Plot holes in "Avatar"

[dantom1]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

He's a traitor in my opinion.

A traitor from a bad cause does not make a bad person.

So pretty much condemning the entire human race to death as a result of resource depletion does not make him a bad person?

Why don't the humans take resources from one of the billions of other planets in the galaxy with resources instead of the one with life on it? Besides, you heard what they were really after: money. The unobtainium sold for something like $20 milion a gram or some crazy figure. That's why they destroyed Home Tree, because it was sitting on an unobtainium deposit.

Am I the only one who notices the irony in trying to get a resource called "unobtainium" at all costs?

 

[ECHO 062]

The creatures/animals on pandora had those wierd tentacle-interface things, right? Most of the animals had two whereas the humaniods had one. What would happen if you connected several of the animals all in a chain? Would they go crazy?

 

[Godavari]

The creatures/animals on pandora had those wierd tentacle-interface things, right? Most of the animals had two whereas the humaniods had one. What would happen if you connected several of the animals all in a chain? Would they go crazy?

This calls for a scientific experiment!

HOOOOO!!!!!!

 

[Internet Kraken]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

It's called consumerism.

Also, how many people die in gang wars over illegal drugs and how many people have died for things like blood diamonds? They're certainly not necessary.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

It's called consumerism.

Also, how many people die in gang wars over illegal drugs and how many people have died for things like blood diamonds? They're certainly not necessary.

Do people lose billions of dollars worth of future tech when fighting over drugs? I don't think so. The value of the unobtanium would have to somehow outweigh all the money they spent trying to get it. And the only way something could be that valuable was if it was neccesary for human survival/expansion.

 

[ReincarnatedFTP]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

It's called consumerism.

Also, how many people die in gang wars over illegal drugs and how many people have died for things like blood diamonds? They're certainly not necessary.

Do people lose billions of dollars worth of future tech when fighting over drugs? I don't think so. The value of the unobtanium would have to somehow outweigh all the money they spent trying to get it. And the only way something could be that valuable was if it was neccesary for human survival/expansion.

Or humanity/the particular people funding this project are greedy bastards who are really well off and don't give a damn about anybody but the bottom line.There are CEOs like that, even if they haven't taken it to the extent of Avatar (because they can't).

If you're arguing that it's a plothole in the movie fine, but from the movie it appears their motivation is nothing but greed.

And even if it hasn't all been in technology, the War on Drugs and the illegal activities it encourages have been a waste of billions of dollars in the US budget alone.

 

[TotallyFake]

I think some people are sort of misinterpreting what I thought the plot hole was. The rephrase it, I was essentially asking where was Norm when Jake was suffocating? Did the movie ever show him leave?

I think the questions were answered (he went off into the jungle again, apparently), but I don't remember that happening so I can't be sure.

You see a masked human run briefly and fight on the Na'Vi side. It's very VERY quick, but I think it's him. Norm was awesome, and got a great "death", I wish they'd done a bit more with him.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

It's called consumerism.

Also, how many people die in gang wars over illegal drugs and how many people have died for things like blood diamonds? They're certainly not necessary.

Do people lose billions of dollars worth of future tech when fighting over drugs? I don't think so. The value of the unobtanium would have to somehow outweigh all the money they spent trying to get it. And the only way something could be that valuable was if it was neccesary for human survival/expansion.

Or humanity/the particular people funding this project are greedy bastards who are really well off and don't give a damn about anybody but the bottom line.There are CEOs like that, even if they haven't taken it to the extent of Avatar (because they can't).

If you're arguing that it's a plothole in the movie fine, but from the movie it appears their motivation is nothing but greed.

And even if it hasn't all been in technology, the War on Drugs and the illegal activities it encourages have been a waste of billions of dollars.

That's what my problem is with the movie. You can't just say the only reason to do that is because of greed. It doesn't make sense.

 

[mb16]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

gold, titanium both not essential to us bt very expensive

 

[TotallyFake]

What about the fact that the main antagonist has no real reason for being the way he is or that this story is Dances With Wolves, with plot holes, white guilt and even seemingly, anti-human sentiment.

