Pokemon Black & White Celebrates Release Date With English Trailer

[CrystalShadow]

Or at least attack and receive damage animations for the characters battle scenes I mean come on how hard is that?

Pretty Damn hard actually. Although that depends on what, precisely you mean by this.

Every attack already has specific hit animations, but if you mean specific attack and hit animations for every move for every pokemon?

Well, you do the math.

Assuming you don't need to see contact between the two pokemon, it still means accounting for a hit animation for every possible move for each pokemon.

(that's about 150 x 300 or so, or worse, 500+ x 300 if all the old pokemon are involved)
Then you need an an attack animation for each pokemon for each attack.
That's something like 3000 animation sequences at the very least.

That level of animation is worse than trying to draw an animated feature film... And that already takes hundreds of people several years to do.

Unless you just meant more elaborate hit and attack animations...

 

[Death God]

I don't care if it is the crappiest pokemon game out there or the best. I've caught every pokemon made up to Diamond and Pearl and I intend to catch them all in this new game. But the game still looks very fun.

 

[Electrogecko]

I'm sorry, but all 3 starter pokemon have a retarded name.

 

[Arehexes]

To everyone worried about the 3D thing, this game does play on the DS and IT IS AWESOME.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

I'm sorry, but all 3 starter pokemon have a retarded name.

Totally agree, but I'm still getting it.

I've been with the games since the beginning, though I skipped buying the Ruby, Sapphire, and Emerald generation. I think when they came out I was a junior in high school and I was more into my console at the time. I did get to play them on an emulator. Another reason I guess I didn't get them was that the people that I played Red, Blue, Yellow, Silver, and Gold with had gotten out of it, and I didn't see a point when I didn't have people to compete against. Though as of late I have two friends that got into the Diamond and Pearl and I ended up buying both, a while back. I also got Heart Gold.

I'm just glad my DS Lite works. Three months or so after I got Diamond and Pearl, I was playing my Diamond, when the screen went blank and after days of testing, the screen just wouldn't work. The only thing I could guess was that it broke when I accidentally dropped it from a foot high on tile flooring. There was a little clinking sound when I moved it around.
Then almost a year later, I found it in an old bag that contained my DS games and stuff, I flicked on the switch with what I thought was naive hope, and poof it works and the screen displays just fine. The only thing I can guess is that some magical Nintendo elves fixed it. It has worked just fine for the past 7 months since it was resurrected, and the clinking sound is somehow gone too. My friend's explanation was that the DS hardware just got tired because I had been playing it too much(more than 600+ hours in the first year of playing it) and needed a long rest.

I pre-ordered White at Game Stop so long ago(middle of summer I think), that I keep forgetting I actually did it, until I see new news about the game.

I think it will be a fresh feeling, since players won't be able to catch any old pokemon until they beat the game.

 

[Comic Sans]

3-on-3 fighting now eh? That'll be...interesting.

No it won't.
It'll be an earthquake festival.

I think it will be kinda fun ^_^

Can't wait, i have loved all pokemon games and this will be no different, by the way Oshawott is awesome in the anime <3

It will be a letdown unless they change the way pokemon actually fight each other in groups ya know like real rpgs groups fight? With 2 on 2 it was easy to notice that nothing was really designed to make the 2 on 2 fight interesting in fact it was barely used at all like it was some sort of gimick.

Triple battles actually have some changes. Where a Pokemon is determines what attacks do. Some attacks only hit the one on the left, or the one on the right. The Pokemon on the sides can only hit certain targets with most attacks, while the one in the middle can hit any of them. Pokemon positions can be swapped in place of making an attack. It's not like doubles where nothing really changes.

As far as the games go, my limited time with them shows that they are quite good. Dream World is kinda iffy, but the rest is pure gold. If you are a fan it's a no brainer, it you haven't played in a while these are the ones to get back on board with.

 

[Sonic Doctor]

Hmm, looks interesting. The fact that Pokemon hasn't changed much since it was first released is actually a selling point to me, so I'm not sure how I'm feeling about the changes. Still, it looks like they kept alot of the old and just made it better, and I know I'm getting Black when I can.

