bluegate said:
- If Nintendo requested the nominees be pulled, it's Nintendo directly getting them pulled.
And that's still an 'If'. You are jumping the gun and blaming Nintendo for something that you have zero confirmation of them doing.
- If the organizers of the award show pulled them, it's because of fear for retaliation from Nintendo. Nintendo getting them pulled indirectly.
And that's still an 'If' on your part. The organizers could of pulled it for a multitude of reasons, and 'being afraid of Nintendo' is just a major assumption on your part. They had no issues slapping the face of Konami last year. And they are still a rather huge gaming company
If it's the creators asking them to get pulled, it's because of fear for retaliation from Nintendo. Nintendo getting them pulled indirectly.
They already got 'retaliated' by Nintendo by being dumb enough to set up a Patreon to make monthly income off of a fan game. I would like to point out that Pokemon company doesn't really give a shit about these games. There are ten million ROM hack fan games using assets directly form previous games that Pokemon Let's Players stream a bazillion times and they are never taken down.
For fucks sakes this website http://pokemonshowdown.com/ is literally a battle simulation using stats, assets, code, etc. Directly from the game that tournament players use ALL THE TIME and it was never taken down.
Quite frankly any game that's on there that got a C&D order shouldn't' of been nominated to begin with. This is on top of the fact that Pokemon Uranium was a shit game even for Pokemon ROM standards and ASMR2 was literally a by the book remake of a game that already exists. As much as I appreciate the work that went into the latter, why should Pokemon Uranium have a shot of getting a fan game reward period when it was hot garbage? The latter one didn't have an original story whatsoever it was just a better artwork version of an existing game.
When I think of fan games I think of games that are original but use the characters and settings of another IP. Uranium fits this, but it's also garbage and they were already in hot water for trying to
profit over this.
In any case, the games are pulled under threat of Nintendo.
You literally don't know this. Nobody knows this. You are just straight assuming it and saying that it's true.
But this isn't about pointing out what dicks Nintendo can be or assigning blame to Nintendo,
And yet you are adamant on stating that Nintendo either had a direct or indirect influence on these games being taken down.
the point is that two games that one of their sponsors has a problem with are pulled from the nominee list.
You state this isn't about Nintendo yet once again repeat that they were pulled because Nintendo might of had issues with it.
It is about the integrity of the 'game awards' show. The two games were in the category called "best fan creation", and within the realm of fan creations, these games did bloody well and should be able to be credited for it, regardless of whether they used names or assets from licensed products, something which is to be expected in a fan creation.
If this is honestly the best fan creations have to offer than I got a few suggestions for them.
1) To the organizers who nominate these games. Do better and know better about the legalities of these games. They shouldn't be nominated simply because they are popular.
2)I will never understand how videogame fan devs can't seem to wrap their damn minds around the most basic fucking copyright laws and still whine about it.
AM2R- Good work- but the game was an almost 1-1 remake of a game that
already exists on the market and is still being sold by it's original company You knew (and they did know) that they were baiting the C&D hammer big time with that and they did it anyway. You could of used that blood, sweat, and effort making an ACTUAL fan game and having real Fair Use grounds to stand on. (In fact you would most likely be left alone.) Fans of the game also know this too. If fan game creators care that much about their games staying up for more than 4 hours than be fucking smart about it and not do this shit. Why do people assume that basic copyright laws don't' apply to them?
Pokemon Uranium- You would of gotten away scot free with your game like the 10 million other ROM hack fan games out there revolving around Pokemon but you had to take a dip in the moron pool and set up a monthly Patreon income drive
which means you were directly making a profit off of an IP that doesn't belong to you. You cannot tell me they didn't see that mess coming from a mile away.
Like I get that they were popular fangames, but if you want to talk about integrity than you also have to take into account the legal integrity of the games as well.
Both of these games had shit in there that would cause problems in the future for more incriminating fan games.
The first one-while a fan game- was also making an illegal profit. As such it got shot down.
The second one was a remake of a game already selling and still on the market with zero changes. That's a very bad standard to set since you would just have award nominations that are basically 'remake of nostalgic game that already exists.'
Honestly they should exclude fan game category all together until they can find people that can either A) Know how to find and nominate games that don't have dozens of legal or C&D baggage is or B)Until the vast majority gamers and fan gamer devs can understand what constitutes and fanart and 'fair use' and what's a big target for 'please shut me down the moment Kotaku reports it' bait.