Okay, none of those are plot holes. And you can't use "it has plot holes" as one of your plot holes.
I also have no idea what you mean by "no reason for being the way he is". Do you mean why he's in a wheelchair? Or why he turns against the greedy, aggressive, authoritarian humans in favour of the harmonious, romantic, wonderful Na'Vi and a super strong super fast body that he could only dream of as a human?

And, more importantly: Have you seen Dances with Wolves? Because I'd not even heard of it until all the "Dances with Smurfs" bullshit, and now it's suddenly become extremely prevalent. Have I somehow completely missed a phenomonally well known classic or is everyone just jumping on the bandwagon?

 

[Godavari]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

It's called consumerism.

Also, how many people die in gang wars over illegal drugs and how many people have died for things like blood diamonds? They're certainly not necessary.

Do people lose billions of dollars worth of future tech when fighting over drugs? I don't think so. The value of the unobtanium would have to somehow outweigh all the money they spent trying to get it. And the only way something could be that valuable was if it was neccesary for human survival/expansion.

Or humanity/the particular people funding this project are greedy bastards who are really well off and don't give a damn about anybody but the bottom line.There are CEOs like that, even if they haven't taken it to the extent of Avatar (because they can't).

If you're arguing that it's a plothole in the movie fine, but from the movie it appears their motivation is nothing but greed.

And even if it hasn't all been in technology, the War on Drugs and the illegal activities it encourages have been a waste of billions of dollars.

That's what my problem is with the movie. You can't just say the only reason to do that is because of greed. It doesn't make sense.

Of course it makes sense. Why was the conquistadores' motto "Gold, God, and Glory"? Gold wasn't necessary. The only useful thing we do with gold now is to make wire out of it. During the exploration, they didn't need it for anything other than making things look pretty. And yet here I am in the New World talking to you because people were greedy, and for no other reason.

 

[Simmo8591]

I think some people are sort of misinterpreting what I thought the plot hole was. The rephrase it, I was essentially asking where was Norm when Jake was suffocating? Did the movie ever show him leave?

I think the questions were answered (he went off into the jungle again, apparently), but I don't remember that happening so I can't be sure.

You see a masked human run briefly and fight on the Na'Vi side. It's very VERY quick, but I think it's him. Norm was awesome, and got a great "death", I wish they'd done a bit more with him.

a minor concern for Norm might have been that he could have been killed by the Na'Vi once he was out of his avatar.... I cant remember if they ever saw his human self before the fight but even if they did he's just another human with a face obscuring mask and isn't daubed in blue warpaint, also the majority of the ground force was made up of the horse riding tribe who have never met Norm... just a small worry for his safety

 

[Aloran]

Methinks that you're looking a bit TOO far into it Kraken, and from what I could see during the film, it was purely a consumerism aspect.

As the main character says, it's not the army that are in the forest, they're all hired guns, merceneries. If it was a survival thing surely the army wouldn't be getting paid?

Also, the value of the unobtanium was $20 million per kg. Imagine how many tonnes you'd get from the huge deposits.

Simple thing is it's a LOT of money.

(And I would have done the same thing that he did. He was crippled as well remember, the Na'vi effectively gave him his legs back and a love.)

 

[Internet Kraken]

I don't think they were after resources that they needed and had run out of, they were after a certain resource that sold for alot. Basically, they were trying make money not survive.

That's bullshit. Why would there be such a high demand for this resource if it wasn't necessary?

gold, titanium both not essential to us bt very expensive

Both have necessary uses when manufacturing certain items. And again, we don't have to waste billions (actually, it's more likely to be trillions) of dollars trying to obtain these resources.

Methinks that you're looking a bit TOO far into it Kraken, and from what I could see during the film, it was purely a consumerism aspect.

As the main character says, it's not the army that are in the forest, they're all hired guns, merceneries. If it was a survival thing surely the army wouldn't be getting paid?

Also, the value of the unobtanium was $20 million per kg. Imagine how many tonnes you'd get from the huge deposits.

Simple thing is it's a LOT of money.