I don't know which pokemon I'm gonna fall in love with, considering there are so many from the other regions. They're gonna have to work hard, though, to beat my love of Shinx/Luxio/Luxray. I mean, he's a Lighting Lion for pete's sake! They'd probably have to make a more liony lion (with a better mane) for me to find anything as awesome .

I'm thinking it would be a fire lion with a mane of flames; I just can't see any other type working. A water lion just sounds weird and a grass lion just doesn't sound ferocious. Maybe a steel lion would be interesting.

Edit: In my Diamond, I don't have level 100's yet, but I have 12 that I have trained from low levels that are level 75's and Luxray is one of them. He was actually a member of my original 6 team that I stuck with until the end. Got him near the beginning and he has been a friend for life.

 

[Swifteye]

Or at least attack and receive damage animations for the characters battle scenes I mean come on how hard is that?

Pretty Damn hard actually. Although that depends on what, precisely you mean by this.

Every attack already has specific hit animations, but if you mean specific attack and hit animations for every move for every pokemon?

Well, you do the math.

Assuming you don't need to see contact between the two pokemon, it still means accounting for a hit animation for every possible move for each pokemon.

(that's about 150 x 300 or so, or worse, 500+ x 300 if all the old pokemon are involved)
Then you need an an attack animation for each pokemon for each attack.
That's something like 3000 animation sequences at the very least.

That level of animation is worse than trying to draw an animated feature film... And that already takes hundreds of people several years to do.

Unless you just meant more elaborate hit and attack animations...

Well seeing that pokemon is a franchise that makes incredible amounts of money I would think no feat would be impossible but it doesn't have to be a detailed reaction. Dragon quest monsters joker has attack and taking attack animation. every creature has at least four or so animations that pretty much express when it's trying to attack taking a hit or something in between.

 

[TerranReaper]

Having seen videos, the story is a bit better IMO. However, the stats for the starters are horrid, I'm really considering on not keeping them around, maybe except for Tepig, since his last evolution (Fire/Fighting) makes him a bit better.

From what i have heard Snivy dosn't sound so bad, he gets Leaf Storm and an abilty that reverses stat changes so he can just spam one of the highest powered grass moves and get stronger while doing so.

I've heard of that too, although from certain sources, that seems to be the only thing going for Jaroda (I think that's his name) and I predict some special walls can probably counter it. Who knows.

 

[Swifteye]

3-on-3 fighting now eh? That'll be...interesting.

No it won't.
It'll be an earthquake festival.

I think it will be kinda fun ^_^

Can't wait, i have loved all pokemon games and this will be no different, by the way Oshawott is awesome in the anime <3

It will be a letdown unless they change the way pokemon actually fight each other in groups ya know like real rpgs groups fight? With 2 on 2 it was easy to notice that nothing was really designed to make the 2 on 2 fight interesting in fact it was barely used at all like it was some sort of gimick.

Triple battles actually have some changes. Where a Pokemon is determines what attacks do. Some attacks only hit the one on the left, or the one on the right. The Pokemon on the sides can only hit certain targets with most attacks, while the one in the middle can hit any of them. Pokemon positions can be swapped in place of making an attack. It's not like doubles where nothing really changes.

As far as the games go, my limited time with them shows that they are quite good. Dream World is kinda iffy, but the rest is pure gold. If you are a fan it's a no brainer, it you haven't played in a while these are the ones to get back on board with.

Dream world? I was a fan a big one in fact but then around diamond and pearl I abandoned ship. I came back for heart gold and soul silver only to find out why I left. In the time that I was gone the game got more complicated with the theory of just shoving more of the same elements in making things harder to discern and make out. This new version has more. More pokemon to guess what there weakness are only to be totally blinded sided. More battles with gym leaders of increasingly obscure gym themes. More pokemon to catch. More rare pokemon to frustrate yourself over as you have a frozen on ehp creature that still refuses to be caught by the best balls money can buy sans the master ball itself.

that battle system though. It just reminds me of rpgs like wild arms and legaia where they change up the battle system from standard fold to set themselves apart but in hindsight it doesn't add anything and a more intuitive battle system would far outbeat a more outlandish one.

I still like pokemon though but I can't deal with those games for being a kids rpg it's one of the most easily confusing and frustrating things i've been through. Once you beat the game all the battles dry up all the events disapear all you do is grind for whatevers left to exploit in the game but grinding is impossible since the game is always making sure you never get a chance to win if you do you get the least amount of experience possible.

