[Politics] A captain of a Detention Facility in RI drove a truck into Protesters [NSFW]

[ObsidianJones_v1legacy]

Wasn't what I expected. Dude slowly rolled forward to the employee entrance ppl moved then backup arrived and people dispersed. Probably should have just stopped in front then deployed pepper spray etc. Would have been better for optics.

Assemble protest etc more power to you and your cause, but once you start interfering with other peoples legal activities then I lose sympathy when someone cries foul for getting pepper sprayed or whatnot.

Didn?t take long for the victim blaming to happen.

I think some people fail to understand what peacefully protesting actually is and what they actually are trying to accomplish here. Like when people protest they are supposed to go do it quietly out of the way allowing whatever they are protesting to just continue with them unnoticed...

It is like people have never heard of what happens during a Worker's Union strike and see our history of what people had to actually do to stop horrific human right's abuses (which this currently is) and get pay and benefits for workers at all. This world would be a hell of a lot worse than it is if we had not had the many people willing to peacefully block the way to make these things change. Yes they do often get arrested, but having them threatened, attacked, run over and harmed should not be seen as acceptable in any way.

More to the point, I don't think people understand the definition of Vehicular Assault [https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/traffic-offenses/vehicular-assault/]. Which is weird, since I put it in my original Post.

Vehicular assault is a form of assault that involves the use of a vehicle to cause another person harm or threaten him or her with harm. The crime of vehicular assault often accompanies other traffic offenses. For instance, if a driver acts recklessly by operating a vehicle at an excessive speed and injures a pedestrian or another driver in the process, he or she may be liable for both reckless driving and vehicular assault. Other common traffic offenses that may lead to vehicular assault charges include driving while under the influence and driving without a license.

Also what I think other people might understand is that being in 'The Right' of a situation only extends so far as you continue to be on the correct side of the Law.

As average citizens, One has the right to call the cops on people who are not getting physical, but they are still barring one's lawful progress into a situation or location. That's fine. We're all agreed on that.

One is not allowed to pull out a knife, a bat, a gun, or yes even one's vehicle as a response to being simply barred from a situation and/or a location. That is escalation. We as citizens are only allowed to respond with the amount of force you are greeted with. Any gun course will tell you that. Police training (at least when I took it) tells you that as well.

 

[Erttheking]

Wasn't what I expected. Dude slowly rolled forward to the employee entrance ppl moved then backup arrived and people dispersed. Probably should have just stopped in front then deployed pepper spray etc. Would have been better for optics.

Assemble protest etc more power to you and your cause, but once you start interfering with other peoples legal activities then I lose sympathy when someone cries foul for getting pepper sprayed or whatnot.

Didn?t take long for the victim blaming to happen.

I think some people fail to understand what peacefully protesting actually is and what they actually are trying to accomplish here. Like when people protest they are supposed to go do it quietly out of the way allowing whatever they are protesting to just continue with them unnoticed...

It is like people have never heard of what happens during a Worker's Union strike and see our history of what people had to actually do to stop horrific human right's abuses (which this currently is) and get pay and benefits for workers at all. This world would be a hell of a lot worse than it is if we had not had the many people willing to peacefully block the way to make these things change. Yes they do often get arrested, but having them threatened, attacked, run over and harmed should not be seen as acceptable in any way.

That?s what a lot of people want. A lot of people care more about the absence of tension than that presence of justice.

 

[Saelune]

Wasn't what I expected. Dude slowly rolled forward to the employee entrance ppl moved then backup arrived and people dispersed. Probably should have just stopped in front then deployed pepper spray etc. Would have been better for optics.

Assemble protest etc more power to you and your cause, but once you start interfering with other peoples legal activities then I lose sympathy when someone cries foul for getting pepper sprayed or whatnot.

From the OP:

Around 10 p.m., a dark pickup truck "intentionally swerved into a line of protesters, including at least three minors, who were seated across from the entrance" to the facility, the group said in its statement.