(And I would have done the same thing that he did. He was crippled as well remember, the Na'vi effectively gave him his legs back and a love.)

I know the movie says that they are just mercenaries, but it's so painfully obvious that they represent the actual army.

And again, that's what I dislike about the film. It just doesn't make sense. In reality nobody would waste this much money trying to acquire a resource unless it was incredibly valuable. And the only way such a resource could be so valuable was if it was necessary to maintain the current status of human society.

 

[Godavari]

What about the fact that the main antagonist has no real reason for being the way he is or that this story is Dances With Wolves, with plot holes, white guilt and even seemingly, anti-human sentiment.

Okay, none of those are plot holes. And you can't use "it has plot holes" as one of your plot holes.
I also have no idea what you mean by "no reason for being the way he is". Do you mean why he's in a wheelchair? Or why he turns against the greedy, aggressive, authoritarian humans in favour of the harmonious, romantic, wonderful Na'Vi and a super strong super fast body that he could only dream of as a human?

And, more importantly: Have you seen Dances with Wolves? Because I'd not even heard of it until all the "Dances with Smurfs" bullshit, and now it's suddenly become extremely prevalent. Have I somehow completely missed a phenomonally well known classic or is everyone just jumping on the bandwagon?

Dances With Wolves rocked. Go find it and watch it.

 

[Rigs83]

Plot holes?
One for me is the fact that a human betrayed his fellow human to help aliens.
I personally don't understand why he would do it.

Because he liked the Na'vi more than the humans. Doesn't get more simple than that

He's a traitor in my opinion.

A traitor from a bad cause does not make a bad person.

Like the Nazis' who tried to assassinate Hitler. Those guys were cool only because everyone else was so bad in comparison.

 

[Xanadu84]

#2 They showed Norm leave the pod with a gun and mask, then wander off into the jungle. It was probably so when the mech crushed his pod we knew he was no longer in it.

Now a question of my own that's not quite a plot hole either. Why do the mech things need knives?

Because the forest is filled with stealthy predators that hunt by ambush. If you're jumped from behind, and a thing is trying to claw its way through your suit, a gun is not as useful as a blade. A blade can also cut things in the way, and is a extremely inexpensive thing to include (Piece of sharp metal is a pretty minot addition when your makeing a robot). Case in point: The bad guy managed to kill that creature whatshername was riding with the knife, and he probably would not have managed that if he just had his gun.

 

[funguy2121]

So I went to the theater yesterday and saw Avatar in 3d. It was pretty good. Today, I was reflecting on the movie a little when I realized there was something odd. I shall recount the scenes in which this plot hole occurs.

WARNING, SPOILERS

Hole #1 (my friend actually pointed this one out): In the beginning scene where Jake first takes control of the avatar, he comes across numerous other avatars (the ones playing basketball, numerous others you see scattered about). These ones are never seen in the movie again. Who's avatars are they and what purpose do they serve?

Hole #2: During the final battle, we see that the avatar of Norm (the other scientist guy) is killed. Norm emerges from his pod, perfectly fine but visibly shaken. Later, once the main bad guy dies, Jake's real body ends up on the ground outside his pod, struggling for air. Na'vi princess lady comes in and everythings fine.

END SPOILERS

#1: Ok, so it's not really a plot hole, but it's still interesting to point out. There seems to be no purpose for them to be there.

#2: So, where did Norm go? Did he just wander off into the jungle? Surely he would have gone to help his friend Jake, who was struggling for breath on the floor of the mobile outpost. We see him again later at the end, but where did he go?

Did anyone else catch these? Or am I just wrong and missed something that would explain this?

#1 Movies 101: When using a smaller story as a lens through which to view a larger one (so it's more personal), it's commonplace and perfectly acceptable to only show brief scenes of the other goings on in the larger story to simply convey that they are there. Jake is obviously not the only avatar being used at not the only unobtainiom site ruled by not the only Na'vi; also, it appeared to be a training site for getting humans used to controlling their avatars on Pandora.

#2 I don't really remember what happened to Norm after his avatar bit it, but I believe he took to the fight in human form after.