When I played red blue and yellow as a kid it was fun and easy to play but hard to master. Now I don't believe you can play this game at all and get far without a guide and the action replay.

 

[Comic Sans]

3-on-3 fighting now eh? That'll be...interesting.

No it won't.
It'll be an earthquake festival.

I think it will be kinda fun ^_^

Can't wait, i have loved all pokemon games and this will be no different, by the way Oshawott is awesome in the anime <3

It will be a letdown unless they change the way pokemon actually fight each other in groups ya know like real rpgs groups fight? With 2 on 2 it was easy to notice that nothing was really designed to make the 2 on 2 fight interesting in fact it was barely used at all like it was some sort of gimick.

Triple battles actually have some changes. Where a Pokemon is determines what attacks do. Some attacks only hit the one on the left, or the one on the right. The Pokemon on the sides can only hit certain targets with most attacks, while the one in the middle can hit any of them. Pokemon positions can be swapped in place of making an attack. It's not like doubles where nothing really changes.

As far as the games go, my limited time with them shows that they are quite good. Dream World is kinda iffy, but the rest is pure gold. If you are a fan it's a no brainer, it you haven't played in a while these are the ones to get back on board with.

Dream world? I was a fan a big one in fact but then around diamond and pearl I abandoned ship. I came back for heart gold and soul silver only to find out why I left. In the time that I was gone the game got more complicated with the theory of just shoving more of the same elements in making things harder to discern and make out. This new version has more. More pokemon to guess what there weakness are only to be totally blinded sided. More battles with gym leaders of increasingly obscure gym themes. More pokemon to catch. More rare pokemon to frustrate yourself over as you have a frozen on ehp creature that still refuses to be caught by the best balls money can buy sans the master ball itself.

that battle system though. It just reminds me of rpgs like wild arms and legaia where they change up the battle system from standard fold to set themselves apart but in hindsight it doesn't add anything and a more intuitive battle system would far outbeat a more outlandish one.

I still like pokemon though but I can't deal with those games for being a kids rpg it's one of the most easily confusing and frustrating things i've been through. Once you beat the game all the battles dry up all the events disapear all you do is grind for whatevers left to exploit in the game but grinding is impossible since the game is always making sure you never get a chance to win if you do you get the least amount of experience possible.

When I played red blue and yellow as a kid it was fun and easy to play but hard to master. Now I don't believe you can play this game at all and get far without a guide and the action replay.

I'm not sure what you're getting at. They added more features, and that's bad? Really, I don't understand what's so complex about it. It's a game with an incredibly low entry level. 10 year olds can pick up the game and play it at it's basics. None of the features added are overwhelming for a casual playthrough. All that's really been added that affects single player is their passive abilities and the physical/special attack split, which really isn't that hard to get. There have been no new types added since Gold and Silver, so learning what the Pokemon types is shouldn't get you "blindsided" and cause headaches, since once you know their type you know what's good against them and what isn't, barring the occasional ability like Levitate, which should only surprise you once. Granted, serious multiplayer against the dedicated requires a lot of research and such, but once you start to figure it out it becomes quite simple. The basics are dirt simple. That's what makes Pokemon great. Low entry level, high skill bar.

I haven't done any 3v3 battles but from what people tell me that aren't that complex. You learn quickly what can hit where and put together strategies that take advantage of it. And it's not like that's the standard battle mode. I don't see the problem with adding a new battle mode that is not the main one, and only crops up occasionally in single player.

Again, I'm not sure I get your complaints. Pokemon is insanely easy to learn. Any kid can pick up the single player and get through it, and they do. If you want to get hardcore into the competitive scene, yeah it's damn complex, but casual play against friends and single player has an incredibly shallow learning curve. All the changes have been good, as they are seamlessly integrated into the game as to improve it without changing it up too much. It's a lot of little things that add a lot. I don't see how it requires a guide to get through.

 

[C117]

Well, it LOOKS like it could be awesome, but I'm gonna save my enthusiasm for when they reveal a pokémon-game with a decent story...

 

[Buizel91]

3-on-3 fighting now eh? That'll be...interesting.