"Two people were treated for injuries from the truck, including 64-year-old Jerry Belair, who suffered a fractured leg and internal bleeding," organizer Amy Anthony told CNN in an email.

He apparently didn't have to swerve into the protestors at all, let alone fracture a guys leg. We obviously cannot see what is happening on the other side of the Truck.

It does however seem that any actual injuries were caused not by the swerve but by the people continuing to stand in front of his truck after they honked at them to get out of the way.

'I didn't punch him, I just walked forward with my fist out towards him, its his fault for hitting my fist with his face'.

 

[Lil devils x_v1legacy]

Wasn't what I expected. Dude slowly rolled forward to the employee entrance ppl moved then backup arrived and people dispersed. Probably should have just stopped in front then deployed pepper spray etc. Would have been better for optics.

Assemble protest etc more power to you and your cause, but once you start interfering with other peoples legal activities then I lose sympathy when someone cries foul for getting pepper sprayed or whatnot.

Didn?t take long for the victim blaming to happen.

I think some people fail to understand what peacefully protesting actually is and what they actually are trying to accomplish here. Like when people protest they are supposed to go do it quietly out of the way allowing whatever they are protesting to just continue with them unnoticed...

It is like people have never heard of what happens during a Worker's Union strike and see our history of what people had to actually do to stop horrific human right's abuses (which this currently is) and get pay and benefits for workers at all. This world would be a hell of a lot worse than it is if we had not had the many people willing to peacefully block the way to make these things change. Yes they do often get arrested, but having them threatened, attacked, run over and harmed should not be seen as acceptable in any way.

More to the point, I don't think people understand the definition of Vehicular Assault [https://www.justia.com/criminal/offenses/traffic-offenses/vehicular-assault/]. Which is weird, since I put it in my original Post.

Vehicular assault is a form of assault that involves the use of a vehicle to cause another person harm or threaten him or her with harm. The crime of vehicular assault often accompanies other traffic offenses. For instance, if a driver acts recklessly by operating a vehicle at an excessive speed and injures a pedestrian or another driver in the process, he or she may be liable for both reckless driving and vehicular assault. Other common traffic offenses that may lead to vehicular assault charges include driving while under the influence and driving without a license.

Also what I think other people might understand is that being in 'The Right' of a situation only extends so far as you continue to be on the correct side of the Law.

As average citizens, One has the right to call the cops on people who are not getting physical, but they are still barring one's lawful progress into a situation or location. That's fine. We're all agreed on that.

One is not allowed to pull out a knife, a bat, a gun, or yes even one's vehicle as a response to being simply barred from a situation and/or a location. That is escalation. We as citizens are only allowed to respond with the amount of force you are greeted with. Any gun course will tell you that. Police training (at least when I took it) tells you that as well.

That is why I asked why he wasn't arrested. IDC if you have a badge or not, you assault someone with your car, you should be arrested and they can sort out whether it was warranted or not in court. Not just give them a pass because they " are one of them". BS.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

An elderly man did not move fast enough from sitting on the ground so he should be made to move faster?

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

From what I saw, everyone that was sitting before the truck pulled up that would have gotten run over was up on their feet when the truck started driving into them.

Let me come into this differently. How I feel about this incident will entirely depend on what the people involved in it say. If the protestors (Especially the injured ones) come out and say that, yes, they got injured and will take it and go back out to protest, if they physically can, because they believe in this cause and want people to look at this and see it as an example of what's happening, then bravo. That is protesting, taking it on the chin and getting right back up and saying this is an example of how right their cause is, that will make me say, you go guys, fight for what you believe in.

If they instead come back and whine about it, like, how DARE they do this, or something like that? Then I'm going to say they are dumb because you don't stand in front of a car when it's coming down on you like that if you don't want to get injured.

