Politicians Amend Controversial CISPA Security Bill

[Irridium]

Yo folks, some good news. It seems Obama is threatening to veto the bill.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/cispa-cybersecurity-bill-veto-threat-obama/story?id=16214940#.T5h0LqtYsa4

So... there's still hope.

 

[Weaver]

Doesn't the bill, as it stands, essentially allow for corporations to give your private data to the government and other corporations as well?

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Well, even if this bill gets shot down, which hopefully it does, the dumbass brigade will try again.

We need a more permanent solution to this kinda problem. A way to kill the Hydra and take out all its heads in one blow, if you will.

So what you're saying is, we need to gather up the politicians who support these bills, and set them on fire?

I'm game. I'll grab the oil and torches.

 

[Farther than stars]

According to reports, the amended bill restricts the government's ability to collect data to situations which involve stopping "cybersecurity, investigating and prosecuting cyber crime, protecting individuals from death or serious bodily harm, protecting minors from child pornography, and ensuring national security."

Not that I want to piss on everyone's hate parade, but don't these sound like legitimate reasons to breach someone's privacy? Also, why is it that everyone is so concerned about the internet being this ultimate sanctuary of privacy, when the right to privacy isn't even properly defined in the U.S. constitution? Because to me that really seems like an issue that should be addressed first.

 

[Farther than stars]

Looks like for the low amount responses here, there is less apatite to try to stop this one. Shame. If I was American I would.

that's because after SOPA/PIPA, everyone declared victory. They were so loud at self-congratulating, they drowned out everything else. And then they went back to the holding pattern of ignorance that has slowly eroded our freedoms since, just like before.

Also corporations like Facebook and Microsoft rallied people to be against SOPA and PIPA. It seems like this time they agree with the bill.

 

[TheDoctor455]

Well, even if this bill gets shot down, which hopefully it does, the dumbass brigade will try again.

We need a more permanent solution to this kinda problem. A way to kill the Hydra and take out all its heads in one blow, if you will.

Hmm... at least its sponsors are trying to fix the problems with it at all. That's more than we can say of the authors of PIPA and SOPA.

But, yes, we do need a better way of getting rid of this kind of thing.

One of the main issues, as I see it, is that the U.S. Constitution doesn't explicitly guarantee us the right to privacy, under any circumstances. Rather, it only implies that right through the First and Fourth Amendments. I think we need an Amendment that DOES explicitly give us the right to privacy.

 

[ElPatron]

You seem to be forgetting about ACTA. You know, the widely ignored bill of Europe that threatened the internet just as much as SOPA and PIPA and why do Americans only care about shit if it's in their own damned yard.

Seriously? They have no obligation to care about us because we brought this upon ourselves.

In the EU, any Constitution is simply irrelevant. We basically have no rights and they have a huge battle ahead.

Why would they care?

Not that I want to piss on everyone's hate parade, but don't these sound like legitimate reasons to breach someone's privacy? Also, why is it that everyone is so concerned about the internet being this ultimate sanctuary of privacy, when the right to privacy isn't even properly defined in the U.S. constitution? Because to me that really seems like an issue that should be addressed first.

The Bill of Rights, however, reflects the concern of James Madison and other framers for protecting specific aspects of privacy, such as the privacy of beliefs (1st Amendment), privacy of the home against demands that it be used to house soldiers (3rd Amendment), privacy of the person and possessions as against unreasonable searches (4th Amendment), and the 5th Amendment's privilege against self-incrimination, which provides protection for the privacy of personal information. In addition, the Ninth Amendment states that the "enumeration of certain rights" in the Bill of Rights "shall not be construed to deny or disparage other rights retained by the people."

 

[DanDeFool]

Naive question. How exactly does this information help the US government stop hackers?

They can't just send Seal Team 6 into China to tie up their hackers and drag them back to the states for trial (or Guantanamo Bay, for thatmatter). I don't know much about international law, or cybersecurity, but I don't understand how gathering all this information solves the problem of enforcement.

Unless the accused lives in the United States. Then the FBI kicks in your door and hauls you off to Leavenworth.

Again, naive question, but why doesn't Congress just appropriate some cash to google or a national lab to develop software that tracks and blocks all traffic originating in a specific country (e.g., China, since we seem to know those guys are the problem) and sell it to US companies to protect their cyber assets. Seems to me like a technical solution would be better suited to this problem, but know fuck-all about cybersecurity, so maybe it isn't even possible to do that.

 

[Hammartroll]

Yo folks, some good news. It seems Obama is threatening to veto the bill.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/cispa-cybersecurity-bill-veto-threat-obama/story?id=16214940#.T5h0LqtYsa4

So... there's still hope.

I believe we've seen this before, he won't veto

 

[CardinalPiggles]

Let them have it if you have nothing to hide...

 

[Vardermir]

You seem to be forgetting about ACTA. You know, the widely ignored bill of Europe that threatened the internet just as much as SOPA and PIPA and why do Americans only care about shit if it's in their own damned yard.

Well, the only things I can say here are that I'm not American, and ACTA has nothing to do CISPA being amended. As regards ACTA specifically, I'm (personally) waiting on the EU's verdict in June. There'll definitely be a report on that. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the US signed up to ACTA too?

So don't worry, nobody's forgotten.