No it won't.
It'll be an earthquake festival.

I think it will be kinda fun ^_^

Can't wait, i have loved all pokemon games and this will be no different, by the way Oshawott is awesome in the anime <3

It will be a letdown unless they change the way pokemon actually fight each other in groups ya know like real rpgs groups fight? With 2 on 2 it was easy to notice that nothing was really designed to make the 2 on 2 fight interesting in fact it was barely used at all like it was some sort of gimick.

This trailor is literally the coolest part of that game. The 3D enviroment will be plenty used and it will look good but that's not adding anything the game will still be very shallow. Very messy. and honestly with the adition of 3d graphics it will not look very good(3d and nintendo handhelds just don't work). You might like it but i'd like a real change that it's a little more than skin deep. Or at least attack and receive damage animations for the characters battle scenes I mean come on how hard is that?

Why would they change it? don't fix that is not broken. The Pokemon games may get boring after a few hours straight, but they are not shallow, far from it.

Plus...non of us have played it, how do you Nintendo has not added something new to the formula?

 

[Buizel91]

Hmm, looks interesting. The fact that Pokemon hasn't changed much since it was first released is actually a selling point to me, so I'm not sure how I'm feeling about the changes. Still, it looks like they kept alot of the old and just made it better, and I know I'm getting Black when I can.

I don't know which pokemon I'm gonna fall in love with, considering there are so many from the other regions. They're gonna have to work hard, though, to beat my love of Shinx/Luxio/Luxray. I mean, he's a Lighting Lion for pete's sake! They'd probably have to make a more liony lion (with a better mane) for me to find anything as awesome .

I'm thinking it would be a fire lion with a mane of flames; I just can't see any other type working. A water lion just sounds weird and a grass lion just doesn't sound ferocious. Maybe a steel lion would be interesting.

Edit: In my Diamond, I don't have level 100's yet, but I have 12 that I have trained from low levels that are level 75's and Luxray is one of them. He was actually a member of my original 6 team that I stuck with until the end. Got him near the beginning and he has been a friend for life.

Same with me and my Ampharos, had him since he was a level 6 Mareep and now he is a level 70 called Zeus

Zeus used Thunder!

 

[Buizel91]

these games are super story intensive if previews from various websites are to be believed. You apparently run into the main bad guys and both your rivals at almost every new town you come across.

I hope so. But, of course, quantity doesn't necessarily mean quality. It'd be really cool if the new games' narrative would have some sort of substance, rather than just the typical "We-are-bad-so-let's-have-Pokemon-battles" stuff from past entries.

Team Plasma aren't actually bad, they are trying to stop Pokemon from being "Slaves" to people. so it should be quite interesting.

 

[Olrod]

I may get this, or at least get the combined remake "Pokemon Grey" when it comes out in a year or so (and you know it will).

 

[Buizel91]

You know Pokemon is beginning to fail as a good franchise when....

....they name one of their pokemon Tepig.

*headdesk*

Right, because Tepig is much worse than Ekans, Muk, or Mr. Mime. *eye roll*

There have been bad names since the first generation, just like there have been bad designs since the first generation. The crowd of people claiming that the new monsters/names are terrible compared to the old games each time a new game comes out is really getting old now.

And now I'll tell you why I consider Tepig bad and all the others are better.

Ekans: It took me...I think it was this year to figure out it was snake backwards
Muk: I just liked how it went with the thing.
Mr. Mime: We don't see much Mimes anymore!

Ok, now what about Lickitung or Seal...

Hell you know what, how about Zubat...how is Zubat different from Tepig...

 

[Buizel91]

I am super exicted over black and white I am totally looking forward to the 3D graphics and thr dream world I have been saying they should do some kind of use of the internet I mean look at all those "fan" MMOs out there DW wasnt what I was thinking they would do but its still awesome (expt the 1 hour a day limit)

my only 2 complaints are the 3 on 3 battles and that they didn't hold it back and make it for the 3DS

Urm...Black and White is for the 3DS...unless how could it be 3D?

 

[Buizel91]

I've heard from the Japanese reviews that the games are terrible.

The Japanese review says the games are great, where have you been reading? Japan saying Pokemon is bad is like Hitler saying the Jews are gods...