The driver also should not have slammed into those people. vehicle safety is a two way street, both drivers and pedestrians need to follow the proper code of conduct and he clearly didn't. If the driver comes back and says they did wrong, like, REALLY comes out and says they did wrong, then good, you understand that you just fucked up big time. If they come back and have no sympathy for the people they hurt, then screw them.

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

 

[Erttheking]

If they instead come back and whine about it, like, how DARE they do this, or something like that? Then I'm going to say they are dumb because you don't stand in front of a car when it's coming down on you like that if you don't want to get injured.

If they're outraged, good. They have the right to be outraged when a chuckfuck rammed his car into them without just cause.

The world isn't divided between non-protestors and martyrs. In fact, a strong sense of recognizing injustice is what inspires a lot of people to go out and protest.

"Turning the other cheek" is over romanticized garbage.

 

[Saelune]

An elderly man did not move fast enough from sitting on the ground so he should be made to move faster?

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

From what I saw, everyone that was sitting before the truck pulled up that would have gotten run over was up on their feet when the truck started driving into them.

Let me come into this differently. How I feel about this incident will entirely depend on what the people involved in it say. If the protestors (Especially the injured ones) come out and say that, yes, they got injured and will take it and go back out to protest, if they physically can, because they believe in this cause and want people to look at this and see it as an example of what's happening, then bravo. That is protesting, taking it on the chin and getting right back up and saying this is an example of how right their cause is, that will make me say, you go guys, fight for what you believe in.

If they instead come back and whine about it, like, how DARE they do this, or something like that? Then I'm going to say they are dumb because you don't stand in front of a car when it's coming down on you like that if you don't want to get injured.

The driver also should not have slammed into those people. vehicle safety is a two way street, both drivers and pedestrians need to follow the proper code of conduct and he clearly didn't. If the driver comes back and says they did wrong, like, REALLY comes out and says they did wrong, then good, you understand that you just fucked up big time. If they come back and have no sympathy for the people they hurt, then screw them.

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

You're mad at them because they had the nerve to believe that the driver would not hurt them? That they believed this driver would not be so horrible as to run over them? That is what you are faulting them for? For thinking better of this person?

 

[Marik2]

bluegate, this is why muricans dont want to go and protest.

 

[Dirty Hipsters]

People are way too comfortable with cars, and don't seem to realize just how potentially deadly they really are. A car is a several tons of metal, contains a flammable/explosive liquid, and is capable of driving over 100mph.

Perhaps if the detention officer had been threatening the protestors with a gun there would be a lot more of a reaction to this and that's a messed up double standard. A car being used as a weapon IS A WEAPON and this incident shouldn't be treated lightly. He should have been arrested immediately.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

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You base the morality of whether its wrong or not to run people over on how they react to said running over? Hows that make any sense? They could be massive dickheads it still doesn't make running over them any less bad.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

If they instead come back and whine about it, like, how DARE they do this, or something like that? Then I'm going to say they are dumb because you don't stand in front of a car when it's coming down on you like that if you don't want to get injured.

If they're outraged, good. They have the right to be outraged when a chuckfuck rammed his car into them without just cause.

The world isn't divided between non-protestors and martyrs. In fact, a strong sense of recognizing injustice is what inspires a lot of people to go out and protest.

"Turning the other cheek" is over romanticized garbage.

An elderly man did not move fast enough from sitting on the ground so he should be made to move faster?

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

From what I saw, everyone that was sitting before the truck pulled up that would have gotten run over was up on their feet when the truck started driving into them.

Let me come into this differently. How I feel about this incident will entirely depend on what the people involved in it say. If the protestors (Especially the injured ones) come out and say that, yes, they got injured and will take it and go back out to protest, if they physically can, because they believe in this cause and want people to look at this and see it as an example of what's happening, then bravo. That is protesting, taking it on the chin and getting right back up and saying this is an example of how right their cause is, that will make me say, you go guys, fight for what you believe in.