Yes, ACTA is indeed an international treaty. President Obama signed it into law as an executive order, under the claim that it basically does everything the DMCA does, which is why he doesn't need congressional approval to enter into the treaty. Which is entirely unconstitutional, but hey, when has that ever stopped politicians before?

 

[Vausch]

Bills like this make me think we need some kind of system where we can fire and ban the politician. Recall elections are close but it doesn't quite help if the rep isn't from my state.

 

[Devil's Due]

To address these fears, Reps. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.) and Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.), the bill's sponsors, set about amending the legislation and this week presented a version of CISPA which they say is much friendlier towards the rights of the internet-browsing individual. According to reports, the amended bill restricts the government's ability to collect data to situations which involve stopping "cybersecurity, investigating and prosecuting cyber crime, protecting individuals from death or serious bodily harm, protecting minors from child pornography, and ensuring national security."

Uhh... Escapists, I've been a huge anti-SOPA and PIPA person on these boards, and generally am very unhappy with how these bills are being made and passed. But I searched through the bill, read majority of it and understood most of it, and also keyword searched through it.

There really isn't anything to fear. There was no mention of finding people for death or serious bodily harm, protecting against child porngraphy, nothing like that. Seriously, try and use the Find button on the bill and no such terms as "death, serious, bodily, harm, child, minor, pornography, porn" etc come up. Ever.

I think people really need to calm down and quit with the media fear. We blame Fox News of attacking everything with fear, but we ourselves seem to do it too when we post up claiming everything is SOPA equivalents.

Read the bill yourselves: http://rules.house.gov/media/file/PDF_112_2/LegislativeText/CPRT-112-HPRT-RU00-HR3523.pdf

It even says in Page 10 Section A (line 23 on that page for you folks) that if it the Government screws up in any way with this law, it'll pay all your fees, reimburse you, and give you $1,000 for the error and then void any charges against you because of it.

Lets all take a step back from the rage and maybe understand why it's passed so well now when previous bills didn't, and with support of companies that previously didn't support such bills... maybe because it's actually a good version?

Come on, now. (Prepares flameshield for those who won't read the bill and claim I'm some Fed in disguise)

TLDR: Bring me the sections that support these claims it's another SOPA, tell me the page, section, and line, and I'll agree then if you're correct.

 

[wgar]

I thought America got over McCarthyism and the 'ZOMG COMMUNISTS ARE ALL BAD AND ALL OUT TO GET US' scare like, 40 years ago after people didn't like who was being prosecuted?

Looks like they haven't, because THE DAMN CHINESE GUVMINT IS AT IT AGAIN!

'??(1) LIMITATION.?The Federal Government
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may use cyber threat information shared with the
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Federal Government in accordance with subsection
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(b) for any lawful purpose only if?
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??(A) the use of such information is not for
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a regulatory purpose; and
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??(B) at least one significant purpose of the
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use of such information is?
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??(i) a cybersecurity purpose; or
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??(ii) the protection of the national se-
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curity of the United States. '

Does that not sound like they give themselves a 'get out of jail free card' for spying on foreigners, then implementing their infamous black bag-style policy for extradition(we arrest you, then you're never allowed in our SUPER DUPER country that you've never been to again!)

 

[renegade7]

Ummm...worreid about 'cyber threats?'

Get some fuckin' antivirus software. Duh.

 

[Saviordd1]

Yo folks, some good news. It seems Obama is threatening to veto the bill.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/cispa-cybersecurity-bill-veto-threat-obama/story?id=16214940#.T5h0LqtYsa4

So... there's still hope.

There is a god.

OT: Seriously, does our government really ignore us THAT much? Jesus christ.

 

[aPod]

According to reports, the amended bill restricts the government's ability to collect data to situations which involve stopping "cybersecurity, investigating and prosecuting cyber crime, protecting individuals from death or serious bodily harm, protecting minors from child pornography, and ensuring national security."

Not that I want to piss on everyone's hate parade, but don't these sound like legitimate reasons to breach someone's privacy? Also, why is it that everyone is so concerned about the internet being this ultimate sanctuary of privacy, when the right to privacy isn't even properly defined in the U.S. constitution? Because to me that really seems like an issue that should be addressed first.

Yes,

WITH A WARRANT.

You know, where the "Insert Government Agency Here" goes to a judge and proves they have due course to breach your privacy. It creates a sort of "accountability" and keeps citizens safe from unwarranted and unnecessary government overreach.

Protect your rights.

 

[Zer_]

You seem to be forgetting about ACTA. You know, the widely ignored bill of Europe that threatened the internet just as much as SOPA and PIPA and why do Americans only care about shit if it's in their own damned yard.

ACTA has pretty much been shut down. After most of the EU countries backed out, it sort of just died out.

CISPA isn't about piracy at all, it's about allowing net corporations to give personal information to government agencies without risking legal action. Long story short, it skips the need for a warrant altogether.

 

[Something Amyss]

Also corporations like Facebook and Microsoft rallied people to be against SOPA and PIPA. It seems like this time they agree with the bill.

Yeah, that didn't hurt. However, with or without corporations, people tend to jump on one injustice for a few minutes and then move on as though the rest don't exist. KONY, for example. Or the Occupy bandwagon. Hell, nothing was solved there and 99% of the 99% (see what I did there) have moved on.

Still, point taken and you're right.