been held, and to a lot of people it seems like the same thing that has been being reported for a very long time.

That said in other parts of the world it's probably less of an issue, all of this comes down to conflicts that have been going on in Europe and European countries for well... over a thousand years probably. That kind of thing doesn't just go away.

Now that I've explained that and hopefully won't have people yelling at me for being a Nazi or being accused as some kind of anti-Semite simply for understanding that side of it, I will attempt to answer the question you posed directly.

Jews seem to be viewed as a protected minority whom it is impossible to criticize as a group due to feelings of guilt over World War II. The more "old world" you are in your outlook the more anti-Semitic it seems people tend to be. Multi-generational Americans who don't heavily associated with a previous culture (like me) on the other hand don't generally have much of a problem with Jews. As a result, it can get complicated. This is also reflected in a lot of the politics involving Israel, where you'll notice that a lot of "pure Americans" like me tend to side heavily with Israel and simplify it as "Israel is an ally, Palestine isn't, so we back Israel" when you get down to it, on the other hand this causes a lot of tensions with a lot of European nations, who might talk around it, but some of us remember a lot of these countries that fought Hitler weren't exactly doing it because of The Holocaust no matter how it's spun now, and those that sided with him could even be pretty gleeful about it. Given the pressure from our involvement in The Middle East and pressure from our European allies who aren't exactly waving Israeli flags for whatever reason they want to claim it can become a mess. Here in the US you also wind up with say large communities of Europeans, Italians, Irish, etc... and even there you seem to find tensions.

Jewish success tends to be tainted by the perception that it comes at someone else's expense, oftentimes using legal, but underhanded means. This also includes a perception of Jews relishing in the misery they can bring to other people. Again "Shylock" is pretty much the character to examine if you want a quick overview of how a lot of people see successful Jewish businessmen.

In closing I will however say I have never been screwed by, or had any bad experiences with, Jews in business or otherwise. My personal "bigotries" tend to always come from first hand experience and I'm not shy about expressing them. I have personally never seen anything to reinforce the negative stereotypes, although I've had it explained to me in detail.