If they instead come back and whine about it, like, how DARE they do this, or something like that? Then I'm going to say they are dumb because you don't stand in front of a car when it's coming down on you like that if you don't want to get injured.

The driver also should not have slammed into those people. vehicle safety is a two way street, both drivers and pedestrians need to follow the proper code of conduct and he clearly didn't. If the driver comes back and says they did wrong, like, REALLY comes out and says they did wrong, then good, you understand that you just fucked up big time. If they come back and have no sympathy for the people they hurt, then screw them.

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

You're mad at them because they had the nerve to believe that the driver would not hurt them? That they believed this driver would not be so horrible as to run over them? That is what you are faulting them for? For thinking better of this person?

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You base the morality of whether its wrong or not to run people over on how they react to said running over? Hows that make any sense? They could be massive dickheads it still doesn't make running over them any less bad.

What? I gave all of you my separate opinion on the protestors and the driver. The driver clearly is in the wrong here. They saw those people, knew they were there and ran into them, that's on them, they fucked up big time when they decided to do that. With the protestors, I think it's dumb that once it was obvious that he was off-kilter that they continued to stand in front of the truck.

These are separate opinions. My opinion that the protestors should have moved does not mean I do not think that the driver is well and truly at fault here.

 

[Erttheking]

If they instead come back and whine about it, like, how DARE they do this, or something like that? Then I'm going to say they are dumb because you don't stand in front of a car when it's coming down on you like that if you don't want to get injured.

If they're outraged, good. They have the right to be outraged when a chuckfuck rammed his car into them without just cause.

The world isn't divided between non-protestors and martyrs. In fact, a strong sense of recognizing injustice is what inspires a lot of people to go out and protest.

"Turning the other cheek" is over romanticized garbage.

An elderly man did not move fast enough from sitting on the ground so he should be made to move faster?

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

From what I saw, everyone that was sitting before the truck pulled up that would have gotten run over was up on their feet when the truck started driving into them.

Let me come into this differently. How I feel about this incident will entirely depend on what the people involved in it say. If the protestors (Especially the injured ones) come out and say that, yes, they got injured and will take it and go back out to protest, if they physically can, because they believe in this cause and want people to look at this and see it as an example of what's happening, then bravo. That is protesting, taking it on the chin and getting right back up and saying this is an example of how right their cause is, that will make me say, you go guys, fight for what you believe in.

If they instead come back and whine about it, like, how DARE they do this, or something like that? Then I'm going to say they are dumb because you don't stand in front of a car when it's coming down on you like that if you don't want to get injured.

The driver also should not have slammed into those people. vehicle safety is a two way street, both drivers and pedestrians need to follow the proper code of conduct and he clearly didn't. If the driver comes back and says they did wrong, like, REALLY comes out and says they did wrong, then good, you understand that you just fucked up big time. If they come back and have no sympathy for the people they hurt, then screw them.

The guy should have never brought the Truck over there in the first place. If he wanted them legally moved, he should have called for people to legally move them, not push them out of his way with his vehicle. There is no excuse for what he chose to do instead of handling it properly.

You're mad at them because they had the nerve to believe that the driver would not hurt them? That they believed this driver would not be so horrible as to run over them? That is what you are faulting them for? For thinking better of this person?

snip

You base the morality of whether its wrong or not to run people over on how they react to said running over? Hows that make any sense? They could be massive dickheads it still doesn't make running over them any less bad.

What? I gave all of you my separate opinion on the protestors and the driver. The driver clearly is in the wrong here. They saw those people, knew they were there and ran into them, that's on them, they fucked up big time when they decided to do that. With the protestors, I think it's dumb that once it was obvious that he was off-kilter that they continued to stand in front of the truck.

These are separate opinions. My opinion that the protestors should have moved does not mean I do not think that the driver is well and truly at fault here.

And I gave you my opinion on why I think you?re wrong. This is a forum, we do that here.