Plot holes in "Avatar"

[MONSTERheart]

So I went to the theater yesterday and saw Avatar in 3d. It was pretty good. Today, I was reflecting on the movie a little when I realized there was something odd. I shall recount the scenes in which this plot hole occurs.

WARNING, SPOILERS

Hole #1 (my friend actually pointed this one out): In the beginning scene where Jake first takes control of the avatar, he comes across numerous other avatars (the ones playing basketball, numerous others you see scattered about). These ones are never seen in the movie again. Who's avatars are they and what purpose do they serve?

Hole #2: During the final battle, we see that the avatar of Norm (the other scientist guy) is killed. Norm emerges from his pod, perfectly fine but visibly shaken. Later, once the main bad guy dies, Jake's real body ends up on the ground outside his pod, struggling for air. Na'vi princess lady comes in and everythings fine.

END SPOILERS

#1: Ok, so it's not really a plot hole, but it's still interesting to point out. There seems to be no purpose for them to be there.

#2: So, where did Norm go? Did he just wander off into the jungle? Surely he would have gone to help his friend Jake, who was struggling for breath on the floor of the mobile outpost. We see him again later at the end, but where did he go?

Did anyone else catch these? Or am I just wrong and missed something that would explain this?

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

Norm took a gun and went off to go help fight, didn't you notice that when he left? As for the other avatar drivers, presumably they were off doing the sort of research that Jake was assisting with when he got lost and ended up befriending the tribe.

 

[ShotgunShaman]

Spoiler

Niether of these are plot holes... For the first one, the avatar's are to serve as diplomats to the Na'avi, only reason you don't see them again is because the rest of the movie takes place inside the base and in the deep jungle. For the second one, he grabs a gun and keeps fighting on foot. He had long since left before the villian showed up.

So yeah...

 

[MONSTERheart]

Was there in actual part showing him picking up the gun and going out to keep fighting after his avatar had died? Because I don't remember that...

 

[Thyunda]

I think for the second one he was more referring to as to why Norm was fine, but Jake was gasping for air.
Norm was in an intact shack when his avatar died, so he just slapped on a mask and went off to fight. But, you have to remember that the Colonel smashed the windows on the shack when Jake woke, which is why he was struggling to breathe.

 

[Booze Zombie]

What about the fact that the main antagonist has no real reason for being the way he is or that this story is Dances With Wolves, with plot holes, white guilt and even seemingly, anti-human sentiment.

 

[DukeisClay]

#2 They showed Norm leave the pod with a gun and mask, then wander off into the jungle. It was probably so when the mech crushed his pod we knew he was no longer in it.

Now a question of my own that's not quite a plot hole either. Why do the mech things need knives?

 

[Cherry Cola]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

 

[Godavari]

Hole #1 (my friend actually pointed this one out): In the beginning scene where Jake first takes control of the avatar, he comes across numerous other avatars (the ones playing basketball, numerous others you see scattered about). These ones are never seen in the movie again. Who's avatars are they and what purpose do they serve?

Hole #2: During the final battle, we see that the avatar of Norm (the other scientist guy) is killed. Norm emerges from his pod, perfectly fine but visibly shaken. Later, once the main bad guy dies, Jake's real body ends up on the ground outside his pod, struggling for air. Na'vi princess lady comes in and everythings fine.

1) That's not a hole at all. They just didn't show up again because they were elsewhere, doing other things. Every character we see doesn't have to be a part of the story the entire way through.

2) I don't understand the hole here. You may be confused. The atmosphere of Pandora is toxic to humans. They need gas masks to breathe. When Norm emerged, the mobile research pod was sealed and filled with Earth-like atmosphere, so he was okay. During the final battle with the walker, however, the Captain broke into the pod and the Pandoran atmosphere began leaking in, making Jake asphyxiate.

What I don't understand is the whole deal with the big flying things. Supposedly, you "connect for life" with a certain one, but halfway through Jake ditches his for the big orange one.

 

[Captain Pancake]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.

But isn't the point of the film to show how he subtly changes his mindset? At the end he says "The aliens returned to their dying world", in reference to the humans. This shows that he regards himself as one of the Na'vi now rather than a human being, as in his human life he was a broken shell. If you watched it with the right mindset, you'd see his reasons and, if not support them, at least understand them.

 

[TheLastCylon]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Did you see the movie? The humans were total pricks to everything. Maybe Jake didn't want to be a part of that?

 

[Captain Pancake]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

He's a traitor in my opinion.

A traitor from a bad cause does not make a bad person.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Spoiler

The humans are raping the land's resources,environment, and the Navi homeland. The humans are the initiators of violence, Jake has a lover amongst the Navi, and they destroy his friend's place, imprison him, and destroy what amounts to a village of the Navi because they want some more resources.

Think of it like the Vietnam War, why do you think Vietnamese civilians would side against the US?

 

[rabidmidget]

#2 They showed Norm leave the pod with a gun and mask, then wander off into the jungle. It was probably so when the mech crushed his pod we knew he was no longer in it.

Now a question of my own that's not quite a plot hole either. Why do the mech things need knives?

Because the Na'vi are almost as tall and strong as the mechs so they need the knife to help kill them

 

[dodo1331]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

He's a traitor in my opinion.

He would have been a traitor no matter which side he chose at the ending.

 

[Internet Kraken]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

He's a traitor in my opinion.

A traitor from a bad cause does not make a bad person.

So pretty much condemning the entire human race to death as a result of resource depletion does not make him a bad person?

 

[Godavari]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

He's a traitor in my opinion.

A traitor from a bad cause does not make a bad person.

So pretty much condemning the entire human race to death as a result of resource depletion does not make him a bad person?

Why don't the humans take resources from one of the billions of other planets in the galaxy with resources instead of the one with life on it? Besides, you heard what they were really after: money. The unobtainium sold for something like $20 milion a gram or some crazy figure. That's why they destroyed Home Tree, because it was sitting on an unobtainium deposit.